| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 09:11 - Aug 23 with 2194 views | NthQldITFC |
I wonder if they have misunderstood the concept of herd immunity. |  |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 09:39 - Aug 23 with 2152 views | GeoffSentence |
For a group of people who are concerned about what is being put into their bodies, that seems a strange and inconsistent thing to do.
Reading further down, it turns out that numbers of people are managing to poison themselves with it. |  |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 09:40 - Aug 23 with 2137 views | Fixed_It |
Probably wise if you're feeling a bit hoarse. |  |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:12 - Aug 23 with 2009 views | Guthrum |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 09:39 - Aug 23 by GeoffSentence |
For a group of people who are concerned about what is being put into their bodies, that seems a strange and inconsistent thing to do.
Reading further down, it turns out that numbers of people are managing to poison themselves with it. |
Of course. If a little of something is good for you, lots must be even better. That's how things work, isn't it? |  |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:35 - Aug 23 with 1965 views | eireblue |
Sounds like a few cowboys, got around a whiteboard, barnstormed a few ideas, and after a bit of jockeying around this idea jumped out. |  | | |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:38 - Aug 23 with 1967 views | Robbie12345 |
It’s not a random drug, it has been proven to be somewhat effective at prevention and reducing symptoms by a range of medical journal articles and has been included in a Oxford University trial on Covid treatments. Sure, it needs further research, as Oxford Uni and others are doing, but signs are promising. If it is proven to be effective, it could be game changing, as you can make a whole batch for a couple pounds, where as the current treatment in the USA costs patients $1000s per dose, which is criminal. |  |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:46 - Aug 23 with 1929 views | DanTheMan |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:38 - Aug 23 by Robbie12345 |
It’s not a random drug, it has been proven to be somewhat effective at prevention and reducing symptoms by a range of medical journal articles and has been included in a Oxford University trial on Covid treatments. Sure, it needs further research, as Oxford Uni and others are doing, but signs are promising. If it is proven to be effective, it could be game changing, as you can make a whole batch for a couple pounds, where as the current treatment in the USA costs patients $1000s per dose, which is criminal. |
Have you done any reading on this? The only decent articles I can find suggest the studies done on this have been very small, and some of them are apparently poor quality.
The Cochrane review of the available studies isn't exactly positive:
Based on the current very low†to lowâ€certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVIDâ€19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVIDâ€19 outside of wellâ€designed randomized trials.
Source - https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full
Also see the EMA statement on it:
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-ivermectin-prevention-
Oh and the paper that started it all is... controversial:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
So whilst not "random", people should not be self medicating with something when there multiple safe vaccines out there. [Post edited 23 Aug 2021 11:47]
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:47 - Aug 23 with 1931 views | Illinoisblue |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:38 - Aug 23 by Robbie12345 |
It’s not a random drug, it has been proven to be somewhat effective at prevention and reducing symptoms by a range of medical journal articles and has been included in a Oxford University trial on Covid treatments. Sure, it needs further research, as Oxford Uni and others are doing, but signs are promising. If it is proven to be effective, it could be game changing, as you can make a whole batch for a couple pounds, where as the current treatment in the USA costs patients $1000s per dose, which is criminal. |
During the COVID-19 pandemic, the antiparasitic drug ivermectin became a cause célèbre for right-wing figures promoting it as a supposed COVID treatment.[77] Misinformation about ivermectin's efficacy spread widely on social media, fueled by publications that have since been retracted,[78][79] misleading "meta-analysis" websites with substandard methods,[80][81] and conspiracy theories about efforts by governments and scientists to "suppress the evidence."[82][83][84] |  |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:48 - Aug 23 with 1913 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:47 - Aug 23 by Illinoisblue |
During the COVID-19 pandemic, the antiparasitic drug ivermectin became a cause célèbre for right-wing figures promoting it as a supposed COVID treatment.[77] Misinformation about ivermectin's efficacy spread widely on social media, fueled by publications that have since been retracted,[78][79] misleading "meta-analysis" websites with substandard methods,[80][81] and conspiracy theories about efforts by governments and scientists to "suppress the evidence."[82][83][84] |
Yeah, but some GOP leadership have some big shareholdings in these 'alternative' treatments so all is ok there... |  | | |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:53 - Aug 23 with 1892 views | Digger77 |
Not random at all. Used in India to treat the Indian variant. | | | |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 12:04 - Aug 23 with 1858 views | DanTheMan |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:53 - Aug 23 by Digger77 |
Not random at all. Used in India to treat the Indian variant. |
Do you know what else is used for prevention of Covid with much larger clinical trials?
The vaccines.
Which, judging by your post history, you seem to be at the very least sceptical of. What a surprise. | |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 12:37 - Aug 23 with 1760 views | Digger77 |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 12:04 - Aug 23 by DanTheMan |
Do you know what else is used for prevention of Covid with much larger clinical trials?
The vaccines.
Which, judging by your post history, you seem to be at the very least sceptical of. What a surprise. |
Vaccines are not 100% effective against covid. We need to have treatments as well.
