| Kieran McKenna Presser 14:05 - Dec 28 with 3470 views | PhilTWTD |
No confirmation that SM has made himself unavailable for AFCON.
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| Presser on 14:06 - Dec 28 with 3020 views | PhilTWTD |
Hirst, still being assessed, significant injury, had some scans, seeing a specialist on timescale. Hard to give an indication of time but not a very short-term injury. Should have a timescale next week after specialist appointment. Big blow but have other players who can step into shoes and close to transfer window.
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| Presser on 14:10 - Dec 28 with 2943 views | PhilTWTD |
| Presser on 14:06 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
Hirst, still being assessed, significant injury, had some scans, seeing a specialist on timescale. Hard to give an indication of time but not a very short-term injury. Should have a timescale next week after specialist appointment. Big blow but have other players who can step into shoes and close to transfer window.
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Had meetings on budget, owners supportive, will look to support as much as possible, but FFP restrictions prevalent and limiting. | | | |
| Presser on 14:11 - Dec 28 with 2924 views | PhilTWTD |
| Presser on 14:10 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
Had meetings on budget, owners supportive, will look to support as much as possible, but FFP restrictions prevalent and limiting. |
On Hladky contract/interest, left with Mark Ashton etc, KMc's focus on matches. | | | |
| Presser on 14:14 - Dec 28 with 2860 views | Herbivore |
| Presser on 14:06 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
Hirst, still being assessed, significant injury, had some scans, seeing a specialist on timescale. Hard to give an indication of time but not a very short-term injury. Should have a timescale next week after specialist appointment. Big blow but have other players who can step into shoes and close to transfer window.
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This does not sound at all promising. |  |
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| Presser on 14:15 - Dec 28 with 2851 views | PhilTWTD |
| Presser on 14:11 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
On Hladky contract/interest, left with Mark Ashton etc, KMc's focus on matches. |
Reflecting on great 2023, now talking about QPR, changed style, but Championship experience. Are trying to build an identity. | | | |
| Presser on 14:15 - Dec 28 with 2831 views | PhilTWTD |
| Presser on 14:14 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
This does not sound at all promising. |
No, it doesn't. | | | |
| Presser on 14:23 - Dec 28 with 2672 views | Parky |
| Presser on 14:15 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
No, it doesn't. |
Stansfield through the door on the 1st of Jan then? 🤞🏻 |  | | |
| Presser on 14:25 - Dec 28 with 2623 views | PhilTWTD |
| Presser on 14:15 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
Reflecting on great 2023, now talking about QPR, changed style, but Championship experience. Are trying to build an identity. |
Also one or two others facing scans ahead of QPR, will have utilised squad anyway. | | | |
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| Presser on 14:27 - Dec 28 with 2566 views | Herbivore |
| Presser on 14:25 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
Also one or two others facing scans ahead of QPR, will have utilised squad anyway. |
Well, we were always likely to have to utilize the squad to get through the festive period I guess. If we can muddle through and take 4 points from QPR and Stoke that'd be an excellent effort and then gives us a couple of weeks to get a few back fully fit and one or two others through the door before we play Sunderland. | |
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| Presser on 14:27 - Dec 28 with 2569 views | Mullet |
| Presser on 14:15 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
No, it doesn't. |
Any chance you can delete this thread and have a bad news blackout for a bit please? |  |
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| Presser on 14:29 - Dec 28 with 2529 views | SitfcB |
| Presser on 14:15 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
No, it doesn't. |
Seasonal goodwill by PhilTWTD 19 Dec 2023 9:46Think we need a bit more of it on here at the moment. Not really sure why, but in the last couple of days there's been a lot of unnecessary baiting and winding-up. Perhaps we could have a truce from all the various factions, if for no one else for me. I've got better things to do than answer PMs regarding posters' snarks at one another.
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| Presser on 14:30 - Dec 28 with 2508 views | StokieBlue |
| Presser on 14:10 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
Had meetings on budget, owners supportive, will look to support as much as possible, but FFP restrictions prevalent and limiting. |
On the FFP aspect.
Given the likelihood that if we don't get promoted then Davis will leave us for a PL team can the club not leverage that future income against spending more now?
We would go over FFP limits but we would either be promoted and therefore it doesn't matter or we sell Davis and cover the losses?
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| Presser on 14:36 - Dec 28 with 2352 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Presser on 14:30 - Dec 28 by StokieBlue |
On the FFP aspect.
Given the likelihood that if we don't get promoted then Davis will leave us for a PL team can the club not leverage that future income against spending more now?
We would go over FFP limits but we would either be promoted and therefore it doesn't matter or we sell Davis and cover the losses?
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I assume that we can, but would have to sell by a certain date to comply with ffp & would need to receive enough up front to comply too.
Hopefully any incoming deals will be spread over the contract meaning only some of the fee counts this year [Post edited 28 Dec 2023 14:36]
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| Presser on 14:41 - Dec 28 with 2243 views | StokieBlue |
| Presser on 14:36 - Dec 28 by BLUEGOLD |
I assume that we can, but would have to sell by a certain date to comply with ffp & would need to receive enough up front to comply too.
Hopefully any incoming deals will be spread over the contract meaning only some of the fee counts this year [Post edited 28 Dec 2023 14:36]
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Isn't FFP over 3 years though?
I don't mean go crazy but having an asset in the bank should give a little leverage.
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| Presser on 14:44 - Dec 28 with 2213 views | suffolkpoker |
| Presser on 14:30 - Dec 28 by StokieBlue |
On the FFP aspect.
Given the likelihood that if we don't get promoted then Davis will leave us for a PL team can the club not leverage that future income against spending more now?
