| Remember when I said he was a Blairite 10:10 - Dec 17 with 2387 views | chicoazul |
and you all laughed at me?
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:13 - Dec 17 with 1325 views | GeoffSentence |
It is a start. But including a few elected members is not enough. The HoL is fundamentally undemocratic and needs to be completely replaced by an elected chamber.
Actually the further you get through this the less promising it looks. It starts with the idea of elected Lords and ends up with the much more likely outcome of BoJo simply appointing more Tory Peers. [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 10:17]
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:14 - Dec 17 with 1311 views | BrixtonBlue |
We laugh at you every day, you can't expect us to remember all of the reasons! |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:16 - Dec 17 with 1292 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:13 - Dec 17 by GeoffSentence |
It is a start. But including a few elected members is not enough. The HoL is fundamentally undemocratic and needs to be completely replaced by an elected chamber.
Actually the further you get through this the less promising it looks. It starts with the idea of elected Lords and ends up with the much more likely outcome of BoJo simply appointing more Tory Peers. [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 10:17]
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So your solution is yet more voting and politicking? | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:17 - Dec 17 with 1279 views | GeoffSentence |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:16 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
So your solution is yet more voting and politicking? |
Why yes. Haven't you heard of democracy?
What's your solution? | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:22 - Dec 17 with 1245 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:17 - Dec 17 by GeoffSentence |
Why yes. Haven't you heard of democracy?
What's your solution? |
My solution is this; leave it alone. The point of having an unelected second chamber is precisely *because* they should not be a part of the political system, but apart from it. It means you have a bunch of people in the HoL who are not beholden to anyone including "Boris", Tony Blair et al. And as you have already noticed, "Boris" is seeking to work this change to his political advantage. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:22 - Dec 17 with 1240 views | Guthrum |
Or to reduce annoying HoL "interference" in Government. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:24 - Dec 17 with 1225 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:22 - Dec 17 by Guthrum |
Or to reduce annoying HoL "interference" in Government. |
When has that ever happened? | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:25 - Dec 17 with 1224 views | GeoffSentence |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:22 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
My solution is this; leave it alone. The point of having an unelected second chamber is precisely *because* they should not be a part of the political system, but apart from it. It means you have a bunch of people in the HoL who are not beholden to anyone including "Boris", Tony Blair et al. And as you have already noticed, "Boris" is seeking to work this change to his political advantage. |
They already are part of the political system because they are appointed by the government of the day. Except of course the 92 hereditary peers who are there by dint of being born into privilege.
No, having a second chamber stuffed full of mates of the PM is not the way to go and doesn't meet the most basic of requirements for a proper democracy. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:27 - Dec 17 with 1212 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:25 - Dec 17 by GeoffSentence |
They already are part of the political system because they are appointed by the government of the day. Except of course the 92 hereditary peers who are there by dint of being born into privilege.
No, having a second chamber stuffed full of mates of the PM is not the way to go and doesn't meet the most basic of requirements for a proper democracy. |
Yes, and that's bad too. The HoL was changed irreversibly by......Tony Blair. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:32 - Dec 17 with 1201 views | Guthrum |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:24 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
When has that ever happened? |
They get to annoyingly amend or delay any bill which comes before them. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:34 - Dec 17 with 1188 views | Pinewoodblue |
Looks like you have given us another chance to laugh, although a sympathetic smile might be a better way of putting it, Doubt anyone, except a few but jobs, agrees with you.
The nearest we have seen to a Blairite Tory PM has been David Cameron. Boris Johnson is much further to the righ5. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:35 - Dec 17 with 1184 views | Oldsmoker |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:25 - Dec 17 by GeoffSentence |
They already are part of the political system because they are appointed by the government of the day. Except of course the 92 hereditary peers who are there by dint of being born into privilege.
No, having a second chamber stuffed full of mates of the PM is not the way to go and doesn't meet the most basic of requirements for a proper democracy. |
There's also 26 Bishops as part of the HoL.
