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At first having a good job was nice, disposable income after years of cr@p jobs. But 8 years of it, watching incompetent people with capital get rich off building teams of skilled people and then flogging it to an early retirement, realising you're just a pawn in a system that rewards privilege more than hard work, dealing with people who think life is nothing but the numbers on an ATM screen and define self worth/motivation. It's really starting to drain me on the inside. The stress and internal office politics on top of that also.
I've always judged life by how happy I am rather than what's in my pocket. I'm doing better financially than ever and honestly I don't think I've ever felt so jaded, miserable and defeated by life. Like I'm trotting along on a train where I don't fit in and heading somewhere I'm really MEH about getting there.
Am I alone in thinking this? I feel like a lot of my close friends align but a lot of them are hippies and punks who are fairly fulfilled in live living the minimalist way with a socialist outlook and rejecting social norms. But is this something the wider world of "normies" also suffer from?
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 09:47 - Oct 22 by monytowbray
Oh, don't get me wrong, I've met some lovely and smart business owners who know what they're doing. But I've also encountered a mix of idiot shareholders and boards who are so cut off from the working day and challenges they make poor choices which in turn cause the business to fail and they come out fine whilst everyone else suffers. Thomas Cook and HMV are good examples of this.
I don't think it helps I've recently watched Sorry To Bother You, Us and that Netflix Explained episode on Billionaires which just add to the narrative of how I'm feeling. This whole idea that we should allow people with money to behave how they like and treat people how they want to because they've paid their dues and we should all aspire to be filthy rich and f*ck people over. I just don't buy into it, I'd happily have less money to live in a fairer world but it seems the general attitude is "This is my step on the ladder and you can all f*ck off getting a hand up." A lot of wealthy people got there by screwing people over or privilege anyway, yet we create this idea that the numbers in their bank somehow dictate their worth and right to be arses.
Perhaps I'm having an early mid life crisis?
'Sorry To Bother You' is a brilliant film, saw it five months ago and I am still thinking on it.
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 10:11 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe
London is seen as the be all and end all by lots, when I have been to school reunions outside of my friends unless you work in London you are almost looked down upon. My job is far more 'exciting' than most with regards to actually doing tangible things but feels like if I worked the night shift at the McDonalds outside Brixton station more people would be interested!
The City is a young mans game for me, I never made it, and do to an extent regret that with the opportunites it can bring, but there is definitely a time to cash your chips in once you get to a certain level and work from home and out of it
I got transferred to London just over 3 years ago, (wasn't my choice basically) i missed out on a lot with my boy which i regret.
I was always dead against going into London, but it isn't too bad, i do 1 week in and 1 week out which helps when i was going in every day it was tough but my commute was 2 hours each way at that point. I've moved now and work have been pretty accommodating, letting me leave to get a fast train where i can.
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Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 12:29 - Oct 22 with 4216 views
I feel exactly the same. My last job destroyed me. Now I get by in a situation which isn't sustainable but I will need to return to a normal job in the first half of next year (probably). What is my motivation to go back? Crap wage, someone else owning the peak hours of my time five days a week and answering to cretins and arseholes (in my experience).
I don't want to be rich. I want to be free. One thing which makes me even more bitter to be honest is that i'm surrounded by people who work for daddy's company. I'm not suggesting everyone who works for family are the same but the people I know work part time hours, answer to no one, have virtually unlimited time off and get paid a very decent wage for it. Then they have the nerve to question your outlook. Some people live in a different world.
Someone mentioned people in London asking what you do before asking your name. It's the same everywhere. Your job is your identity. Even on the chase they ask your profession rather than your hobbies and interests (something more likely to give clues of how you'll perform).
Like you, I would like to opt out of the system but it's not possible. I'm lucky to have been able to do it for a couple of years but soon i'll be back in interviews with people ten years younger than me deciding if i'm worth the peanuts they are offering. Can't wait.
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 12:29 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE
I feel exactly the same. My last job destroyed me. Now I get by in a situation which isn't sustainable but I will need to return to a normal job in the first half of next year (probably). What is my motivation to go back? Crap wage, someone else owning the peak hours of my time five days a week and answering to cretins and arseholes (in my experience).
I don't want to be rich. I want to be free. One thing which makes me even more bitter to be honest is that i'm surrounded by people who work for daddy's company. I'm not suggesting everyone who works for family are the same but the people I know work part time hours, answer to no one, have virtually unlimited time off and get paid a very decent wage for it. Then they have the nerve to question your outlook. Some people live in a different world.
Someone mentioned people in London asking what you do before asking your name. It's the same everywhere. Your job is your identity. Even on the chase they ask your profession rather than your hobbies and interests (something more likely to give clues of how you'll perform).
Like you, I would like to opt out of the system but it's not possible. I'm lucky to have been able to do it for a couple of years but soon i'll be back in interviews with people ten years younger than me deciding if i'm worth the peanuts they are offering. Can't wait.
