| Gareth Southgate staying 20:31 - Dec 17 with 3137 views | tractordownsouth |
Good news. if we don’t win the Euros I think it will be time for a change but at this point there was no better alternative.
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:15 - Dec 17 with 2589 views | cressi |
Good if your happy winning F.A |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:19 - Dec 17 with 2579 views | tractordownsouth |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:15 - Dec 17 by cressi |
Good if your happy winning F.A |
Who would you appoint? I wouldn’t have Southgate at club level but I don’t think there’s anyone available with a better skillset suited to international management who would take the job. | |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:37 - Dec 17 with 2541 views | jeera |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:15 - Dec 17 by cressi |
Good if your happy winning F.A |
Because we were winning everything until Southgate came along.
I don't know what people see sometimes.
Under him we've got to a quarter final, a semi-final and a final. |  |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:48 - Dec 17 with 2516 views | Stewart27 |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:15 - Dec 17 by cressi |
Good if your happy winning F.A |
Yeah. Bring back Capello | | | |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:53 - Dec 17 with 2501 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:15 - Dec 17 by cressi |
Good if your happy winning F.A |
I can't tell if you actually are dense or if you're some kind of 5hit tribute act. [Post edited 17 Dec 2022 21:53]
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:59 - Dec 17 with 2463 views | cressi |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:53 - Dec 17 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I can't tell if you actually are dense or if you're some kind of 5hit tribute act. [Post edited 17 Dec 2022 21:53]
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So what top side have we actually beat in a world cup under Southgate
I would say we beat who we are expecting to.
I fo not believe he has the ability to make major game changing decisions.
Ie Croatia 2018
Italy 2020
And a weakened France side 2022
Games his grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.
Not about previous managers I'm far from convinced. | | | |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:05 - Dec 17 with 2444 views | TheBoyBlue |
That'll stop speculation on here of when the FA were going to go for McKenna. | |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:23 - Dec 17 with 2411 views | quirkie |
So 2024 winner pick from
France
Germany
Italy
Portugal
Netherlands
Belgium
or outside chance from nowhere
Norway |  |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:26 - Dec 17 with 2400 views | BlueForYou |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:59 - Dec 17 by cressi |
So what top side have we actually beat in a world cup under Southgate
I would say we beat who we are expecting to.
I fo not believe he has the ability to make major game changing decisions.
Ie Croatia 2018
Italy 2020
And a weakened France side 2022
Games his grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.
Not about previous managers I'm far from convinced. |
Can’t disagree with that. |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:34 - Dec 17 with 2375 views | Chrisd |
Feel it’s the right decision. Give Southgate Euro 2024 and then review. We’ve had top managers before in Eriksson and Capello and neither of them got us remotely close to winning a major competition. Top club managers don’t guarantee international success, but we do seem on the right track under Southgate and importantly the players trust him. | |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:48 - Dec 17 with 2339 views | gtsb1966 |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:37 - Dec 17 by jeera |
Because we were winning everything until Southgate came along.
I don't know what people see sometimes.
Under him we've got to a quarter final, a semi-final and a final. |
And won f*** all but should've. |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:57 - Dec 17 with 2327 views | Chrisd |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:48 - Dec 17 by gtsb1966 |
And won f*** all but should've. |
Which tournaments were those? From my recollection we’ve come up woefully short on occasions. | |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 23:07 - Dec 17 with 2306 views | TractorWood |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:57 - Dec 17 by Chrisd |
Which tournaments were those? From my recollection we’ve come up woefully short on occasions. |
I think Italy in Euros at Wembley were there for the taking.
I don't think we'll ever get a better chance.
Other than that it's been pretty standard stuff. We had an all day breakfast of a draw in the Russia world cup and didn't ever look like likely imo. This year was a missed opportunity but we lose to France, Argentina and Brazil 6 days out of 7. [Post edited 18 Dec 2022 12:22]
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 23:13 - Dec 17 with 2290 views | cressi |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 23:07 - Dec 17 by TractorWood |
I think Italy in Euros at Wembley were there for the taking.
I don't think we'll ever get a better chance.
Other than that it's been pretty standard stuff. We had an all day breakfast of a draw in the Russia world cup and didn't ever look like likely imo. This year was a missed opportunity but we lose to France, Argentina and Brazil 6 days out of 7. [Post edited 18 Dec 2022 12:22]
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Problem people accept mediocrity
Whether England or Ipswich
Personally I don't understand it.
Show me acceptance I will show you a loser | | | |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 23:23 - Dec 17 with 2264 views | GlasgowBlue |
I’d say that Southgate has more positives than negatives but his one big negative is a lack of plan B. He’ll shuffle the players around but never makes a tactical masterstroke. Which was needed against Croatia in 2018, Italy lat year and France last week.
I have no issue with him staying on. He has a great relationship with the players and handles the off field stuff really well. But there is an issue of familiarity and I dint think we will get any further under Southgate.
