| So prorogation was unlawful 10:45 - Sep 24 with 17495 views | noggin |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:58 - Sep 24 with 4390 views | sparks |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:21 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
OK. So it is their interpretation of the principle which we are talking about. That is for me the important thing; lawyers have decided this was wrong and unlawful, despite that no law was broken.
All I really think is what I often think; it's fine now because it is for a cause which the people celebrating the judgement are in favour of. But remember, if it can be done in favour of your righteous cause, it can be done in favour of other righteous causes too. |
You dont understand law
There are statutes with specific laws.
There is also the common law. Built by a body of precedents conventions and so on over centuries. The principles of judicial review are long and firmly established in uk law and the supreme court have geld on the basis of that law that boris acted unlawfully. NOT CRIMINALLY.
By analigy you wont find a specific law about general neglugence. Its a common law principle. |  |
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| Completely disingenuous on 13:03 - Sep 24 with 4376 views | Dyland |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:55 - Sep 24 by tabletopjoe |
This now means we are ruled by unelected lawyers, and not an elected executive. Dark days ahead. |
Assuming you're being serious, that is.
The ignorance and misinformation around is surreal. We are living in an actual satire. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:06 - Sep 24 with 4363 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:53 - Sep 24 by Guthrum |
Johnson could resign in favour of another Conservative (they are still the largest party), who might then be prepared to take a different tack - and perhaps manage things rather better.
PMQs do need notice to be given, to allow questions to be tabled and selected. |
The most annoying comment I have heard today was Ms Sourby saying a General Election will not solve anything . She couldose her seat for a start. [Post edited 24 Sep 2019 13:41]
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:08 - Sep 24 with 4349 views | lowhouseblue |
if i was johnson i'd turn up tomorrow and table the resolution for a general election again. let the people decide and all that. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:12 - Sep 24 with 4327 views | Bluefish |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:08 - Sep 24 by lowhouseblue |
if i was johnson i'd turn up tomorrow and table the resolution for a general election again. let the people decide and all that. |
Lib dems sweep to power brexit gets cancelled and we never hear from boris, corbyn or farage ever again. Sounds absolutely perfect. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:12 - Sep 24 with 4310 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:08 - Sep 24 by lowhouseblue |
if i was johnson i'd turn up tomorrow and table the resolution for a general election again. let the people decide and all that. |
If! |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:15 - Sep 24 with 4310 views | giant_stow |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:55 - Sep 24 by tabletopjoe |
This now means we are ruled by unelected lawyers, and not an elected executive. Dark days ahead. |
silly sausage. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:15 - Sep 24 with 4314 views | Ftnfwest |
Has to be a GE, there won't be time now to even make a pretence of negotiation/a deal etc so end of October is dead in the water |  | | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:18 - Sep 24 with 4289 views | crunchie1978 |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:12 - Sep 24 by Bluefish |
Lib dems sweep to power brexit gets cancelled and we never hear from boris, corbyn or farage ever again. Sounds absolutely perfect. |
Is that after you've walked through the back of the wardrobe?
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| Completely disingenuous on 13:18 - Sep 24 with 4291 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Completely disingenuous on 13:03 - Sep 24 by Dyland |
Assuming you're being serious, that is.
The ignorance and misinformation around is surreal. We are living in an actual satire. |
It must be a nightmare being a satirist for a living; all their material has been stolen. We're living through some of the most surreal sh*t these days. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:20 - Sep 24 with 4276 views | lowhouseblue |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:12 - Sep 24 by Bluefish |
Lib dems sweep to power brexit gets cancelled and we never hear from boris, corbyn or farage ever again. Sounds absolutely perfect. |
lib dems sweep to power. I see what you did there. | |
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| What on earth are you talking about? on 13:26 - Sep 24 with 4257 views | baxterbasics |
| What on earth are you talking about? on 12:15 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
Yeah but I ask again; what law was broken? I've read the summary Guthers put up, and it don't say. |
It's more like the SC has defined a law on the hoof - in that there needs to be sufficient justification given for a Porogation of Parliament, and in this case that test was failed.
They didn't specifically address whether or not Boris lied to HRH. Nor could they, as the conversation was private. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:26 - Sep 24 with 4254 views | itfc_bucks |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:55 - Sep 24 by tabletopjoe |
This now means we are ruled by unelected lawyers, and not an elected executive. Dark days ahead. |
Against stiff competition, this has to rank as one of the most moronic posts today.
Congratulations. | | | |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:28 - Sep 24 with 4248 views | itfc_bucks |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:08 - Sep 24 by lowhouseblue |
if i was johnson i'd turn up tomorrow and table the resolution for a general election again. let the people decide and all that. |
Yes, but a GE is fought on a multitude of factors, on a constituency basis.
