| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:51 - Nov 29 with 4966 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:55 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
After the job they've done so far we'll likely agree to pay this and Germany and France will agree to trade talks knowing Ireland will veto them anyway. Then what? Do we bow to Ireland and stay in the customs union and single market like they want?
If so, we may as well have another referendum and stay. |
Yeah baby! Let's do it! |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:52 - Nov 29 with 4964 views | noggin |
Surely nobody was foolish enough to vote for brexit without knowing what it entailed? |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:52 - Nov 29 with 4964 views | Seablu |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:01 - Nov 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you going to be following me around all day or this this a lifetime commitment to obsession? |
It's no walk in the park being a sock puppet.
No doubt I'll get bored at some point & go back to the day job. |  | | |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:53 - Nov 29 with 4959 views | Guthrum |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:31 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
Anyone know if this money depends on getting a trade deal or are we just paying it either way? |
The entire deal has to be agreed by all member states. Money, trade deals, everything.
But we'll be paying some of that sum while negotiations on other aspects are ongoing. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:57 - Nov 29 with 4924 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:52 - Nov 29 by Seablu |
It's no walk in the park being a sock puppet.
No doubt I'll get bored at some point & go back to the day job. |
Begging or prostitution? |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:59 - Nov 29 with 4932 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:57 - Nov 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Begging or prostitution? |
Can you catch me up please? Has Seablu been outed as Facey? | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:02 - Nov 29 with 4926 views | Bigalhunter |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:57 - Nov 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Begging or prostitution? |
Tad harsh. [Post edited 29 Nov 2017 14:03]
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:04 - Nov 29 with 4899 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:53 - Nov 29 by Guthrum |
The entire deal has to be agreed by all member states. Money, trade deals, everything.
But we'll be paying some of that sum while negotiations on other aspects are ongoing. |
Indeed. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. [Post edited 29 Nov 2017 14:05]
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:05 - Nov 29 with 4912 views | Seablu |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:59 - Nov 29 by SpruceMoose |
Can you catch me up please? Has Seablu been outed as Facey? |
Who's facey?
Well I would say that wouldn't I? | | | |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:05 - Nov 29 with 4894 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:02 - Nov 29 by Bigalhunter |
Tad harsh. [Post edited 29 Nov 2017 14:03]
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Your reply pre edit was better. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:09 - Nov 29 with 4900 views | Archer4721 |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:59 - Nov 29 by SpruceMoose |
Can you catch me up please? Has Seablu been outed as Facey? |
Well he's been calling me "Facey" for years. It seems anyone who gives him a bit of stick is this poor "Facey" chap.
Arf. |  | | |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:11 - Nov 29 with 4888 views | factual_blue |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:52 - Nov 29 by noggin |
Surely nobody was foolish enough to vote for brexit without knowing what it entailed? |
balls |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:12 - Nov 29 with 4884 views | blue_oyster |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:26 - Nov 29 by Guthrum |
No, that's the negotiation much of which has already happened. The final figure is dependent upon those factors.
At the beginning of this EU funding cycle (4 yearly IIRC), before the vote happened, let alone the triggering of A50, the UK (as with all other member states) made commitments to fund the organisation's running costs (e.g. subsidies, grants, admin, legal). The question is, having decided to leave, how much we get let off from those commitments.
As to exactly what the EU budget is spent on and our contribution to each part, you'll have to look that up. |
So where is this backed up? There doesn't seem to be any information on what the £50bn is being spent on. Do you have any details? |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:15 - Nov 29 with 4880 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:12 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
So where is this backed up? There doesn't seem to be any information on what the £50bn is being spent on. Do you have any details? |
It's in the article, all nicely colour-coded.
Based on HoC library estimates. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:20 - Nov 29 with 4862 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:11 - Nov 29 by factual_blue |
balls |
End of your balls?  | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:23 - Nov 29 with 4860 views | Archer4721 |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:05 - Nov 29 by Seablu |
Who's facey?
Well I would say that wouldn't I? |
He must have been a real rotter.
He's certainly left a mark on poor tainted GB, whoever he is / was. | | | |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:45 - Nov 29 with 4835 views | blue_oyster |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:15 - Nov 29 by Darth_Koont |
It's in the article, all nicely colour-coded.