Graham Potter would be my choice. |  |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 23:47 - Dec 17 with 2235 views | LankHenners |
If the FA want an English manager to take over then they'll be hoping this gives 18 months for Howe to take Newcastle as far as he can or Potter to get fed up with Chelsea. |  |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 08:40 - Dec 18 with 2066 views | noggin |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:23 - Dec 17 by quirkie |
So 2024 winner pick from
France
Germany
Italy
Portugal
Netherlands
Belgium
or outside chance from nowhere
Norway |
Norway?  |  |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 08:42 - Dec 18 with 2064 views | noggin |
Pick any manager in world football, England won't win anything. | |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 08:45 - Dec 18 with 2062 views | NthQldITFC |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 23:13 - Dec 17 by cressi |
Problem people accept mediocrity
Whether England or Ipswich
Personally I don't understand it.
Show me acceptance I will show you a loser |
I accept what you wrote. |  |
| # WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE # | | Poll: | It's driving me nuts |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 09:22 - Dec 18 with 2006 views | ElephantintheRoom |
IF the object is to win either the Euros or the World Cup I’d dispense with the idea of an ‘England Manager’. In a merry go round going back 60 years the results have invariably been the same, with exit at the first competitive game no matter who’s manager - so clearly somethings is wrong - assuming an England team can win a couple of demanding games and take penalties when the pressure is on.
Ramsey was continually criticised and contrived to get knocked out by West Germany in 1970 with a team that had been at least as good as Brazil’s ‘best team ever’. Results have been the same ever since - 52 years and counting.
Time to try a part-time manager with coaches adept at offense, defence and special teams for set pieces and penalties- with a brief to win a tournament. | |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 11:21 - Dec 18 with 1919 views | J2BLUE |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 23:07 - Dec 17 by TractorWood |
I think Italy in Euros at Wembley were there for the taking.
I don't think we'll ever get a better chance.
Other than that it's been pretty standard stuff. We had an all day breakfast of a draw in the Russia world cup and didn't ever look like likely imo. This year was a missed opportunity but we lose to France, Argentina and Brazil 6 days out of 7. [Post edited 18 Dec 2022 12:22]
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Agree.
We should have beaten Italy. There was a good window in that game where he could have made positive changes and taken the handbrake off.
I don't think he will win us anything but his pragmatic approach and the talent at his disposal will continue to get us to the latter stages.
As posted previously, I support him staying as there's no one else and he's earnt the right to decide for himself but I can't see us winning the Euros. We will cruise along until we play France or Spain.
The FA need to begin working on their succession plan for the next world cup.
Reading this post back, it's perhaps more critical than intended. On balance, he's done a decent job. There is a nagging feeling though that his style is not suited to the latter stages. |  |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 11:44 - Dec 18 with 1876 views | tractordownsouth |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 22:34 - Dec 17 by Chrisd |
Feel it’s the right decision. Give Southgate Euro 2024 and then review. We’ve had top managers before in Eriksson and Capello and neither of them got us remotely close to winning a major competition. Top club managers don’t guarantee international success, but we do seem on the right track under Southgate and importantly the players trust him. |
The in-game tactics point is the strongest of the anti-Southgate arguments, particularly in regards to the Italy game.
And as you say, there’s very little correlation between being a top club manager and a top international one because you need a completely different set of skills to succeed. Capello and Eriksson had great club records and they both underachieved with England - even at this World Cup Germany and Spain both had treble-winning managers and failed. | |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 11:46 - Dec 18 with 1872 views | Bobsthename |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 21:15 - Dec 17 by cressi |
Good if your happy winning F.A |
Agreed he is absolutely totally FA backed yes man we will win nothing with him never really won nothing as a manager or player don’t get the hype about him i’d be fuming if he ever came here . | | | |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 11:59 - Dec 18 with 1856 views | WeWereZombies |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 11:21 - Dec 18 by J2BLUE |
Agree.
We should have beaten Italy. There was a good window in that game where he could have made positive changes and taken the handbrake off.
I don't think he will win us anything but his pragmatic approach and the talent at his disposal will continue to get us to the latter stages.
As posted previously, I support him staying as there's no one else and he's earnt the right to decide for himself but I can't see us winning the Euros. We will cruise along until we play France or Spain.
The FA need to begin working on their succession plan for the next world cup.
Reading this post back, it's perhaps more critical than intended. On balance, he's done a decent job. There is a nagging feeling though that his style is not suited to the latter stages. |
Surely whether we can beat France or Spain in four years time depends a lot upon how existing players maintain their skillsets, how relevant those skillsets are to the game as it evolves and what new talent emerges in each nation ? |  |
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| Gareth Southgate staying on 13:07 - Dec 18 with 1764 views | BloomBlue |
| Gareth Southgate staying on 09:22 - Dec 18 by ElephantintheRoom |
IF the object is to win either the Euros or the World Cup I’d dispense with the idea of an ‘England Manager’. In a merry go round going back 60 years the results have invariably been the same, with exit at the first competitive game no matter who’s manager - so clearly somethings is wrong - assuming an England team can win a couple of demanding games and take penalties when the pressure is on.
Ramsey was continually criticised and contrived to get knocked out by West Germany in 1970 with a team that had been at least as good as Brazil’s ‘best team ever’. Results have been the same ever since - 52 years and counting.
Time to try a part-time manager with coaches adept at offense, defence and special teams for set pieces and penalties- with a brief to win a tournament. |
Precisely, the object is to win either the World Cup or Euros and every manager since Ramsey has been a failure. However personally I think Southgate has done well certainly better than any other England manager since Ramsey and I would stick with him until after the Euros. |  | | |
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