| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? 17:39 - Jan 10 with 33423 views | amy73 |
There will always be pressures and individual problems but, in general, the NHS seems to be in much better hands under the Tories. It’s never treated so many people so efficiently.
I think Labour are playing a dangerous game here by running it down. |  | | |  |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:43 - Jan 10 with 4045 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 17:43 - Jan 10 by GlasgowBlue |
FFS. You are to the Tories what Archer and No9 are to Labour. |
Only just noticed the avatar Glassers.........an act of homage ? Cheers old chap. |  |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:45 - Jan 10 with 4039 views | Taricco_Fan |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:39 - Jan 10 by BergholtBru |
Are Labour actually taken seriously anymore? Stuff the down votes!!! |
They haven't had my vote for some time and will unlikely ever get my vote again.
I find the current crop on the opposition benches particularly disgusting. Corbyn is a terrorist-sympathiser, McDonnell is a Marxist, Abbott is clueless. I'm amazed they polled so high at the last election. |  | | |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:46 - Jan 10 with 4038 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:32 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Let's not forget that Labour had 13 years to get the NHS into better shape and failed to do so. The Tories have had ample time over the years to privatise it...and haven't. It's not a black-and-white Labour=good, Tories=bad issue.
Labour use the NHS as a political football. Always have done.
The elephant in the room is immigration, which is putting huge stress on the NHS. It's not just an ageing population to blame, the NHS is being abused by health tourists. Easy problem to solve if the political will is there.
Then you have the issue of chronic waste in the NHS, paying well over the odds for basic medicines and provisions. Also the layers and layers of management, admin, 'diversity officers' and whatnot costing the service a fortune.
Basically I believe there are ways the NHS can at least attempt to get its house in order before more and more money is thrown at it (something which hasn't worked thus far).
Cue: the down votes. |
I don’t think you can disagree with any of those things necessarily. I would imagine that procurement of supplies is extremely mis managed (much like the armed forces) and I would guess the management layers are too fat. |  |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:51 - Jan 10 with 4029 views | BergholtBru |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:45 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
They haven't had my vote for some time and will unlikely ever get my vote again.
I find the current crop on the opposition benches particularly disgusting. Corbyn is a terrorist-sympathiser, McDonnell is a Marxist, Abbott is clueless. I'm amazed they polled so high at the last election. |
Mainly due to ( somewhat understandable ) disenchantment with the Tories. The younger generation, who are mainly educated ( if that is the word ) by Marxist nutjobs need to be given lessons on what makes the world go round. |  |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:57 - Jan 10 with 4032 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:13 - Jan 10 by Lord_Lucan |
My mates 90 odd year old Mum went for an eye examination in Harlow hospital today. They have two machines and both are bust. One was already bust and the other must have bust last night or this morning. Apparently it is £5k per machine to fix and they can’t afford it. My mate asked why they haven’t got a service contract only to be told they couldn’t afford it.
I think they wheeled out a 30 year old machine in the end. Mateys Mum has got severe dementia and has been a big battleaxe since she was middle aged. Just spoke to matey and he’s worn out.
This government is in charge of a broken NHS - quite literally. Labour historically has done no better and I can’t see them doing any better now - given the chance.
No one wants to mention the unmentionable. |
The ward that I recently ended up on via A&E was primarily a fracture/fragility clinic mostly dealing in broken hips. Clearly the majority were very elderly, furthermore those with dementia are 40% more likely to fall and suffer a break. You can only imagine the efforts staff had to put in to post op patients to get them to overcome fear and discomfort to take a few steps and make their discharge a possibility.
On a more mundane but emminently solvable front there were clearly shortages of basic kit due to funding shortfalls and fragile global supply chains. (Eg antibiotics from China) | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:57 - Jan 10 with 4034 views | Trequartista |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:32 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Let's not forget that Labour had 13 years to get the NHS into better shape and failed to do so. The Tories have had ample time over the years to privatise it...and haven't. It's not a black-and-white Labour=good, Tories=bad issue.
Labour use the NHS as a political football. Always have done.
The elephant in the room is immigration, which is putting huge stress on the NHS. It's not just an ageing population to blame, the NHS is being abused by health tourists. Easy problem to solve if the political will is there.
Then you have the issue of chronic waste in the NHS, paying well over the odds for basic medicines and provisions. Also the layers and layers of management, admin, 'diversity officers' and whatnot costing the service a fortune.
Basically I believe there are ways the NHS can at least attempt to get its house in order before more and more money is thrown at it (something which hasn't worked thus far).