Based on HoC library estimates. |
This is just an estimate of the 2019-2020 EU budget. I'm asking where the evidence is, if any, of what we have been promised for the £50bn agreed. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:53 - Nov 29 with 4821 views | noggin |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:45 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
This is just an estimate of the 2019-2020 EU budget. I'm asking where the evidence is, if any, of what we have been promised for the £50bn agreed. |
New roads in Hungary, Romania and Lithuania. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 15:01 - Nov 29 with 4811 views | Guthrum |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:45 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
This is just an estimate of the 2019-2020 EU budget. I'm asking where the evidence is, if any, of what we have been promised for the £50bn agreed. |
We haven't been promised anything, except maybe an easier ride for the rest of the process. This financial stuff is not a transaction, more like negotiating with debt collectors.
The UK promised to pay, now we're discussing how much notice we need to serve to get out of the contract early.
In terms of what we get out of paying into the EU budget, there's a whole raft of subsidies and grants which come back into the country. But not as much as we put in - bein one of the wealthier members, we subsidise the poorer ones (as Germany and France also do). This £50bn figure is our net contribution after these things have been deducted. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 15:02 - Nov 29 with 4809 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:45 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
This is just an estimate of the 2019-2020 EU budget. I'm asking where the evidence is, if any, of what we have been promised for the £50bn agreed. |
Nothing in the 50 billion. That's the figure after we've taken out rebates, CAP and our own projects. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 15:07 - Nov 29 with 4803 views | heavyweight |
The UK's annual net contribution is around £8.5bn and it seems reasonable to pay upto not only when we leave but the end of the funding cycle , which is 2020.
There is the additional cost of pensions etc which I guess are on-going costs that have implicitly been agreed to.
The bulk of the rest is for projects that have been agreed in principal but not yet started and will not be started until beyond the end of the funding cycle (if at all!) I don't really think these costs should be included as by definition they would be part of another funding cycle. (If a country was due to be a recipient of these projects but left before they materialised - they would not then expect to benefit from them)
If the final bill is in the order of £50bn - that is about 6 years worth of payments which does not seem at all reasonable. Considering the funding cycle ends just a year after the UK exit |  | | |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 15:24 - Nov 29 with 4794 views | Guthrum |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 14:45 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
This is just an estimate of the 2019-2020 EU budget. I'm asking where the evidence is, if any, of what we have been promised for the £50bn agreed. |
Or, to put it another way, £50bn divided by £350m per week is about the time from when Article 50 was invoked through to the end of 2020. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 15:46 - Nov 29 with 4777 views | blue_oyster |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 15:01 - Nov 29 by Guthrum |
We haven't been promised anything, except maybe an easier ride for the rest of the process. This financial stuff is not a transaction, more like negotiating with debt collectors.
The UK promised to pay, now we're discussing how much notice we need to serve to get out of the contract early.
In terms of what we get out of paying into the EU budget, there's a whole raft of subsidies and grants which come back into the country. But not as much as we put in - bein one of the wealthier members, we subsidise the poorer ones (as Germany and France also do). This £50bn figure is our net contribution after these things have been deducted. |
Thank you. So all we have evidence of so far, is that we have paid £50bn simply to talk to them. This is shocking. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 15:55 - Nov 29 with 4765 views | Guthrum |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 15:46 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
Thank you. So all we have evidence of so far, is that we have paid £50bn simply to talk to them. This is shocking. |
To talk to them about the things we want to (a trade deal). Otherwise we don't get to. Them's the rules, as determined by the people making the final decision.
And it's only an agreement of liability. As pointed out elsewhere in this thread, we don't pay that sum except as part of an agreed deal. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 16:11 - Nov 29 with 4748 views | BOjK |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:42 - Nov 29 by hype313 |
Believe it now means because we are committed to pay until we leave, they will now engage with us over trade talks. |
We will be paying for many years after we leave for commitments we made while we were a member.
Agreement on money was one of three hurdles that had to be overcome before talks moved onto trade. Citizen's rights always seemed the least painful, and this has just resulted in the government folding, despite all the noises from tories that we'd either pay nothing ("go whistle") or a lot less.
That just leaves the Irish border, and it is hard to see a good resolution to that if/when we leave the Customs Union.
Oh. Don't forget that our genius negotiating team were definitely not going to accept this sequencing of talks the the EU insisted on. And then they did.
Seems like, we'll end up with a Canada-style deal after a few years and a pretty hard border in Ireland. This will make both us and the Irish a bit poorer. |  |
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