| Remember when I said he was a Blairite 10:10 - Dec 17 with 2396 views | chicoazul |
and you all laughed at me?
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:00 - Dec 17 with 520 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:45 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
"Could you name some right wing things "Boris" has done please? Not what he has said; done." |
How about shutting down parliament illegally to prevent it exercising it's democratic right?
Or a nice little bit of dogwhislting racism? [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 11:01]
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:01 - Dec 17 with 521 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:49 - Dec 17 by DanTheMan |
It is undemocratic.
That's the point though. Why bother replacing it with another chamber of elected people, you might as well not bother?
The only way it could possibly work is that if anyone who stood for it had to be independent but I can't see how that would actually be workable. |
Your last sentence; that's pretty much what we had before Blair changed it all. Sure, there were a lot of toffs inevitably, but they didnt owe anything to anyone. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:02 - Dec 17 with 518 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:59 - Dec 17 by DanTheMan |
The (useless) water cannon is a fairly recent example. Being "tough" on rioters despite it not being even legal to use it. |
Famously left wing countries like Belgium and France have and use water cannon regularly (ironically most recently on left wing protesters). Boris as you say didnt even deploy it. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:04 - Dec 17 with 513 views | DanTheMan |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:02 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
Famously left wing countries like Belgium and France have and use water cannon regularly (ironically most recently on left wing protesters). Boris as you say didnt even deploy it. |
He couldn't deploy it because it was ruled to be illegal.
I would still say that being seen to being tough on crime is a right wing tendency for the most part, things like water cannons feed into it. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:04 - Dec 17 with 512 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:00 - Dec 17 by Swansea_Blue |
How about shutting down parliament illegally to prevent it exercising it's democratic right?
Or a nice little bit of dogwhislting racism? [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 11:01]
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Racism sadly is not a preserve of the right, is it. We all know this now.
He shut down Parliament unlawfully, not illegally, I struggle to think of a more left wing thing to do than try to shut down a dissenting elected Parliament though. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:06 - Dec 17 with 506 views | DanTheMan |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:04 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
Racism sadly is not a preserve of the right, is it. We all know this now.
He shut down Parliament unlawfully, not illegally, I struggle to think of a more left wing thing to do than try to shut down a dissenting elected Parliament though. |
I do agree, although not on the "more left wing" bit, but we are straying into right wing economically, right wing socially, and authoritarianism. You can of course be a left wing authoritarian. [Post edited 17 Dec 2019 11:06]
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:08 - Dec 17 with 499 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:04 - Dec 17 by DanTheMan |
He couldn't deploy it because it was ruled to be illegal.
I would still say that being seen to being tough on crime is a right wing tendency for the most part, things like water cannons feed into it. |
How was he tough on crime? But you do hit on a key point about "being seen". This comes back to what I say about the difference between what politicians say, and what they do. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:10 - Dec 17 with 495 views | GeoffSentence |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:04 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
Racism sadly is not a preserve of the right, is it. We all know this now.
He shut down Parliament unlawfully, not illegally, I struggle to think of a more left wing thing to do than try to shut down a dissenting elected Parliament though. |
I think it is fair to say that he has displayed an authoritarian streak with his attempt to shutdown parliament, use water cannon on protesters and control the BBC.
Authoritarianism is not the preserve of the left or the right, it is a tendency of both. But since we know that he is not a left winger it is fair to say that these all examples of his right wing authoritarian tendencies. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:11 - Dec 17 with 494 views | DanTheMan |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:08 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
How was he tough on crime? But you do hit on a key point about "being seen". This comes back to what I say about the difference between what politicians say, and what they do. |
He didn't have enough power as London Mayor to really do anything that would actually be tough on crime, that sort of stuff is at a national level.
I'm not sure left and right really work for Boris. What I think he is, at heart, is a right-wing populist. He'll say whatever makes him popular, even if he doesn't really believe it.
My main worry is that before he's never really had a lot of power to do anything (other than make gaffes), but he certainly does now. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:15 - Dec 17 with 488 views | hampstead_blue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 10:51 - Dec 17 by BrixtonBlue |
He only won the election 4 days ago. |
Ok, so whilst London Mayor then. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:17 - Dec 17 with 483 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:10 - Dec 17 by GeoffSentence |
I think it is fair to say that he has displayed an authoritarian streak with his attempt to shutdown parliament, use water cannon on protesters and control the BBC.
