| Squad update 14:52 - Jul 20 with 4318 views | itfcjoe |
Assuming Hutchinson signs....!
GK (2+1) - Walton, Hladky, Slicker*
RB (2) - Clarke, Donacien
LB (2) - Davis, Leigh
CB (3) - Edmundson, Woolfenden, Burgess
CM (5+1) - Morsy, Evans, Ball, Luongo, Taylor, Humphreys*
W/AM (8) - Burns, Chaplin, Harness, Jackson, Aluko, Edwards, Broadhead, Hutchinson
ST (2) - Ladapo, Hirst
Total (24+2)
Out on Loan (5) - Ahadme, El Mizouni, Ndaba, Camara, Yengi
Likely leaving - Permanent or loan (3) - Baggott, Hayes, Pigott
Starting to look a bit congested in the AM/W position, something like
RW - Burns, Jackson, Hutchinson
10 - Chaplin, Harness, Aluko
LW - Broadhead, Edwards
Obviously need another CB, so that is the 25th man.
I think we need someone who can play as a 9 at a minimum in there - so guess it is who out of Kayden Jackson or Kyle Edwards you lose to bring that person in who can cover a role behind the striker and as a 9. |  |
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| Squad update on 14:55 - Jul 20 with 2970 views | J2BLUE |
Hladky to leave with Slicker as number 2?
With 9 on the bench I wouldn't want to lose Jackson or Edwards. Not that I want to lose Hladky either. |  |
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| Squad update on 14:57 - Jul 20 with 2948 views | itfcjoe |
| Squad update on 14:55 - Jul 20 by J2BLUE |
Hladky to leave with Slicker as number 2?
With 9 on the bench I wouldn't want to lose Jackson or Edwards. Not that I want to lose Hladky either. |
You can't risk Walton breaking his finger on September 1st and being left with a keeper with no senior experience at all | |
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| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 14:58 - Jul 20 with 2931 views | Bloots |
....of giving a squad space to Aluko, particularly with Hutch coming in.
I genuinely think I'd rather have Jackson around the squad in terms of his impact and more attacking variation.
But what do I know.
Sod all probably. |  |
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| Squad update on 14:59 - Jul 20 with 2909 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Assume * signifies those who don't count to the 25?
CB looks light, but with both Ball and Donacien able to play there, not as urgent as it looks.
Think you are right, another No9 needed, possibly a youngster that can be developed.
Does make me wonder if TJJ on a perm might be in the works, especially after he allegedly has begged Arsenal for a permanent move.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22461118/arsenal-transfer-news-tyreece-john-jules |  |
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| Squad update on 15:00 - Jul 20 with 2917 views | the_toff |
Agree with that. Hladky has to stay, would be foolish to move him on unless it was a nice fee and we replaced him with experience. Either way it'll be 2 (+1).
I would say bring in an additional LCB and a senior forward which takes us to 26. Move on Evans and either Aluko (very unlikely I know) or one of Jackson or Edwards. Plus those 3 you mention.
Would bring us to 24 and give us wiggle room to snap someone up before deadline day. |  | | |
| Squad update on 15:00 - Jul 20 with 2917 views | Dubtractor |
KM has consistently switched all 3 of the AM players in games, so makes sense that he'd want plenty of depth there, but agree that we've probably got one more than needed. |  |
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| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:02 - Jul 20 with 2909 views | itfcjoe |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 14:58 - Jul 20 by Bloots |
....of giving a squad space to Aluko, particularly with Hutch coming in.
I genuinely think I'd rather have Jackson around the squad in terms of his impact and more attacking variation.
But what do I know.
Sod all probably. |
I just mentioned that elsewhere, think that Edwards and Jackson will prove to be much more valuable on the pitch | |
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| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:05 - Jul 20 with 2825 views | homer_123 |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:02 - Jul 20 by itfcjoe |
I just mentioned that elsewhere, think that Edwards and Jackson will prove to be much more valuable on the pitch |
Edwards ended up being far more impactful when coming off the bench or starting than, say, Harness (who sadly fell away form wise).
Jackson is underrated. As he showed, again, last night....he's viable wide option for us and shouldn't be underestimated.
Aluko....the guy ooozes quality but, agree that he is really only going to have a cameo role at best - really difficult to see him getting much game time. |  |
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| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:11 - Jul 20 with 2753 views | hype313 |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:05 - Jul 20 by homer_123 |
Edwards ended up being far more impactful when coming off the bench or starting than, say, Harness (who sadly fell away form wise).
Jackson is underrated. As he showed, again, last night....he's viable wide option for us and shouldn't be underestimated.
