| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? 08:34 - Mar 3 with 27188 views | christiand |
After reading the tragic story about the young Romford girl’s fatal stabbing followed by another teenager’s death in Manchester, just makes my blood boil. What are the feasible solutions? Something radical needs to be done in my opinion. What I don’t know?! It just appears you sadly read about this type of event most days now in this country. Just so little thought or value for someone else’s life. [Post edited 3 Mar 2019 8:38]
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 11:20 - Mar 4 with 3001 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:51 - Mar 4 by Benters2 |
I know loads of single mothers,their children havent stabbed anybody yet?
Maybe its to do with fresh air?
Escape to the country people its the only way.
All this multicultral bolox isnt working. |
You're dead right there, apart fromthe move to the country bit. I'm a South Londoner and I've lived in Suffolk for over 20 years and I'm still viewed with suspicion as a "furriner" when I go into rural pubs and ask for a white wine spritzer - "Yu int from around 'ere are yuh buh?" |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 11:23 - Mar 4 with 2999 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 10:03 - Mar 4 by noggin |
Indeed. It also proves that knife crime is not unique to black men. |
I don't think anyone is suggesting it is but if you want to have a proper grown up conversation and look at tackling these stabbings and try to make some inroads then you need to accept that the current problem in England is significantly black men on black men.
I have heard about the Glasgow thing where knife crime was vastly reduced but I don't know hardly anything about it, only snippets I've read. If it worked to such a good extent then we should take a good look at it. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 11:23 - Mar 4 with 2999 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 18:03 - Mar 3 by Griller |
I have the immediate solutions which in my younger day were the norm. I fully appreciate that my views will not be acceptable by most but the question was asked. Discipline in relative terms does not exist. In the longer term the reintroduction of conscription would do much to alleviate the problem. In the short-term the reinstatement of the death penalty for premeditated murder would have an overnight effect. Well you did ask! |
I know, let's have referendums on capital punishment and the re-introduction of conscription, that worked well last time! | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 11:41 - Mar 4 with 2975 views | eireblue |
Peaky Blinders should probably banned, and Juliet Bravo brought back. |  | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 11:58 - Mar 4 with 2955 views | eireblue |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 11:23 - Mar 4 by Lord_Lucan |
I don't think anyone is suggesting it is but if you want to have a proper grown up conversation and look at tackling these stabbings and try to make some inroads then you need to accept that the current problem in England is significantly black men on black men.
I have heard about the Glasgow thing where knife crime was vastly reduced but I don't know hardly anything about it, only snippets I've read. If it worked to such a good extent then we should take a good look at it. |
That is of course the sensible approach.
Look at where crime has increased, the sort of things that lead to the rise, and the steps that were taken to reduce it, learn from it and then apply it.
One thing I would add, people don’t seem to be asking an obvious question, is the reason that there are many fatherless families within a defined environment, a common one with why there is so much youth crime.
Cause, effect, correlation, always good to be cognizant of all factors and relationships. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 12:06 - Mar 4 with 2945 views | eireblue |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:51 - Mar 4 by Benters2 |
I know loads of single mothers,their children havent stabbed anybody yet?
Maybe its to do with fresh air?
Escape to the country people its the only way.
All this multicultral bolox isnt working. |
Hmmm, does that last comment mean Great Bentley is going to lose the only Welsh in the Village? | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 12:12 - Mar 4 with 2930 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 11:58 - Mar 4 by eireblue |
That is of course the sensible approach.
Look at where crime has increased, the sort of things that lead to the rise, and the steps that were taken to reduce it, learn from it and then apply it.
One thing I would add, people don’t seem to be asking an obvious question, is the reason that there are many fatherless families within a defined environment, a common one with why there is so much youth crime.
Cause, effect, correlation, always good to be cognizant of all factors and relationships. |
It is something I mentioned was key a couple of pages back and GB mentioned it since.