Authoritarianism is not the preserve of the left or the right, it is a tendency of both. But since we know that he is not a left winger it is fair to say that these all examples of his right wing authoritarian tendencies. |
I dont "know" that at all thanks. He is very Blairite, or in other words, left wing. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:18 - Dec 17 with 476 views | DanTheMan |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:17 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
I dont "know" that at all thanks. He is very Blairite, or in other words, left wing. |
In your mind, what does being right wing entail, in terms of stances? | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:20 - Dec 17 with 467 views | GeoffSentence |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:17 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
I dont "know" that at all thanks. He is very Blairite, or in other words, left wing. |
Despite the party that he has always been a member of and now leads?
Isn't that a justifiable clue to where he sits on the political spectrum? | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:24 - Dec 17 with 457 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:18 - Dec 17 by DanTheMan |
In your mind, what does being right wing entail, in terms of stances? |
A disciple of Edmund Burke. Someone who believes in the small, local, proven, traditional. A small c conservative who believes in a Monarchy, limited capitalism, family, the ability to control and defend our borders and interests, the ability to keep the state at arms length from family life, and freedom of religion. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:25 - Dec 17 with 454 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:20 - Dec 17 by GeoffSentence |
Despite the party that he has always been a member of and now leads?
Isn't that a justifiable clue to where he sits on the political spectrum? |
Only if you believe the Tory party is right wing, which it isn't. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:30 - Dec 17 with 446 views | chicoazul |
Wasting money is a left wing specialism. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:32 - Dec 17 with 441 views | jeera |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:30 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
Wasting money is a left wing specialism. |
He's definitely not left wing.
That was one of those, 'but what about Labour' tactics Chics.
The reply was to Hampstead's Johnson as mayor question. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 13:04 - Dec 17 with 412 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:25 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
Only if you believe the Tory party is right wing, which it isn't. |
How deep a hole are you going to dig before admitting you remarks are more than a little stupid. |  |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 13:14 - Dec 17 with 401 views | hampstead_blue |
I think the question was different to your answer. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 15:52 - Dec 17 with 365 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 13:04 - Dec 17 by Pinewoodblue |
How deep a hole are you going to dig before admitting you remarks are more than a little stupid. |
So "Boris" is "much further to the right" but you cant name one single right wing thing he has done after years as Mayor and an MP, and I am the one saying stupid things? Got it big guy. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 15:54 - Dec 17 with 359 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 11:04 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
Racism sadly is not a preserve of the right, is it. We all know this now.
He shut down Parliament unlawfully, not illegally, I struggle to think of a more left wing thing to do than try to shut down a dissenting elected Parliament though. |
Two arses of the same cheek though. He's authoritarian on the right, not the left, obviously. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 15:58 - Dec 17 with 351 views | chicoazul |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 15:54 - Dec 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Two arses of the same cheek though. He's authoritarian on the right, not the left, obviously. |
People keep saying this "obviously" canard or similar, but nobody can tell me a right wing thing he has done. | |
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 16:04 - Dec 17 with 340 views | hampstead_blue |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 15:52 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
So "Boris" is "much further to the right" but you cant name one single right wing thing he has done after years as Mayor and an MP, and I am the one saying stupid things? Got it big guy. |
Agree. I asked and was given the answer to another question.
I don't he has done anything which can be classed as 'further to the right".
I'm with you on this one. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 16:11 - Dec 17 with 324 views | GeoffSentence |
| Remember when I said he was a Blairite (n/t) on 15:58 - Dec 17 by chicoazul |
People keep saying this "obviously" canard or similar, but nobody can tell me a right wing thing he has done. |
Yeah, but you dont accept that being a member of a party, and hence a supporter of its policies, that has cut back public spending and imposed austerity on the country whilst at the same time cutting corporation tax is right wing.
If you don't think that the tory party is right wing then it is going to be hard convincing you that his support for it and membership of it, is right wing. | |
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