Cue: the down votes. |
They did get it better shape. They got the a & e wait times right down, now they've gone back up again. |  |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:59 - Jan 10 with 4030 views | Taricco_Fan |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:51 - Jan 10 by BergholtBru |
Mainly due to ( somewhat understandable ) disenchantment with the Tories. The younger generation, who are mainly educated ( if that is the word ) by Marxist nutjobs need to be given lessons on what makes the world go round. |
Oh, the Tories aren't much better. Another talentless bunch with a few exceptions. Theresa May is a statist, not a proper Conservative, so I wouldn't say the Tories are poles apart from traditional Labour. It's just Labour have taken a lurch to the hard left.
But you're right, our education system (as with most institutions) has been over-run by lefties. Once students grow up, get a job, mortgage, kids, pension...then they (should) realise why socialist policies are a bad idea. | | | |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:02 - Jan 10 with 4025 views | Taricco_Fan |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:57 - Jan 10 by Trequartista |
They did get it better shape. They got the a & e wait times right down, now they've gone back up again. |
Labour's PFI contracts under Gordon Brown are the reason the NHS is so burdened by debt today. Whatever Labour may have achieved regarding the NHS in the Blair-Brown years came at a very heavy price that is crippling the service today and will do for generations. | | | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:09 - Jan 10 with 4011 views | Trequartista |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:02 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Labour's PFI contracts under Gordon Brown are the reason the NHS is so burdened by debt today. Whatever Labour may have achieved regarding the NHS in the Blair-Brown years came at a very heavy price that is crippling the service today and will do for generations. |
Sounds like a variation on a theme about them bankrupting the country when there was a global recession, I don't buy it. | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:09 - Jan 10 with 4012 views | monytowbray |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:00 - Jan 10 by Pinewoodblue |
The NHS is administratively a shambles. The purchasing policy needs a complete overhaul, they are wasting tens of millions. So much money wasted by paying over the odds for supplies, from the smallest items costing pence to larger items costing six figures.
American friends who have enjoyed treatment on the NHS think it is wonderful. In the last twelve months two friends have been into A&E (London & Liverpool) offered to pay for the treatment they received, neither works in the UK, and been told it is on us no charge.
One even had CT and MRI scans.
A friend suggested this week that the real reason for the postponement of routine operations had more to do with staff being encouraged not to take leave, and the need to get holidays in before the end of the financial year.( This may be fake news as haven't seen it suggested in the press)
Personally have had too much contact with NHS & Social Services in the past twelve months and have been astounded by some of the things I have experienced,seen or heard. |
The NHS certainly needs to be more competitive with buying and sourcing, but that doesn’t change the fact it has been underfunded since the Tories got in. |  |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:10 - Jan 10 with 4009 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:14 - Jan 10 by gerard1947 |
I agree. My Wife's mum is 98, she has dementia, recognises no one or thing, cannot move anything except one arm, is turned every 2 hours to prevent bedsores, cannot feed herself and is doubly incontinent. She pays £1000+ per week, so far she has paid well over £200,000 in care fees. We don't have a problem with her paying, it's her money, we want the best care that's available for her.
Anyone that cannot pay quite correctly have their fees paid by the local authority. The local authority however pays less than £500 per week which is below the actual cost of caring for someone with complex needs. As a result more and more homes are refusing to take local authority funded patients. They'd rather have empty rooms than loss making ones. As a result an increasing number of elderly patients cannot be discharged from hospital because no carehome beds can be found for them. |
Your figure of £1000+ is very similar to the £1200/week one of Mrs Slave's gardening customer's partner is having to pay for care. The figure I have more trouble finding is the proportion of this that is profit. The majority of the population would struggle to cover even one week's cost and this to me illustrates the total disconnect from a sustainable reality that life has become. Life is full of cognotive dissonance. Are these fees all connected to trying to get at the perceived wealth held in Alice in Wonderland property values as they clearly have no connection to £8.50/hr wages ? | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:12 - Jan 10 with 4008 views | solemio |
If from a very young age everyone ate and drank sensibly and took a good amount of exercise the NHS would be very adequately funded.
It is of course a far more complex issue than this bald statement makes it appear. I am particularly aware of this having this evening attended a lecture by leading cardiologist and researcher Prof John Deanfield. However it is not an untrue statement. | | | |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:13 - Jan 10 with 4006 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:32 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Let's not forget that Labour had 13 years to get the NHS into better shape and failed to do so. The Tories have had ample time over the years to privatise it...and haven't. It's not a black-and-white Labour=good, Tories=bad issue.
Labour use the NHS as a political football. Always have done.
The elephant in the room is immigration, which is putting huge stress on the NHS. It's not just an ageing population to blame, the NHS is being abused by health tourists. Easy problem to solve if the political will is there.
Then you have the issue of chronic waste in the NHS, paying well over the odds for basic medicines and provisions. Also the layers and layers of management, admin, 'diversity officers' and whatnot costing the service a fortune.