If you side step issues then you have no chance of tackling them. Unfortunately it is convenient to sidestep issues and this has led to many of the problems we face in society. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 12:21 - Mar 4 with 2921 views | noggin |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 11:23 - Mar 4 by Lord_Lucan |
I don't think anyone is suggesting it is but if you want to have a proper grown up conversation and look at tackling these stabbings and try to make some inroads then you need to accept that the current problem in England is significantly black men on black men.
I have heard about the Glasgow thing where knife crime was vastly reduced but I don't know hardly anything about it, only snippets I've read. If it worked to such a good extent then we should take a good look at it. |
My point is, it seems to be related to inner city poverty and poor living conditions. In London that generally affects black communities. In Glasgow and Liverpool it can also affect large groups of white men. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 15:23 - Mar 4 with 2864 views | itfcjoe |
More money on the education system is absolutely key, helping kids along with associated things to do at youth clubs and the like - things to do and areas to hang about that don't cost money for them.
Plus more bobbies on the beat, you just don't see a police presence anywhere bar a football mach day any more. When you compare that to somewhere like NYC there feels like there is a police officer on every corner. Our frontline policing has been slashed constantly, it wasn't that long ago that everyone knew their local copper, and said copper knew where the issues were as they were always on the same patch and could help easier. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 05:14 - Mar 5 with 2773 views | Benters2 |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 12:21 - Mar 4 by noggin |
My point is, it seems to be related to inner city poverty and poor living conditions. In London that generally affects black communities. In Glasgow and Liverpool it can also affect large groups of white men. |
I bet you 5 English pounds that if you increased stop and search, and if anybody caught carrying a knife was banged up for a minimum of 5 years the problem would ease.
Trouble is we have gone too soft.You can’t search him you can’t search her,search all the gangs..
Just watching the news a Uni had a attempted attack yesterday by 5 pricks carrying knifes. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:17 - Mar 5 with 2752 views | footers |
Don't worry, guys and gals, May is doubling down on her bizarre assertion that swingeing ideoligical cuts to the police and youth services have no role to play in this.
Meanwhile, lack of doctors and nurses means people are living longer. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:19 - Mar 5 with 2749 views | noggin |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 05:14 - Mar 5 by Benters2 |
I bet you 5 English pounds that if you increased stop and search, and if anybody caught carrying a knife was banged up for a minimum of 5 years the problem would ease.
Trouble is we have gone too soft.You can’t search him you can’t search her,search all the gangs..
Just watching the news a Uni had a attempted attack yesterday by 5 pricks carrying knifes. |
Banging criminals up doesn’t work though, and even if it did, the prisons are full. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:28 - Mar 5 with 2733 views | Benters2 |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:19 - Mar 5 by noggin |
Banging criminals up doesn’t work though, and even if it did, the prisons are full. |
It does if the sentence is long enough.
Build more prisons then.
Or ship the foreign prisoners back to where they came from. | | | |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:31 - Mar 5 with 2732 views | footers |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:19 - Mar 5 by noggin |
Banging criminals up doesn’t work though, and even if it did, the prisons are full. |
Really? I think the best answer is to further ostracise and institutionalise these misguided young people. That would surely stop the problem. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:52 - Mar 5 with 2710 views | footers |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:28 - Mar 5 by Benters2 |
It does if the sentence is long enough.
Build more prisons then.
Or ship the foreign prisoners back to where they came from. |
So, against pretty much every educated opinion and evidence, you know better? Please post your evidence, Prof Bentley. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:11 - Mar 5 with 2687 views | Herbivore |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:52 - Mar 5 by footers |
So, against pretty much every educated opinion and evidence, you know better? Please post your evidence, Prof Bentley. |
He doesn't need evidence, it's common sense. Even though he's utterly wrong. |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:14 - Mar 5 with 2687 views | chicoazul |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 07:28 - Mar 5 by Benters2 |
It does if the sentence is long enough.
Build more prisons then.
Or ship the foreign prisoners back to where they came from. |
The trouble with this is nearly half of prisoners re-offend within a year of being released. So if prison is intended to "rehabilitate" then it doesnt work 46% of the time.
https://fullfact.org/crime/reoffending-short-sentences/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIk8aA9s |  |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:22 - Mar 5 with 2678 views | footers |
They wouldn't do that if you hanged them. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:28 - Mar 5 with 2669 views | Lord_Lucan |
So over half don't re offend then.