Only 25 sitting at present. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:38 - Dec 17 with 1175 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite on 10:34 - Dec 17 by Pinewoodblue |
Looks like you have given us another chance to laugh, although a sympathetic smile might be a better way of putting it, Doubt anyone, except a few but jobs, agrees with you.
The nearest we have seen to a Blairite Tory PM has been David Cameron. Boris Johnson is much further to the righ5. |
Could you name some right wing things "Boris" has done please? Not what he has said; done. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:38 - Dec 17 with 1168 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:35 - Dec 17 by Oldsmoker |
There's also 26 Bishops as part of the HoL.
Only 25 sitting at present. |
Britain is still nominally a Christian country. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:39 - Dec 17 with 1165 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:27 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
Yes, and that's bad too. The HoL was changed irreversibly by......Tony Blair. |
You trying to get on the TWTD annual awards list as "the poster who keeps giving"? | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:45 - Dec 17 with 1134 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:39 - Dec 17 by Pinewoodblue |
You trying to get on the TWTD annual awards list as "the poster who keeps giving"? |
"Could you name some right wing things "Boris" has done please? Not what he has said; done." | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:49 - Dec 17 with 1118 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:45 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
"Could you name some right wing things "Boris" has done please? Not what he has said; done." |
He's done very little so far. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:49 - Dec 17 with 1115 views | DanTheMan |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:13 - Dec 17 by GeoffSentence |
It is a start. But including a few elected members is not enough. The HoL is fundamentally undemocratic and needs to be completely replaced by an elected chamber.
Actually the further you get through this the less promising it looks. It starts with the idea of elected Lords and ends up with the much more likely outcome of BoJo simply appointing more Tory Peers. [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 10:17]
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It is undemocratic.
That's the point though. Why bother replacing it with another chamber of elected people, you might as well not bother?
The only way it could possibly work is that if anyone who stood for it had to be independent but I can't see how that would actually be workable. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:50 - Dec 17 with 1108 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:22 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
My solution is this; leave it alone. The point of having an unelected second chamber is precisely *because* they should not be a part of the political system, but apart from it. It means you have a bunch of people in the HoL who are not beholden to anyone including "Boris", Tony Blair et al. And as you have already noticed, "Boris" is seeking to work this change to his political advantage. |
I agree. They need to stamp out nepotism/cronyism and put a rigorous selection process in place, ideally via something like an all-party committee structure. They could do with reducing the size and ending hereditary titles too, make it a fixed term appointment. Remove the opportunities for successive PMs to manipulate it, and aim for a broad cross-section of experts rather than has-been career politicians. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:51 - Dec 17 with 1100 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:45 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
"Could you name some right wing things "Boris" has done please? Not what he has said; done." |
He only won the election 4 days ago. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:52 - Dec 17 with 1092 views | Oldsmoker |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:45 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
"Could you name some right wing things "Boris" has done please? Not what he has said; done." |
The starting gun is the Queen speech. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:56 - Dec 17 with 1062 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:49 - Dec 17 by Pinewoodblue |
He's done very little so far. |
So he has been an MP for many years, Mayor of London for 8 years, and you can't think of a single right wing thing he has done? And yet you say he is "much further to the right" than Blair? | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:58 - Dec 17 with 1056 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:51 - Dec 17 by BrixtonBlue |
He only won the election 4 days ago. |
He has been an MP for years, Mayor of London for years, everyone says he is a nasty horrible right winger chico you great silly, and yet nobody can tell me a single right wing thing he has ever done. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:59 - Dec 17 with 1052 views | DanTheMan |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:56 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
So he has been an MP for many years, Mayor of London for 8 years, and you can't think of a single right wing thing he has done? And yet you say he is "much further to the right" than Blair? |
The (useless) water cannon is a fairly recent example. Being "tough" on rioters despite it not being even legal to use it. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:59 - Dec 17 with 1046 views | BloomBlue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:35 - Dec 17 by Oldsmoker |
There's also 26 Bishops as part of the HoL.
Only 25 sitting at present. |
Is the 26th Bishop still injured? |  | | |
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