Basically I believe there are ways the NHS can at least attempt to get its house in order before more and more money is thrown at it (something which hasn't worked thus far).
Cue: the down votes. |
That's not true though (or at least misleading). Labour drastically reduced waiting times in A&E, median waiting times for all procedures, ambulance response times and pretty much eradicated waiting times of over a year.
They've been rising steeply since 2010 and targets have been lowered.
The NHS may have had it's problems under Labour, but by all the metrics I've seen it delivered a poorer service prior to Labour's last government and has been again since.
And the people working in it are knackered and really fked off, apparently.
It's a mess. [Post edited 10 Jan 2018 22:55]
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:14 - Jan 10 with 4003 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:32 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Let's not forget that Labour had 13 years to get the NHS into better shape and failed to do so. The Tories have had ample time over the years to privatise it...and haven't. It's not a black-and-white Labour=good, Tories=bad issue.
Labour use the NHS as a political football. Always have done.
The elephant in the room is immigration, which is putting huge stress on the NHS. It's not just an ageing population to blame, the NHS is being abused by health tourists. Easy problem to solve if the political will is there.
Then you have the issue of chronic waste in the NHS, paying well over the odds for basic medicines and provisions. Also the layers and layers of management, admin, 'diversity officers' and whatnot costing the service a fortune.
Basically I believe there are ways the NHS can at least attempt to get its house in order before more and more money is thrown at it (something which hasn't worked thus far).
Cue: the down votes. |
Would love to give you a down vote but you cunningly slipped in the nonsense about elephants in amongst some bits that make sense! | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:15 - Jan 10 with 4007 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:32 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Let's not forget that Labour had 13 years to get the NHS into better shape and failed to do so. The Tories have had ample time over the years to privatise it...and haven't. It's not a black-and-white Labour=good, Tories=bad issue.
Labour use the NHS as a political football. Always have done.
The elephant in the room is immigration, which is putting huge stress on the NHS. It's not just an ageing population to blame, the NHS is being abused by health tourists. Easy problem to solve if the political will is there.
Then you have the issue of chronic waste in the NHS, paying well over the odds for basic medicines and provisions. Also the layers and layers of management, admin, 'diversity officers' and whatnot costing the service a fortune.
Basically I believe there are ways the NHS can at least attempt to get its house in order before more and more money is thrown at it (something which hasn't worked thus far).
Cue: the down votes. |
Want to hazard a guess of what % of the NHS budget is estimated to be lost to Health Tourists? |  |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:20 - Jan 10 with 3999 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:59 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Oh, the Tories aren't much better. Another talentless bunch with a few exceptions. Theresa May is a statist, not a proper Conservative, so I wouldn't say the Tories are poles apart from traditional Labour. It's just Labour have taken a lurch to the hard left.
But you're right, our education system (as with most institutions) has been over-run by lefties. Once students grow up, get a job, mortgage, kids, pension...then they (should) realise why socialist policies are a bad idea. |
.........but you used to vote Labour......ok !
Edit....current lot too Left, Blair/Brown too right (pfi)......so you're Jim Callaghan Labour maybe ? Wilson? [Post edited 10 Jan 2018 22:25]
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:20 - Jan 10 with 3999 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:57 - Jan 10 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The ward that I recently ended up on via A&E was primarily a fracture/fragility clinic mostly dealing in broken hips. Clearly the majority were very elderly, furthermore those with dementia are 40% more likely to fall and suffer a break. You can only imagine the efforts staff had to put in to post op patients to get them to overcome fear and discomfort to take a few steps and make their discharge a possibility.
On a more mundane but emminently solvable front there were clearly shortages of basic kit due to funding shortfalls and fragile global supply chains. (Eg antibiotics from China) |
People living longer is a very understated problem, it is much more of a burden than immigration, and without immigration the NHS would be officially dead.
My grandad drunk and smoke all his life like a madman and he died early because of it - he also paid a lot of tax in his life due to his lifestyle. My Nan never smoked or drank, lived till nearly 100 and spent the last 10 years of her life bed bound in a government paid for room in a residential home.
Go figure. | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:20 - Jan 10 with 3999 views | monytowbray |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:59 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Oh, the Tories aren't much better. Another talentless bunch with a few exceptions. Theresa May is a statist, not a proper Conservative, so I wouldn't say the Tories are poles apart from traditional Labour. It's just Labour have taken a lurch to the hard left.
But you're right, our education system (as with most institutions) has been over-run by lefties. Once students grow up, get a job, mortgage, kids, pension...then they (should) realise why socialist policies are a bad idea. |
Has it ever occured to you the reason younger people may be lefties is because the list of everything you just ticked off as a rite of passage were considerably more attainable when you were younger?