We would go over FFP limits but we would either be promoted and therefore it doesn't matter or we sell Davis and cover the losses?
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I don’t like that strategy. Sounds like a pay day loan scam.
We would loose to much negotiating power and could be forced to accept a lower offer with more upfront. |  |
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| Presser on 14:45 - Dec 28 with 2193 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Presser on 14:41 - Dec 28 by StokieBlue |
Isn't FFP over 3 years though?
I don't mean go crazy but having an asset in the bank should give a little leverage.
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It’s something like a loss of £39m over 3 years, but the last 2 years in League One are counted as well, so we don’t have huge amounts of headroom is the likelihood. | | | |
| Presser on 14:47 - Dec 28 with 2162 views | StokieBlue |
| Presser on 14:44 - Dec 28 by suffolkpoker |
I don’t like that strategy. Sounds like a pay day loan scam.
We would loose to much negotiating power and could be forced to accept a lower offer with more upfront. |
It's nothing like a pay day loan scam but fair enough.
Some context is needed here though. What is the goal? Is it to get the absolute maximum price for someone like Davis or is it to get to the PL?
I'm not specifically advocating we do go nuts and leverage in this way, more the question was whether it was possible. We need to add strength and need to find a way to do it.
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| Presser on 14:48 - Dec 28 with 2119 views | Dubtractor |
| Presser on 14:47 - Dec 28 by StokieBlue |
It's nothing like a pay day loan scam but fair enough.
Some context is needed here though. What is the goal? Is it to get the absolute maximum price for someone like Davis or is it to get to the PL?
I'm not specifically advocating we do go nuts and leverage in this way, more the question was whether it was possible. We need to add strength and need to find a way to do it.
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Probably possible, but obviously risky as Davis is only worth money when we sell him, until then he is only a serious injury from having no value. |  |
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| Presser on 14:48 - Dec 28 with 2118 views | pointofblue |
| Presser on 14:36 - Dec 28 by BLUEGOLD |
I assume that we can, but would have to sell by a certain date to comply with ffp & would need to receive enough up front to comply too.
Hopefully any incoming deals will be spread over the contract meaning only some of the fee counts this year [Post edited 28 Dec 2023 14:36]
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It's risky. I mean, I don't want to one up Phil's bleak outlook (via McKenna) but if something happens to Davis which means we're unable to sell him in the summer... | |
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| Presser on 14:50 - Dec 28 with 2076 views | StokieBlue |
| Presser on 14:48 - Dec 28 by Dubtractor |
Probably possible, but obviously risky as Davis is only worth money when we sell him, until then he is only a serious injury from having no value. |
That is a fair point.
The worry is if Hirst is out for a long time we are going to need to do something. I am sure plans are in place.
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| Presser on 14:51 - Dec 28 with 2070 views | JakeITFC |
| Presser on 14:30 - Dec 28 by StokieBlue |
On the FFP aspect.
Given the likelihood that if we don't get promoted then Davis will leave us for a PL team can the club not leverage that future income against spending more now?
We would go over FFP limits but we would either be promoted and therefore it doesn't matter or we sell Davis and cover the losses?
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I think that's what they'll do, but I'm not sure you can be as bullish as to say it out loud (no guarantee you'll go up or sell Davis or anyone else). |  | | |
| Presser on 14:52 - Dec 28 with 2050 views | suffolkpoker |
| Presser on 14:47 - Dec 28 by StokieBlue |
It's nothing like a pay day loan scam but fair enough.
Some context is needed here though. What is the goal? Is it to get the absolute maximum price for someone like Davis or is it to get to the PL?
I'm not specifically advocating we do go nuts and leverage in this way, more the question was whether it was possible. We need to add strength and need to find a way to do it.
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The goal is to protect our Assests and try and go up. If he gets injured or westhan interests cools off, we are left in a tight spot for our largest Assest.
Your right it’s not a pay day loan scam but the final result finish badley.
It’s a risk I don’t like especially when we can utilise within our current means | |
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| Presser on 14:52 - Dec 28 with 2046 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Presser on 14:47 - Dec 28 by StokieBlue |
It's nothing like a pay day loan scam but fair enough.
Some context is needed here though. What is the goal? Is it to get the absolute maximum price for someone like Davis or is it to get to the PL?
I'm not specifically advocating we do go nuts and leverage in this way, more the question was whether it was possible. We need to add strength and need to find a way to do it.
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It’s probably a bit of both to be honest.
Selling someone like Davis to West Ham in January for ÂŁ15m with say ÂŁ5m up front and getting Cresswell on loan to the end of the season would give us an extra ÂŁ5m to spend on players and wages that month.
If we let others go like Ladapo then we can add in the wage savings too.
Short term loans are easier to do & cheaper as well as it’s only a matter of wages to cover for a few months.
Diallo from Man Utd is one that lots of teams will be after | | | |
| Presser on 18:29 - Dec 28 with 1634 views | PhilTWTD |
| Presser on 14:30 - Dec 28 by StokieBlue |
On the FFP aspect.
Given the likelihood that if we don't get promoted then Davis will leave us for a PL team can the club not leverage that future income against spending more now?
We would go over FFP limits but we would either be promoted and therefore it doesn't matter or we sell Davis and cover the losses?
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I think that is an approach, the value in the squad, not just Davis, gives us scope to be able to go further than we otherwise might not. | | | |
| Presser on 19:39 - Dec 28 with 1520 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Presser on 18:29 - Dec 28 by PhilTWTD |
I think that is an approach, the value in the squad, not just Davis, gives us scope to be able to go further than we otherwise might not. |
I was wondering too if we might go down the sell but loan back route.. we then have the fee but keep the player for remainder of season.. |  |
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