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After reading the tragic story about the young Romford girl’s fatal stabbing followed by another teenager’s death in Manchester, just makes my blood boil. What are the feasible solutions? Something radical needs to be done in my opinion. What I don’t know?! It just appears you sadly read about this type of event most days now in this country. Just so little thought or value for someone else’s life.
What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:39 - Mar 5 by itfcjoe
It's surely a moving line, but the State has cut and cut and made things worse and worse and it will take at least a generation to repair
I agree that the cuts are bad and stupid. But what I hear on here and elsewhere seems to imply that cuts are basically irrelevant and that some/most of the people we refer to here would be knifing one another (the vast majority of the time it is one another) regardless.
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:48 - Mar 5 by chicoazul
I agree that the cuts are bad and stupid. But what I hear on here and elsewhere seems to imply that cuts are basically irrelevant and that some/most of the people we refer to here would be knifing one another (the vast majority of the time it is one another) regardless.
Wonder why loads of middle class, university educated young men aren't stabbing each other?
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:49 - Mar 5 by footers
Wonder why loads of middle class, university educated young men aren't stabbing each other?
they go to Sandhurst to do it.
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:48 - Mar 5 by chicoazul
I agree that the cuts are bad and stupid. But what I hear on here and elsewhere seems to imply that cuts are basically irrelevant and that some/most of the people we refer to here would be knifing one another (the vast majority of the time it is one another) regardless.
I personally don't think that is the case, I do think there is an element of fashionableness to it but the majority of people doing it are running drugs for big players in the game. The boys are totally expendable and the big guns are untouchable
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:28 - Mar 5 by Lord_Lucan
So over half don't re offend then.
More needs to be done to rehabilitate but because many re offend it doesn't mean you shouldn't bang people up.
We all know that there aren't enough police, we all know that social services and help groups are cut to the bone, I don't think that this is in question. Who should I blame for occasionally acting like a tit, should I blame Mother? my teachers? The police? "The man"? Or should I have just not acted like a tit?
One thing to steal a chicken if you're hungry, another to kill innocent people as some kind of trophy or a gang initiation. Everyone should have a degree of individual responsibility. There are reasons why people get into these situations but you cannot blame everything on the system. These kids have decided to take their path.
Over half don’t reoffend within the first year. It would be interesting to see stats for the first 10 years.
Young people attaching themselves to violent gangs is something that's been around for decades, if not centuries. Treating people carrying a knife now as some kind of new phenomenon is exactly the way of thinking which does nothing to deal with the root causes.
The common denominators are always: Poverty, abuse at home and a lack of education. This is quite widely evidenced. You just need to look at the proportion of people convicted for violent crimes that have experienced poverty growing up, have become detached from education or suffered abuse at a young age.
It's very easy to say we need more police, tougher sentences or they need to stop listening to rap music. Working on those common denominators above as priorities will lead to actual answers.
No, not at the moment
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 12:51 - Mar 5 with 4860 views
What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 12:49 - Mar 5 by ZedRodgers
Young people attaching themselves to violent gangs is something that's been around for decades, if not centuries. Treating people carrying a knife now as some kind of new phenomenon is exactly the way of thinking which does nothing to deal with the root causes.
The common denominators are always: Poverty, abuse at home and a lack of education. This is quite widely evidenced. You just need to look at the proportion of people convicted for violent crimes that have experienced poverty growing up, have become detached from education or suffered abuse at a young age.
It's very easy to say we need more police, tougher sentences or they need to stop listening to rap music. Working on those common denominators above as priorities will lead to actual answers.
Being of the older generation this is like being sent back to the 50's when knife crime was only one of the violent offences along with others like the razor & bicycle chain.
When I was at school, in Suffolk, most boys had a knife usually a pen knife given as a present by an uncle etc. some boys who big brothers were in the forces had flick knives or sheath knives. We all believed the 6" blade was allowable anything more not.
This attitude was overcome by a change in most ppeoples circumstances in the 60's better education and a more proactive police force that had a good attiude to young people.
This isn't a new problem just an old one resurfacing
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 13:55 - Mar 5 with 4785 views
What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:41 - Mar 3 by Lord_Lucan
Well we could either take a lilly livered approach and worry about upsetting the up-settables or we could crack right down and give instant custodials to people found with a knife on them.
The ineffective Mayor of London could maybe miss a few hob nobbing parties, stop worrying about banning all sorts of advertising on tubes and direct his attention to gang warfare.
An ex prosecutor was on the radio complaining abut the media obsession with London claiming the pproblmes are much worse in places like Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool & other provincial cities. The media is moving the goalposts - so to speak
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 13:56 - Mar 5 with 4783 views
What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:28 - Mar 5 by Benters2
It does if the sentence is long enough.
Build more prisons then.
Or ship the foreign prisoners back to where they came from.
It's easy to set the world right with populist nonsense when you don't have to worry about reality and facts. Feel free to post something to back up your assertions though.
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 13:37 - Mar 5 by m14_blue
'Or ship the foreign prisoners back to where they came from.'
Like Shamima Begum you mean?
I'm sure that is exactly what was meant.
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 13:56 - Mar 5 by SpruceMoose
It's easy to set the world right with populist nonsense when you don't have to worry about reality and facts. Feel free to post something to back up your assertions though.
Hun pm me anytime.
Then you can post it on the forum,it’s very fashionable you know.
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 14:09 - Mar 5 with 4763 views
What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 14:06 - Mar 5 by Benters2
Hun pm me anytime.
Then you can post it on the forum,it’s very fashionable you know.
Why? I'm quite happy to say whatever I feel like saying to you on here. I'm not some coward who won't say publicly what he thinks.
Now, stop swerving. Where's that evidence you were going to provide ?
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 14:37 - Mar 5 by eireblue
Ooooofffff.
Well that is a big blow.
But I imagine only wimps and cowards would shy away from responding.
He's welcome to PM me for private support. Reach out if you're reading this, hun xx
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What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 13:45 - Mar 5 by No9
Being of the older generation this is like being sent back to the 50's when knife crime was only one of the violent offences along with others like the razor & bicycle chain.
When I was at school, in Suffolk, most boys had a knife usually a pen knife given as a present by an uncle etc. some boys who big brothers were in the forces had flick knives or sheath knives. We all believed the 6" blade was allowable anything more not.
This attitude was overcome by a change in most ppeoples circumstances in the 60's better education and a more proactive police force that had a good attiude to young people.
This isn't a new problem just an old one resurfacing
Sorry No9 but the situation in Suffolk when you were at school is far removed from the situation now - and I would like to know more about the good attitude of the police back then, have you been watching re runs of Dixon of Dock Green?
If you read some of my other replies rather than just the one you have replied to you will observe that I have acknowledged there are larger issues and that a lack of police numbers and support groups haven't helped but the way this thread is going it will end up in no one but the powers that be taking the blame and the hard done by kids getting a pat on the back and a packet of boiled sweets.
It isn't just a few stabbings, it's wide scale control of estates, terrorising familes along with people older than you, theft, extortion, rape of young girls including other gang members, rape initiations etc, I don't need to go on.
Some people are just c*nts.
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