Oh don't be on such a downer buh. The world is your lobster :) You don't have to go back into something you don't like doing if you don't want to. What about picking up a new skill, or moving out of Ipswich or even the UK?
Failing that you could do that fing what Michael Douglas did in Falling Down.
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Wait until you throw kids into the mix and then you don't have the time to do anything you want to do (or rarely), then it gets worse. Not that I'm trying to depress you or anything!
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 12:43 - Oct 22 by monytowbray
Maybe, although I could take my skills freelance and although I’d still be working for them they wouldn’t be the boss of me which would be easier.
Isn't that the arch example of capitalism though? Taking your skill and then exploiting it to the maximum, charging as much for it as possible and becoming that hated individual on the next step up the ladder?
On your OP, I think you've made some points which are very relevant to today's world. I think things are changing, albeit quite slowly, but companies are taking onboard factors like mental health and family time when making policy. WFH will become even more normal over the next decade as will better work conditions. I don't think the general model is going to change anytime soon though unless there is a big social movement for it and a party willing to make some very bold decisions.
I fully understand the current system doesn't work for everyone though.
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 12:53 - Oct 22 by StokieBlue
Isn't that the arch example of capitalism though? Taking your skill and then exploiting it to the maximum, charging as much for it as possible and becoming that hated individual on the next step up the ladder?
On your OP, I think you've made some points which are very relevant to today's world. I think things are changing, albeit quite slowly, but companies are taking onboard factors like mental health and family time when making policy. WFH will become even more normal over the next decade as will better work conditions. I don't think the general model is going to change anytime soon though unless there is a big social movement for it and a party willing to make some very bold decisions.
I fully understand the current system doesn't work for everyone though.
SB
Or... You could say freelance is me getting paid what I’m worth. I’d likely be charging less than what a lot of my ex employers charged clients for my expertise, just taking my fair cut.
Callis - you’re are just a decent human being with solid morals. The world is broken and governed by individuals who are morally corrupt and have been raised on greed and power. We’re made to feel failures if we’re not parting with a significant chunk of our salary for the latest lump of metal to sit rusting on our driveways, or posting insta pics of most remote tropical island.
Don’t let the system get you down, we’re only here for a spec of time and time is the only genuine asset we have. You are not alone, in fact you’re in the overwhelming majority.
#SellUpMarcusEvans
#LambertOUT
// Sent from my iphone - which explains all the felling spuck ups
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 12:55 - Oct 22 by monytowbray
Or... You could say freelance is me getting paid what I’m worth. I’d likely be charging less than what a lot of my ex employers charged clients for my expertise, just taking my fair cut.
That's also a fair way of looking at it, certainly in our current system and it's probably a good way forward for you given your opening post - good luck if you decide to take that route.
As a more abstract concept though, going freelance in the first place might be difficult in a non-capitalist economy wouldn't it?
SB
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Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 13:15 - Oct 22 with 4013 views
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 12:02 - Oct 22 by longtimefan
When I first started work the official hours were a 42.5 hr working week, but that was it! Now its officially 37.5 hrs but lucky if its works out less than 50
I did 70+ hours a week (City stuff) for around 15 years, but got out in my early 50s to do stuff I wanted to do. Colleagues thought I was mad to quit when there was good money to be made, but, some years on, I can honestly say I have no regrets at all. They have more expensive houses, much more expensive cars, spend loads in decent restaurants. I have freedom and happiness.
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Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 13:18 - Oct 22 with 3997 views
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 10:43 - Oct 22 by monytowbray
I'm not bitter or resentful of anyone with money. I've never really cared much about what others are doing in life unless if affects me or others unfairly. I have nothing to whinge about with my salary (beyond the usual challenges my generation face like the likelihood of owning property), just personally feel deflated.
I don't think being single and working 40 hours a week is good for anyone. We need to sack that off ASAP. There's not enough time in the day to work, cook, do chores, stay in shape, rest and do fun things, particularly when you're struggling to motivate as it is. That system is a dated idea based on everyone being married young and having free labour (usually a wife, yay patriarchy) at home to do it all. How working couples with kids cope is beyond me, but it seems a fair amount basically don't. A recent Twitter thread I saw confirmed I'm not alone in feeling that way.
Depends really what you want in life, you have the option of earning enough to live on or you have the choice to try and earn and achieve more. No one forces you what to do but you can’t just expect the moon on a stick.
40 hours isn’t excessive.
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Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 13:31 - Oct 22 with 3970 views
The best advice I can give to you, if you don't already do it, do some volunteer work for a cause that you feel strongly about. If you don't think that you have the time to do it find it and you will feel a while lot better about you and your world.
With the t0ssers we've got attempting to fack up this country there's plenty of needy causes out there.
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Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 13:31 - Oct 22 with 3965 views
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 12:29 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE
I feel exactly the same. My last job destroyed me. Now I get by in a situation which isn't sustainable but I will need to return to a normal job in the first half of next year (probably). What is my motivation to go back? Crap wage, someone else owning the peak hours of my time five days a week and answering to cretins and arseholes (in my experience).