I’m 30, I earn good money, but it took me 3 years after leaving uni to land a job that paid more than minimum wage with any decent prospects. My chances of owning a home are non-existent unless I starve on beans and do utterly nothing with my spare time for 3-5 years. Pensions? Don’t be mad! I’ll be working until I’m dead if I make it beyond 65.
The world won’t go round the way it is with 1% of people owning 90% of the wealth. All we want is a fairer society and to live in a world where hard work actually pays. | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:29 - Jan 10 with 3992 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:15 - Jan 10 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Want to hazard a guess of what % of the NHS budget is estimated to be lost to Health Tourists? |
I guessed 0.5% and then looked and saw it's actually 0.3%.
Interestingly it's stayed the same over the last 6 years, despite *29 million extra Bulgarians and Romanians queueing up to come and rip us off.
*Daily Mail figures | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:48 - Jan 10 with 3973 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:20 - Jan 10 by monytowbray |
Has it ever occured to you the reason younger people may be lefties is because the list of everything you just ticked off as a rite of passage were considerably more attainable when you were younger?
I’m 30, I earn good money, but it took me 3 years after leaving uni to land a job that paid more than minimum wage with any decent prospects. My chances of owning a home are non-existent unless I starve on beans and do utterly nothing with my spare time for 3-5 years. Pensions? Don’t be mad! I’ll be working until I’m dead if I make it beyond 65.
The world won’t go round the way it is with 1% of people owning 90% of the wealth. All we want is a fairer society and to live in a world where hard work actually pays. |
Have you looked at the age of those you would like to see run the Country.? |  |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:52 - Jan 10 with 3969 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:20 - Jan 10 by monytowbray |
Has it ever occured to you the reason younger people may be lefties is because the list of everything you just ticked off as a rite of passage were considerably more attainable when you were younger?
I’m 30, I earn good money, but it took me 3 years after leaving uni to land a job that paid more than minimum wage with any decent prospects. My chances of owning a home are non-existent unless I starve on beans and do utterly nothing with my spare time for 3-5 years. Pensions? Don’t be mad! I’ll be working until I’m dead if I make it beyond 65.
The world won’t go round the way it is with 1% of people owning 90% of the wealth. All we want is a fairer society and to live in a world where hard work actually pays. |
Don't be such a snowflake ......there's no chance of a pension until you're at least 75 !  | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:55 - Jan 10 with 3966 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 21:59 - Jan 10 by Taricco_Fan |
Oh, the Tories aren't much better. Another talentless bunch with a few exceptions. Theresa May is a statist, not a proper Conservative, so I wouldn't say the Tories are poles apart from traditional Labour. It's just Labour have taken a lurch to the hard left.
But you're right, our education system (as with most institutions) has been over-run by lefties. Once students grow up, get a job, mortgage, kids, pension...then they (should) realise why socialist policies are a bad idea. |
I wouldn’t say Labour have lurched to the left, all they have done is gone back to where they once were.
I don’t like Blair for many reasons but he was a seriously skilled man and during his tenure the country was pumping while the cons were wheeling out a load of losers. Although to be honest Blair was a conservative, it was basically a conservative government in disguise, they even changed the name to New Labour.
Blairs biggest problem was his stupid American counterpart who turned him into a Christian Fundamentalist.
What’s John Major doing now? He was very much the underestimated man. | |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 23:06 - Jan 10 with 3955 views | jaykay |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:55 - Jan 10 by Lord_Lucan |
I wouldn’t say Labour have lurched to the left, all they have done is gone back to where they once were.
I don’t like Blair for many reasons but he was a seriously skilled man and during his tenure the country was pumping while the cons were wheeling out a load of losers. Although to be honest Blair was a conservative, it was basically a conservative government in disguise, they even changed the name to New Labour.
Blairs biggest problem was his stupid American counterpart who turned him into a Christian Fundamentalist.
What’s John Major doing now? He was very much the underestimated man. |
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| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 00:10 - Jan 11 with 3940 views | amy73 |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:29 - Jan 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I guessed 0.5% and then looked and saw it's actually 0.3%.
Interestingly it's stayed the same over the last 6 years, despite *29 million extra Bulgarians and Romanians queueing up to come and rip us off.
*Daily Mail figures |
I guess it depends what you class as a health tourist. I assume the aforementioned Romanians are not classed as health tourists as they are EU citizens.
Anyway I think the NHS does an OK job. So much in fact that, I’ve jacked in my health insurance. | | | |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 01:07 - Jan 11 with 3913 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| The NHS is in the best state of its life, so why are Labour attacking it? on 22:09 - Jan 10 by monytowbray |
The NHS certainly needs to be more competitive with buying and sourcing, but that doesn’t change the fact it has been underfunded since the Tories got in. |
Despite funding it more than ever |  | | |
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