Aluko....the guy ooozes quality but, agree that he is really only going to have a cameo role at best - really difficult to see him getting much game time. |
Jackson has been a bit of a revelation on that wing the past 12 months, he's been consistently good, especially for someone I thought would've left a long time ago.
He actually might end up getting more game time than Edwards and Aluko.
Aluko, that's a real head scratcher, as you say, he oozes class, but his output on numbers is well down the list. |  |
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| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:16 - Jul 20 with 2715 views | le2blue |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:02 - Jul 20 by itfcjoe |
I just mentioned that elsewhere, think that Edwards and Jackson will prove to be much more valuable on the pitch |
Remember listening to Gary Neville on the Diary of a CEO podcast saying in his last two years at United Ferguson only kept him in the squad because he wanted him to illustrate the standards and worth ethic to the rest of the squad. Clearly, Aluko is doing that for KM here as well, maybe he can do that whilst not being in the EFL squad list, just appearing in cup games, would definitely make things easier with the squad make up. |  | | |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:17 - Jul 20 with 2700 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:11 - Jul 20 by hype313 |
Jackson has been a bit of a revelation on that wing the past 12 months, he's been consistently good, especially for someone I thought would've left a long time ago.
He actually might end up getting more game time than Edwards and Aluko.
Aluko, that's a real head scratcher, as you say, he oozes class, but his output on numbers is well down the list. |
I think 'a revelation' is seriously pushing it re Jackson. His asset is obviously his pace but he stands out like a sore thumb in terms of technical ability and his end product isn't particularly good when he gets into dangerous positions.
3 goals, 2 assists in the league last year which is identical to Edwards but he played 500 more minutes. [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 15:21]
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| Squad update on 15:18 - Jul 20 with 2687 views | itfcjoe |
This is what I'd be looking to do between now and end of window:
New CB
New CM to replace Evans
New AM/9 to replace Jackson
New CF to replace Ladapo | |
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| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:19 - Jul 20 with 2663 views | homer_123 |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:17 - Jul 20 by tractorboy1978 |
I think 'a revelation' is seriously pushing it re Jackson. His asset is obviously his pace but he stands out like a sore thumb in terms of technical ability and his end product isn't particularly good when he gets into dangerous positions.
3 goals, 2 assists in the league last year which is identical to Edwards but he played 500 more minutes. [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 15:21]
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So, this is the interesting situation though, don't you think.
Edwards, tricky, skilful, able to open up an opposition with trickery and skill.
Jackson, direct, pacey and incredible workrate
To me....and I'm no expert but that seems like two good options to have....different skills and abilities that we can use at different times in matches and throughout the season. | |
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| Squad update on 15:25 - Jul 20 with 2616 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Squad update on 15:18 - Jul 20 by itfcjoe |
This is what I'd be looking to do between now and end of window:
New CB
New CM to replace Evans
New AM/9 to replace Jackson
New CF to replace Ladapo |
I agree with the first three, but would like to keep hold of Ladapo and sign a new under-21 forward on a permanent. No ideas about who. | |
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| Squad update on 15:25 - Jul 20 with 2611 views | homer_123 |
| Squad update on 15:18 - Jul 20 by itfcjoe |
This is what I'd be looking to do between now and end of window:
New CB
New CM to replace Evans
New AM/9 to replace Jackson
New CF to replace Ladapo |
I wonder if Harness might also be one to go, instead of Jackson?
Is Harness easier to offload than Jackson? | |
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| Which sort of leads back to.... on 15:28 - Jul 20 with 2570 views | Bloots |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:19 - Jul 20 by homer_123 |
So, this is the interesting situation though, don't you think.
Edwards, tricky, skilful, able to open up an opposition with trickery and skill.
Jackson, direct, pacey and incredible workrate
To me....and I'm no expert but that seems like two good options to have....different skills and abilities that we can use at different times in matches and throughout the season. |
...my original point.
Aluko is the odd one out, he doesn't really offer anything that other players can't offer, particularly if/when we sign Hutch.
Taking that option on him seems more and more peculiar as we go on. | |
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| Squad update on 15:31 - Jul 20 with 2558 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Is it for certain that Aluko even gets registered in the 25?
Just plays in the cups. Or has the idea of him doing that been ruled out by anyone at the club. | | | |
| Squad update on 15:32 - Jul 20 with 2551 views | southnorfolkblue |
I wonder whether KJ will be seen as that option?
Personally I think we’re overstocked in CM so that’s where I would look to create a space. Evans would be the one that I would look to offload | |
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| Squad update on 15:35 - Jul 20 with 2505 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Squad update on 15:31 - Jul 20 by burnbudgiesburn |
Is it for certain that Aluko even gets registered in the 25?