To say it's 'random' just isn't true.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-ivermectin-covid-19-coronavirus-masks-anti-scie
I'm double jabbed. | | | |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 12:48 - Aug 23 with 1695 views | DanTheMan |
It's random in the case that it's not an recognised treatment for Covid, and is not being supplied by doctors. People are getting it from livestock suppliers and then basically guessing how much they should be taking.
The WSJ article just repeats the small sample clinical trials. I'm not sure what their point is. Just because a drug or treatment for one illness is useful does not make it useful or safe in other scenarios.
Which is precisely what the FDA are saying, not sure why the WSJ seem to be confused about this (although that article is somewhat outdated)
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin | |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 13:06 - Aug 23 with 1658 views | factual_blue |
I've only read a part of that, but
1. The FDA has warned against using it for treating Covid.
2. It's a reasonable assumption that the scientists at the FDA know what they're talking about.
3. That it's safe to use for the purpose it was developed for is irrelevant.
4. That a group of ten doctors has supported it is irrelevant.
In summary, that article doesn't support your assertion at all. [Post edited 23 Aug 2021 13:30]
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 13:18 - Aug 23 with 1620 views | factual_blue |
I hate to break this news to you, but no medical treatment for anything is ever 100% effective. | |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 18:37 - Aug 23 with 1457 views | HARRY10 |
Random ?
Hardly, in fact it's quite the opposite as those taking it are not taking it by chance.
Theirs is a certainty that this will work - based on what fellow nutters have told them. | | | |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 18:47 - Aug 23 with 1451 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 09:39 - Aug 23 by GeoffSentence |
For a group of people who are concerned about what is being put into their bodies, that seems a strange and inconsistent thing to do.
Reading further down, it turns out that numbers of people are managing to poison themselves with it. |
They’re head cases. Similarly, they won’t believe what medical experts say but will believe some cuckoo nonsense off the internet. Never mind Covid, they first need a cure for stupidity. |  |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 19:00 - Aug 23 with 1434 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 18:47 - Aug 23 by Swansea_Blue |
They’re head cases. Similarly, they won’t believe what medical experts say but will believe some cuckoo nonsense off the internet. Never mind Covid, they first need a cure for stupidity. |
Covid IS a cure for stupidity! | |
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| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 00:32 - Aug 24 with 1327 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 11:53 - Aug 23 by Digger77 |
Not random at all. Used in India to treat the Indian variant. |
Ffs |  | | |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 17:41 - Aug 24 with 1161 views | Bluesky |
A vaccine programme equips your body to attack the virus from the moment it enters your body before it can cause serious illness. Overall, side effects are rare and it works pretty good.
With something like ivermectin you either have to wait until you know you are ill with covid to know you need to take the drug or you take it continually IN CASE you get the virus. Why would you poison yourself unnecessarily with a toxin that has no proven efficacy against covid but which could damage your body long term?
As a vet I accidently injected my hand with a tiny amount of ivermectin whilst dosing a somewhat cross Charolais bull who preferred to be in a field with his heifers. (Waits for inevitable stream of jokes).
I had a painful swelling on my hand for a month. It is not a RANDOM drug it is an extremely potent drug. One millilitre was enough for one hundredweight of bovine.
Antivaxxers mystify me. Does nobody wonder why there are no longer polio victims in our primary schools as there were in the fifties when I was at school? I had two friends die from measles. How did we eradicate smallpox from the world? I could go on What IS wrong with people? Accept the vaccine. You really don't want Covid. It flattened me for months. |  | | |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 20:58 - Aug 24 with 1112 views | eireblue |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 17:41 - Aug 24 by Bluesky |
A vaccine programme equips your body to attack the virus from the moment it enters your body before it can cause serious illness. Overall, side effects are rare and it works pretty good.
With something like ivermectin you either have to wait until you know you are ill with covid to know you need to take the drug or you take it continually IN CASE you get the virus. Why would you poison yourself unnecessarily with a toxin that has no proven efficacy against covid but which could damage your body long term?
As a vet I accidently injected my hand with a tiny amount of ivermectin whilst dosing a somewhat cross Charolais bull who preferred to be in a field with his heifers. (Waits for inevitable stream of jokes).
I had a painful swelling on my hand for a month. It is not a RANDOM drug it is an extremely potent drug. One millilitre was enough for one hundredweight of bovine.
Antivaxxers mystify me. Does nobody wonder why there are no longer polio victims in our primary schools as there were in the fifties when I was at school? I had two friends die from measles. How did we eradicate smallpox from the world? I could go on What IS wrong with people? Accept the vaccine. You really don't want Covid. It flattened me for months. |
Pfffffttt you sound like one of those experty types that likes to flaunt facts around as though they are more important than opinions formed by muh feelings. | | | |
| Ivermectin is the new random drug people are taking instead of a vaccine on 08:32 - Aug 25 with 1014 views | Oldsmoker |
Using Ivermectin to treat Covid falls under the heading of misuse of drugs.
However, there have been many drugs that have been created for one use but have ended up having an alternative use because of a side effect.
Viagra was intended to relax blood vessels around the heart to improve blood flow but the side effect of giving you a stiffy was more profitable.
Listerine mouthwash was originally a surgical antiseptic and later a floor cleaner.
Using drugs in a way that they were not intended for can result in the cure being more deadly than the disease.
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