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Duckenfield not guilty.... 15:47 - Nov 28 with 11921 views

Hope BL is ok....

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:04 - Nov 28 with 6820 views

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Ridiculous. Where's the justice?

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:08 - Nov 28 with 6812 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:04 - Nov 28 by BackToRussia
Ridiculous. Where's the justice?

It's not as if it hasn't been thoroughly investigated though, is it? I haven't followed it too closely as I know some on here have - but at the end of the day the judicial system has made a decision based on the evidence at their disposal, and clearly have come to the conclusion that a guilty verdict was not possible without doubt.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:12 - Nov 28 with 6769 views

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AS ever with this, David Conn has more:

Ex Ch Supt David Duckenfield, found not guilty of manslaughter by a 9-1 majority of a jury at Preston crown court, has been hugged by his wife, who has been in the public seats supporting him constantly, through the trial and retrial.
— David Conn (@david_conn) November 28, 2019

The whole thread is worth reading but the last bit here stands out, nobody has been found liable for the 96 deaths.

After an inquests verdict that the 96 innocent, loved people were unlawfully killed, then a trial which resulted in a hung jury in April, David Duckenfield has been found not guilty of manslaughter. Nobody has been held liable in a criminal court for the deaths of the 96.
— David Conn (@david_conn) November 28, 2019

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:12 - Nov 28 with 6766 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:08 - Nov 28 by Fixed_It
It's not as if it hasn't been thoroughly investigated though, is it? I haven't followed it too closely as I know some on here have - but at the end of the day the judicial system has made a decision based on the evidence at their disposal, and clearly have come to the conclusion that a guilty verdict was not possible without doubt.

Well of course, he got his trial by jury, but if there's no convictions at all over Hillsborough it does seem to make a mockery of the law.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:13 - Nov 28 with 6754 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:08 - Nov 28 by Fixed_It
It's not as if it hasn't been thoroughly investigated though, is it? I haven't followed it too closely as I know some on here have - but at the end of the day the judicial system has made a decision based on the evidence at their disposal, and clearly have come to the conclusion that a guilty verdict was not possible without doubt.

I think it's really shocking. Having not been personally affected by the events I would not have been too concerned by sentencing, even suspension of a prison term, BUT... not guilty just seems seriously shocking to me.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:15 - Nov 28 with 6714 views

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so this is the end of it all now then? or will there be more to come

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:18 - Nov 28 with 6681 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:15 - Nov 28 by textbackup
so this is the end of it all now then? or will there be more to come

I'd imagine there will be plenty more to come.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:18 - Nov 28 with 6681 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:15 - Nov 28 by textbackup
so this is the end of it all now then? or will there be more to come

I think there are charges awaiting trial for the then secretary of SWFC and someone else who escapes me....

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:19 - Nov 28 with 6671 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:18 - Nov 28 by Reuser_is_God
I'd imagine there will be plenty more to come.

Another delay of justice, soon it will be too late

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:21 - Nov 28 with 6650 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:12 - Nov 28 by Steve_M

AS ever with this, David Conn has more:

Ex Ch Supt David Duckenfield, found not guilty of manslaughter by a 9-1 majority of a jury at Preston crown court, has been hugged by his wife, who has been in the public seats supporting him constantly, through the trial and retrial.
— David Conn (@david_conn) November 28, 2019

The whole thread is worth reading but the last bit here stands out, nobody has been found liable for the 96 deaths.

After an inquests verdict that the 96 innocent, loved people were unlawfully killed, then a trial which resulted in a hung jury in April, David Duckenfield has been found not guilty of manslaughter. Nobody has been held liable in a criminal court for the deaths of the 96.
— David Conn (@david_conn) November 28, 2019

Full piece here:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:25 - Nov 28 with 6623 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:21 - Nov 28 by Steve_M
Full piece here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left

Duckenfield effectively admitted his part in it under oath in the inquests of 2015, which returned a verdict of unlawful killing.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:27 - Nov 28 with 6622 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:21 - Nov 28 by Steve_M
Full piece here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left

So, because the jury can't know anything about the case, the same old lies from 30 years ago - drunken, ticketless fans etc, etc - can be allowed to sway their verdict. It's no wonder that the families will feel that this is a travesty of justice.

Duckenfield failed catastrophically in his job and lied about it for years afterwards. Regardless of this verdict we know the truth of that.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:28 - Nov 28 with 6590 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:27 - Nov 28 by Steve_M
So, because the jury can't know anything about the case, the same old lies from 30 years ago - drunken, ticketless fans etc, etc - can be allowed to sway their verdict. It's no wonder that the families will feel that this is a travesty of justice. Duckenfield failed catastrophically in his job and lied about it for years afterwards. Regardless of this verdict we know the truth of that.