My vote for anyone other than the Tories is pointless.
A referendum, however... | | | |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:28 - Sep 24 with 4241 views | jeera |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:26 - Sep 24 by itfc_bucks |
Against stiff competition, this has to rank as one of the most moronic posts today.
Congratulations. |
I dunno.
I think he's posted stuff on other threads too. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:29 - Sep 24 with 4238 views | SpruceMoose |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:55 - Sep 24 by tabletopjoe |
This now means we are ruled by unelected lawyers, and not an elected executive. Dark days ahead. |
Lol |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:31 - Sep 24 with 4227 views | chicoazul |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:58 - Sep 24 by sparks |
You dont understand law
There are statutes with specific laws.
There is also the common law. Built by a body of precedents conventions and so on over centuries. The principles of judicial review are long and firmly established in uk law and the supreme court have geld on the basis of that law that boris acted unlawfully. NOT CRIMINALLY.
By analigy you wont find a specific law about general neglugence. Its a common law principle. |
I asked what law has been broken, as I couldnt see it in the summary Guthers posted. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:33 - Sep 24 with 4216 views | Andrew4445 |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:21 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
OK. So it is their interpretation of the principle which we are talking about. That is for me the important thing; lawyers have decided this was wrong and unlawful, despite that no law was broken.
All I really think is what I often think; it's fine now because it is for a cause which the people celebrating the judgement are in favour of. But remember, if it can be done in favour of your righteous cause, it can be done in favour of other righteous causes too. |
This is the constitution working, all the Judiciary have done is ruled that the Executive cannot remove the Legislature just because they don't like what it is doing. Our constitution is a balance of the three branches of state - Judiciary, Legislature and Executive and for our country to work in a lawful way all three must be respected and must each have their say and sphere of influence.
This merely brings the third back into play, as it should be. This decision is important in stopping, now or in the future, a leader of a government ever sweeping away the representative democracy. That can only be a good thing and would till be a good thing if a minority government were seeking to force the country down any course of action. | | | |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:36 - Sep 24 with 4213 views | jeera |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:31 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
I asked what law has been broken, as I couldnt see it in the summary Guthers posted. |
It's simply not what 'unlawful' means.
You do know all this, you're being difficult for the sake of it.
There may not be a specific law under which an action is considered a criminal activity; i.e. an unlawful killing is not necessarily murder, but nonetheless has not occurred within legal boundaries either. | |
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| What on earth are you talking about? on 13:47 - Sep 24 with 4180 views | sparks |
| What on earth are you talking about? on 13:26 - Sep 24 by baxterbasics |
It's more like the SC has defined a law on the hoof - in that there needs to be sufficient justification given for a Porogation of Parliament, and in this case that test was failed.
They didn't specifically address whether or not Boris lied to HRH. Nor could they, as the conversation was private. |
Not really. The principles of judicial review are detailed and long established. They have simply been applied to the facts.
Its the same way the court would apply principles of breach if duty to an accident irrespective of whether a specific law existed to deal with that particular set of circumstances. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:51 - Sep 24 with 4162 views | StokieBlue |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:55 - Sep 24 by tabletopjoe |
This now means we are ruled by unelected lawyers, and not an elected executive. Dark days ahead. |
You got and implemented your instructions from Boris quickly!
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:52 - Sep 24 with 4157 views | Guthrum |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:08 - Sep 24 by lowhouseblue |
if i was johnson i'd turn up tomorrow and table the resolution for a general election again. let the people decide and all that. |
And he'd get turned down again. The opposition parties have repeatedly said they won't vote for an election until an extension has been secured. They don't trust Johnson (with this judgement only reinforcing that). |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:53 - Sep 24 with 4155 views | SpruceMoose |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:51 - Sep 24 by StokieBlue |
You got and implemented your instructions from Boris quickly!
SB |
Well it's nearly 9am, I'm sure Boris is now waking up and not brushing his hair. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:58 - Sep 24 with 4141 views | chicoazul |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 13:36 - Sep 24 by jeera |
It's simply not what 'unlawful' means.
You do know all this, you're being difficult for the sake of it.
There may not be a specific law under which an action is considered a criminal activity; i.e. an unlawful killing is not necessarily murder, but nonetheless has not occurred within legal boundaries either. |
you give me far too much credit! I simply didnt know. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 14:02 - Sep 24 with 4134 views | BlueNomad |
The irony of Brexiteers going on BBC News website demanding the matter now be taken to the European Court of Justice........ |  | | |
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