| So prorogation was unlawful 10:45 - Sep 24 with 17488 views | noggin |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:40 - Sep 24 with 1203 views | flimflam |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:38 - Sep 24 by BackToRussia |
Hi there flimflam. Surprised? |
At today's ruling? Nothing surprises me anymore but I do think this has opened a massive can of worms for the future.
Scary times my friend. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:42 - Sep 24 with 1197 views | GlasgowBlue |
Once again humour wins the day
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:43 - Sep 24 with 1172 views | BlueBadger |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:37 - Sep 24 by flimflam |
What law was actually broken?
Asking a genuine question as I do not know. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261
"The effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme."
She added: "The decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification." |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:44 - Sep 24 with 1180 views | Guthrum |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:37 - Sep 24 by flimflam |
What law was actually broken?
Asking a genuine question as I do not know. |
Johnson was not operating within the limits of the accepted framework when he advised the Queen to prorogue Parliament, namely that his real reasons were to stifle debate and prevent scrutiny of the executive.
Worth reading the summary of the judgement: https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2019-0192-summary.pdf |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:45 - Sep 24 with 1172 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:44 - Sep 24 by Guthrum |
Johnson was not operating within the limits of the accepted framework when he advised the Queen to prorogue Parliament, namely that his real reasons were to stifle debate and prevent scrutiny of the executive.
Worth reading the summary of the judgement: https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2019-0192-summary.pdf |
Could this mean that the 21 rebels are entitled to have the hip restored as they only voted against the government because of the perogation? | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:47 - Sep 24 with 1150 views | BlueBadger |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:45 - Sep 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Could this mean that the 21 rebels are entitled to have the hip restored as they only voted against the government because of the perogation? |
I think removing a major bone is a bit much for that kind of behaviour, really. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:48 - Sep 24 with 1143 views | BlueBadger |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:27 - Sep 24 by noggin |
There already is a “grown up deal” |
Is it 'don't leave in the first place, you morons?' | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:49 - Sep 24 with 1144 views | Guthrum |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:35 - Sep 24 by flimflam |
If BJ goes it alone they will be wiped out as the votes will be split between him and NF.
Work with NF and we will see a coalition of Tory and Brexit Party. |
However, Farage has demanded a pledge to go for No Deal and 80-90 seats as the price of cooperation. That's far too high a price for Johnson to pay and is likely to result in more defections and losing seats* in an election (remember, only a portion even of Brexiteers are actively in favour of No Deal).
* The seats he needs to stand a chance of gaining a majority. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:49 - Sep 24 with 1141 views | chicoazul |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:33 - Sep 24 by Steve_M |
Well, when that politician is trying to govern without Parliament, that would be entirely in keeping with the way a parliamentary democracy should work. |
I don't think I disagree. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:51 - Sep 24 with 1137 views | footers |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:47 - Sep 24 by BlueBadger |
I think removing a major bone is a bit much for that kind of behaviour, really. |
Peter Bone's had a hip replacement? |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:51 - Sep 24 with 1138 views | Guthrum |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:29 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
Interesting that courts can tell elected politicians what to do. |
Yes, they can. Once the laws are made, the government is as subject to them as the rest of us. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:51 - Sep 24 with 1135 views | chicoazul |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:35 - Sep 24 by StokieBlue |
Politicians are elected to work within the legal framework of the country. If they don't then the courts should of course stop them.
Otherwise what is stopping an elected politician doing whatever they want? Furthermore what is the point of having a legal framework?
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As I say, I dont think i disagree, but a precedent has now been set, and we don't have a written constitution really in this country apart from the Bill of Rights (and long may it stay that way). So it may be this judgement is referred to in future for different goals. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:55 - Sep 24 with 1114 views | Guthrum |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:51 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
As I say, I dont think i disagree, but a precedent has now been set, and we don't have a written constitution really in this country apart from the Bill of Rights (and long may it stay that way). So it may be this judgement is referred to in future for different goals. |
Indeed. It will (hopefully) prevent prorogation being used as a procedural weapon to suppress the legislature in the future.