Just plays in the cups. Or has the idea of him doing that been ruled out by anyone at the club. |
No sure that is something anyone at the club would discuss openly, except with the players concerned. | |
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| Squad update on 15:38 - Jul 20 with 2489 views | LankHenners |
As with others, I get the 'experience' argument with Aluko but was surprised to see him offered a deal. Maybe there'll be games where someone with his ability to hold onto the ball and calm things down will be useful late on but with the numbers we have that feels like a luxury we're trying to cram in.
Jackson seems to have reinvented (or re-reinvented perhaps) himself as a wide forward with some effect - still not sure he's really of the quality for where we want to be but no denying his pace is an asset. Would have thought that Burns and Hutchinson would share the RAM slot so offloading him for a versatile forward seems the best path forward.
Think Edwards playing off the left keeps him in, plus his technical ability is a good fit for the Championship.
A CB seems the next obvious position to fill, think Trusty will be a difficult (and expensive) deal to do but would set us up very nicely at the back imo.
Swap Evans out for a CM with more dynamism and we're looking pretty good all said and done. |  |
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| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:39 - Jul 20 with 2479 views | ReusersTown |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:17 - Jul 20 by tractorboy1978 |
I think 'a revelation' is seriously pushing it re Jackson. His asset is obviously his pace but he stands out like a sore thumb in terms of technical ability and his end product isn't particularly good when he gets into dangerous positions.
3 goals, 2 assists in the league last year which is identical to Edwards but he played 500 more minutes. [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 15:21]
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I wouldn't say he's been a revelation but to say his end product isn't good is absolute bollox. He consistently has got to the byline and delivered good low balls into the box since he got here and picked up a decent number of assists. I'm not overly high on Jackson but with the types of more open games we're more likely to be involved in in the Championship his characteristics are going to be much more useful to us. Just look at the Burnley games for example. | | | |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:41 - Jul 20 with 2453 views | cbower |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 14:58 - Jul 20 by Bloots |
....of giving a squad space to Aluko, particularly with Hutch coming in.
I genuinely think I'd rather have Jackson around the squad in terms of his impact and more attacking variation.
But what do I know.
Sod all probably. |
Yep. Still can't understand the Aluko deal. Lovely player who I can't see playing much. |  |
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| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:46 - Jul 20 with 2425 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I still struggle to see the real value.... on 15:19 - Jul 20 by homer_123 |
So, this is the interesting situation though, don't you think.
Edwards, tricky, skilful, able to open up an opposition with trickery and skill.
Jackson, direct, pacey and incredible workrate
To me....and I'm no expert but that seems like two good options to have....different skills and abilities that we can use at different times in matches and throughout the season. |
I just think he's the weakest of the players we have in attacking areas. He could be that extra hybrid forward we all think we need but I don't think anyone (including McKenna) considers that an option if we want to progress and challenge. We need a better version of him.
I don't think Aluko will play loads but his composure and ball retention will be useful off the bench at times. And he can also drop into the midfield if needed to at times. [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 15:46]
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| Squad update on 15:46 - Jul 20 with 2428 views | itfcjoe |
| Squad update on 15:25 - Jul 20 by homer_123 |
I wonder if Harness might also be one to go, instead of Jackson?
Is Harness easier to offload than Jackson? |
I wouldn't say so - Harness has 2 years left on deal plus an option, Jackson in last year.
Plus Jackson was a legacy player.....whereas Harness was bought when Ashton (CEO), Probert (DoF), Williams (Head of Recruitment) and McKenna were all in place as a good sixed.
A player agreed on by all current powers that be less than 12 months ago is always going to be someone persisted with - and his output was higher last year and looking sharp in pre season | |
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| Squad update on 15:49 - Jul 20 with 2384 views | homer_123 |
| Squad update on 15:46 - Jul 20 by itfcjoe |
I wouldn't say so - Harness has 2 years left on deal plus an option, Jackson in last year.
Plus Jackson was a legacy player.....whereas Harness was bought when Ashton (CEO), Probert (DoF), Williams (Head of Recruitment) and McKenna were all in place as a good sixed.
A player agreed on by all current powers that be less than 12 months ago is always going to be someone persisted with - and his output was higher last year and looking sharp in pre season |
All absolutely fair points Joe.
I guess my question was more 'Is Harness more saleable?'. I think the answer is yes but your points are right, likely we'd continue with him over Jackson, assuming we could move Jackson on.
Not saying I'd want Harness to leave. | |
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