More needs to be done to rehabilitate but because many re offend it doesn't mean you shouldn't bang people up.
We all know that there aren't enough police, we all know that social services and help groups are cut to the bone, I don't think that this is in question. Who should I blame for occasionally acting like a tit, should I blame Mother? my teachers? The police? "The man"? Or should I have just not acted like a tit?
One thing to steal a chicken if you're hungry, another to kill innocent people as some kind of trophy or a gang initiation. Everyone should have a degree of individual responsibility. There are reasons why people get into these situations but you cannot blame everything on the system. These kids have decided to take their path. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:50 - Mar 5 with 2645 views | chicoazul |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:28 - Mar 5 by Lord_Lucan |
So over half don't re offend then.
More needs to be done to rehabilitate but because many re offend it doesn't mean you shouldn't bang people up.
We all know that there aren't enough police, we all know that social services and help groups are cut to the bone, I don't think that this is in question. Who should I blame for occasionally acting like a tit, should I blame Mother? my teachers? The police? "The man"? Or should I have just not acted like a tit?
One thing to steal a chicken if you're hungry, another to kill innocent people as some kind of trophy or a gang initiation. Everyone should have a degree of individual responsibility. There are reasons why people get into these situations but you cannot blame everything on the system. These kids have decided to take their path. |
I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't bang people up. I'm saying if the intention of prison is to rehabilitate and prevent further crimes on release then it doesnt work nearly half the time, and 60% of the time re; prisoners serving shorter sentences. So lock 'em up doesnt work if that is the intention.
And I completely agree about the need for individual responsibility too. The Family is the single greatest form of social security humanity has. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:56 - Mar 5 with 2640 views | itfcjoe |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:28 - Mar 5 by Lord_Lucan |
So over half don't re offend then.
More needs to be done to rehabilitate but because many re offend it doesn't mean you shouldn't bang people up.
We all know that there aren't enough police, we all know that social services and help groups are cut to the bone, I don't think that this is in question. Who should I blame for occasionally acting like a tit, should I blame Mother? my teachers? The police? "The man"? Or should I have just not acted like a tit?
One thing to steal a chicken if you're hungry, another to kill innocent people as some kind of trophy or a gang initiation. Everyone should have a degree of individual responsibility. There are reasons why people get into these situations but you cannot blame everything on the system. These kids have decided to take their path. |
Whilst I agree to an extent, a lot of times there is no other real choice than this path. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:24 - Mar 5 with 2617 views | Lord_Lucan |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:56 - Mar 5 by itfcjoe |
Whilst I agree to an extent, a lot of times there is no other real choice than this path. |
This isn't Syria or The West Bank Joe. | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:26 - Mar 5 with 2613 views | chicoazul |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 08:56 - Mar 5 by itfcjoe |
Whilst I agree to an extent, a lot of times there is no other real choice than this path. |
So again, where does the responsibility of the state end, and the responsibility of the individual begin? | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:31 - Mar 5 with 2610 views | itfcjoe |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:24 - Mar 5 by Lord_Lucan |
This isn't Syria or The West Bank Joe. |
Some of these areas are very deprived, gangs are everywhere - young boys are effectively groomed into going into them and there are very few real ways out in the big cities.
Also, it is one of the few ways of making decent money - when my Dad says about them I tell him and he agrees that he'd have likely been running round doing it as a kid in Nacton as was poor and was always trying to scheme to earn a bit of money - these big drug dealers play into this and the weakness and vulnerability of these kids | |
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| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:39 - Mar 5 with 2592 views | itfcjoe |
| What are the ‘genuine’ solutions to knife crime? on 09:26 - Mar 5 by chicoazul |
So again, where does the responsibility of the state end, and the responsibility of the individual begin? |
It's surely a moving line, but the State has cut and cut and made things worse and worse and it will take at least a generation to repair | |
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