I don't want to be rich. I want to be free. One thing which makes me even more bitter to be honest is that i'm surrounded by people who work for daddy's company. I'm not suggesting everyone who works for family are the same but the people I know work part time hours, answer to no one, have virtually unlimited time off and get paid a very decent wage for it. Then they have the nerve to question your outlook. Some people live in a different world.
Someone mentioned people in London asking what you do before asking your name. It's the same everywhere. Your job is your identity. Even on the chase they ask your profession rather than your hobbies and interests (something more likely to give clues of how you'll perform).
Like you, I would like to opt out of the system but it's not possible. I'm lucky to have been able to do it for a couple of years but soon i'll be back in interviews with people ten years younger than me deciding if i'm worth the peanuts they are offering. Can't wait.
There will always be room at sixth form gardening club for you J2....
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Haven't much to add to the many excellent posts above, but I've twice found myself sacking off cr*p office jobs for pretty much these reasons and being much happier. First time I went abroad for a few years to teach English in Eastern Europe, basically part time but the weak local economy and getting paid in pounds meant I was still able to live better than I had done at home.
Second time was after I came back - managed six months before the sheer pointlessness of that particular job led to me leaving to start my own business, which despite the physical effort and time invested doesn't feel half so much like "work" in the same sense (helps that I basically don't ever have to interact with the public too).
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 13:18 - Oct 22 by Mugwump
Depends really what you want in life, you have the option of earning enough to live on or you have the choice to try and earn and achieve more. No one forces you what to do but you can’t just expect the moon on a stick.
40 hours isn’t excessive.
40 hours is 8 hours a day, five days a week. I know that isn't news to anyone but lets assume 9-6 each day with an hour for lunch. That is five days a week where work dominates your life. I'm not suggesting we should all be able to sit around doing nothing but I can see why the grind gets people down week after week doing a job they hate, living for the weekends which go by all too quickly.
40 hours might not be 'excessive' but it's a decent chunk of your time every year for your peak living years.
Out of interest, do you mind if I ask if you like your job and how many hours a week you work on average?
Eight years! Is that all! So around 40 years of the same left then? No, seriously you raise points that I think most of us have pondered at one time or another. I've found voluntary work helps. I worked as a Samaritan for a decade, then coached a kids footy team for around a dozen years. All healthy for your mind (well some of the Samaritans stuff wasn't always good for your mind!!)
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Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 14:04 - Oct 22 with 3860 views
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 13:35 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE
40 hours is 8 hours a day, five days a week. I know that isn't news to anyone but lets assume 9-6 each day with an hour for lunch. That is five days a week where work dominates your life. I'm not suggesting we should all be able to sit around doing nothing but I can see why the grind gets people down week after week doing a job they hate, living for the weekends which go by all too quickly.
40 hours might not be 'excessive' but it's a decent chunk of your time every year for your peak living years.
Out of interest, do you mind if I ask if you like your job and how many hours a week you work on average?
Indeed. Not to mention getting to and from said job, plus going over those hours to get stuff done (how many people get to leave on the dot every day?)
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 14:04 - Oct 22 by BrixtonBlue
Indeed. Not to mention getting to and from said job, plus going over those hours to get stuff done (how many people get to leave on the dot every day?)
I got called a clock watcher for starting at 9 and leaving at 5:30 every day. I had done my work because I worked when I was supposed to. Apparently it was office etiquette to ask around at the end of the day if anyone needed any help. Apparently my colleague, the office sad case, who spent half the day on the phone to girls he had never seen in Manchester etc asking if they wanted a copy of his CD and some chocolate sent to them needed my help to get his work done.
Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 14:19 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE
I got called a clock watcher for starting at 9 and leaving at 5:30 every day. I had done my work because I worked when I was supposed to. Apparently it was office etiquette to ask around at the end of the day if anyone needed any help. Apparently my colleague, the office sad case, who spent half the day on the phone to girls he had never seen in Manchester etc asking if they wanted a copy of his CD and some chocolate sent to them needed my help to get his work done.
What was your employer's response when you raised this with them?
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Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 13:35 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE
40 hours is 8 hours a day, five days a week. I know that isn't news to anyone but lets assume 9-6 each day with an hour for lunch. That is five days a week where work dominates your life. I'm not suggesting we should all be able to sit around doing nothing but I can see why the grind gets people down week after week doing a job they hate, living for the weekends which go by all too quickly.
40 hours might not be 'excessive' but it's a decent chunk of your time every year for your peak living years.
Out of interest, do you mind if I ask if you like your job and how many hours a week you work on average?
I don’t mind my job. If I didn’t like it I’d get another one, it’s not that hard to find work if you want it. I usually work about 50 hours a week.
I work in recruitment and some of the people we try and find work for - well it beggars belief!
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Does anyone else just find capitalism in general massively depressing? on 14:27 - Oct 22 with 3796 views
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