Unbelievable.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:04 - Nov 28 by BackToRussia
Ridiculous. Where's the justice?

It died with the 96.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:35 - Nov 28 with 6542 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:18 - Nov 28 by Reuser_is_God
I'd imagine there will be plenty more to come.

Is there a right to appeal?

£65m of public money with no conviction.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:52 - Nov 28 with 6458 views

wkj

It certainly is disgraceful that no one is accountable for the preventable, though on the other hand I have to remain faithful to the legal process. What I assume happened in that jury's mind is there is so much evidence for that tragic and avoidable event but they don't feel the blame lies completely at the feet of Duckenfield. Obviously I was not part of the trial and thankfully not there on the day it happened, but over all I would say justice is far from done, and if the blame is not seen to be with Duckenfield, where exactly is it supposed to be? Certainly not with the victims, that is 1000% for certain.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:58 - Nov 28 with 6413 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:52 - Nov 28 by wkj

I guess we can only assume that it is no one person's fault by enough of an extent to convict, but a combination of individuals and companies both before and during 15th April 1989.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 17:04 - Nov 28 with 6379 views

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I know we have not heard all the evidence that was presented to the jury, but from the outside it is difficult to understand how this decision has been reached.

Duckenfield not guilty.... on 17:19 - Nov 28 with 6315 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 17:04 - Nov 28 by Basuco
I know we have not heard all the evidence that was presented to the jury, but from the outside it is difficult to understand how this decision has been reached.

interesting small insight on PM R4.

A Sgt on the day said DD should never have been given the job. DD had no experience for the role. The same game in the previous year had been run by an experienced police officer with no trouble.
The person responsible for safety was charged and found guilty.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:15 - Nov 28 by textbackup
so this is the end of it all now then? or will there be more to come

There will obviously never be any end to it for the families and friends of the 96 or anyone else directly involved but it looks like the "unlawful killing" verdict at Warrington is the best that they are going to get.

Thinking of you bluelagos.

Duckenfield not guilty.... on 17:39 - Nov 28 with 6235 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 16:58 - Nov 28 by ITFC_Forever
I guess we can only assume that it is no one person's fault by enough of an extent to convict, but a combination of individuals and companies both before and during 15th April 1989.

I think that is precisely the point. The dreadful combination of personal and corporate failings that lay behind the tragedy are too complex to unravel to the extent that clear, 'beyond reasonable doubt' guilt can be attributed to any one individual or organisation.

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 17:39 - Nov 28 by factual_blue
I think that is precisely the point. The dreadful combination of personal and corporate failings that lay behind the tragedy are too complex to unravel to the extent that clear, 'beyond reasonable doubt' guilt can be attributed to any one individual or organisation.

I think you're right there.
I forget but is this the 3rd court case for him, in the first two the jury couldnt reach agreement?

Duckenfield not guilty.... on 18:16 - Nov 28 with 6092 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 17:19 - Nov 28 by hampstead_blue
interesting small insight on PM R4. A Sgt on the day said DD should never have been given the job. DD had no experience for the role. The same game in the previous year had been run by an experienced police officer with no trouble. The person responsible for safety was charged and found guilty.

Yes, I remember that as well - wonder if the jury felt that it was DD's senior officer (or the person who picked DD for the role on the day) who should have been standing in the dock? I guess we'll never know.

Outcome just piles further distress upon the families - my sympathies to them and all others affected.


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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 18:29 - Nov 28 with 6044 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 17:19 - Nov 28 by hampstead_blue
interesting small insight on PM R4. A Sgt on the day said DD should never have been given the job. DD had no experience for the role. The same game in the previous year had been run by an experienced police officer with no trouble. The person responsible for safety was charged and found guilty.

It's hardly an insight. It's been a major factor since day one.

This isn't a bad starting point for anyone who isn't familiar:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5698100/

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 18:40 - Nov 28 with 6003 views

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Duckenfield not guilty.... on 18:29 - Nov 28 by jeera
It's hardly an insight. It's been a major factor since day one. This isn't a bad starting point for anyone who isn't familiar: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5698100/

I've not followed it so accept that it may be old news.
It was new to myself this evening and raised an eyebrow.

A couple of people have already stated my thoughts and that's that it must be wider and deeper than just one person in one moment.

Nothing can make it better.

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