Pretty much in line with the way our constitution has always developed over the centuries. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:55 - Sep 24 with 1113 views | chicoazul |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:51 - Sep 24 by Guthrum |
Yes, they can. Once the laws are made, the government is as subject to them as the rest of us. |
Correct of course. I just find it very interesting, and I believe this judgement will be referred to again and again. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:55 - Sep 24 with 1108 views | flimflam |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:43 - Sep 24 by BlueBadger |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261
"The effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme."
She added: "The decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification." |
Guess the next step is a drawn out appeal that goes beyond the 31st October. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:56 - Sep 24 with 1095 views | BlueBadger |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:22 - Sep 24 by brazil1982 |
What law has been broken? |
The law as it applies to suspension of parliament. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:59 - Sep 24 with 1089 views | SpruceMoose |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:55 - Sep 24 by flimflam |
Guess the next step is a drawn out appeal that goes beyond the 31st October. |
But what about The Last Baron's Big Brexity Bash Out he was gleefully planning? I think he's already gone and ordered his 'Own The Libs' banner and everything. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:00 - Sep 24 with 1090 views | sparks |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:51 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
As I say, I dont think i disagree, but a precedent has now been set, and we don't have a written constitution really in this country apart from the Bill of Rights (and long may it stay that way). So it may be this judgement is referred to in future for different goals. |
Extraordinary abd disgraceful if he is not gone by tea time. Even 5 years ago the thought if any politician hanging on in such circumstances would have been fanciful. Principles of integrity and responsibility have been eroded and most politicians are to blame for that. Trump has set an example and we have not opposed it with enough sincerity and robustness.
The things which made our parluament work properly are in danger of disappearing. |  |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:01 - Sep 24 with 1083 views | sparks |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:55 - Sep 24 by flimflam |
Guess the next step is a drawn out appeal that goes beyond the 31st October. |
Not from the Supreme Court... | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:01 - Sep 24 with 1078 views | Guthrum |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:45 - Sep 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Could this mean that the 21 rebels are entitled to have the hip restored as they only voted against the government because of the perogation? |
Not really, as they voted against the Govt in a matter of confidence (the A50 extension bill). | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:02 - Sep 24 with 1079 views | chicoazul |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:44 - Sep 24 by Guthrum |
Johnson was not operating within the limits of the accepted framework when he advised the Queen to prorogue Parliament, namely that his real reasons were to stifle debate and prevent scrutiny of the executive.
Worth reading the summary of the judgement: https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2019-0192-summary.pdf |
I have read this now.
Am I right in saying they do NOT state what law has been broken? just that prorogation was unlawful? Or am I missing something, as so often. | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:02 - Sep 24 with 1077 views | flimflam |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:44 - Sep 24 by Guthrum |
Johnson was not operating within the limits of the accepted framework when he advised the Queen to prorogue Parliament, namely that his real reasons were to stifle debate and prevent scrutiny of the executive.
Worth reading the summary of the judgement: https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2019-0192-summary.pdf |
I'm not a legal bod far from it but usually in court you are charged under law x or section y.
They have just said it was unlawful? Unlawful under what? Or have they created a new law for this case? | |
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| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:03 - Sep 24 with 1071 views | chicoazul |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:01 - Sep 24 by sparks |
Not from the Supreme Court... |
Could they take it to the European Court of Justice? | |
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| Oh ffs Chickers you clown (n/t) on 12:04 - Sep 24 with 1072 views | Dyland |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 11:29 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
Interesting that courts can tell elected politicians what to do. |
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| I think Bojo should deffo do that on 12:05 - Sep 24 with 1057 views | Dyland |
| So prorogation was unlawful on 12:03 - Sep 24 by chicoazul |
Could they take it to the European Court of Justice? |
That would be quite delicious :) | |
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