| Haringey and us 19:46 - Oct 20 with 22235 views | ChateauWines |
I have just spoken to Club Secretary.
Driving back from Accrington this afternoon I have considered hard what to do about what I heard on terraces today not for the first time. I've been going to football for over 40 years and dont consider myself a snowflake. I also consider the overwhelming majority of our away supporters amongst the best in the land and am proud to consider myself a Tractor Boy.
However....
After the events in Sofia last week and then disturbingly at Haringey involving Yeovil supporters, a certain song mentioned on another thread on here about one of our own players was sung by a small group of 10 or so several times today. It made myself squirm a little as it did others around me. I considered saying something but chickened out, then considered drawing it to attention of a steward or policeman. Thinking that would bring terrible publicity for club I stood and ignored it. It never got going as a song and am sure players didn't hear. Driving home I listened to Haringey manager talking on radio saying supporters should shop others doing and saying these things. I wish now I had stepped up.
What should I do guys?
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| Haringey and us on 09:11 - Oct 22 with 2999 views | SitfcB |
| Haringey and us on 07:21 - Oct 22 by StokieBlue |
Because you're helping to perpetuate the myth that it's not racist when it clearly is by definition.
You've even up voting his nonsense.
SB [Post edited 22 Oct 2019 7:24]
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I was just saying what Toto has said himself. |  |
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| Haringey and us on 09:13 - Oct 22 with 2982 views | SitfcB |
| Haringey and us on 23:31 - Oct 20 by pelles321 |
I find your response puzzling. You were the first to respond (almost instantaneously) when I made a similar point about not liking this chant after the Gillingham game. Again you said the subject was boring and had already been discussed, whilst then seemingly continuing to justify its existence.
If you find the subject so boring, why do you continue being the first to comment? Or do you not find the subject boring, and actually have a strong opinion that this chant is acceptable, and therefore dismiss those of us who are putting pressure on fellow supporters to reflect on its connotations? |
The whole debate is boring as it’s been done to death on here many times already.
Some people think it’s racist some don’t.
It’s a sh!t song that’s all. | |
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| Haringey and us on 09:23 - Oct 22 with 2962 views | StokieBlue |
| Haringey and us on 09:11 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
I was just saying what Toto has said himself. |
You've totally missed the point - someone else covered it (can't remember who) but what exactly is he supposed to say? He wants to be in with the fans so it's unlikely he's going to say "actually, it's a racist song and the fans singing it are idiots".
Historically that has been the response for individuals put in the position Toto has been put in - we know this from scores of evidence.
It needs to be called out as racist. The club have asked fans not to sing it. I don't really understand your position here.
SB [Post edited 22 Oct 2019 9:24]
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| Haringey and us on 09:24 - Oct 22 with 2955 views | crunchie1978 |
| Haringey and us on 08:58 - Oct 22 by GlasgowBlue |
The use of the word gammon is racial stereotyping but it’s not a stereotype that is aimed at people who have been persecuted and discriminated against for hundreds of years. |
In the words of one Stephen Patrick....
'What difference does it make'?
Surely racism is racism? | | | |
| Haringey and us on 09:26 - Oct 22 with 2949 views | JakeITFC |
| Haringey and us on 09:13 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
The whole debate is boring as it’s been done to death on here many times already.
Some people think it’s racist some don’t.
It’s a sh!t song that’s all. |
It’s quite important that this isn’t the attitude though mate.
It allows things that shouldn’t said/sung/whatever else to be normalised and carry on when they shouldn’t, and whether we like it or not, stuff that gets sung by our fans at grounds is representative of us all. |  | | |
| Haringey and us on 10:12 - Oct 22 with 2910 views | Swailsey |
| Haringey and us on 09:13 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
The whole debate is boring as it’s been done to death on here many times already.
Some people think it’s racist some don’t.
It’s a sh!t song that’s all. |
Racism is boring?
Your attitude to this isn’t great dude. |  |
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| Haringey and us on 10:18 - Oct 22 with 2900 views | ChateauWines |
| Haringey and us on 09:26 - Oct 22 by JakeITFC |
It’s quite important that this isn’t the attitude though mate.
It allows things that shouldn’t said/sung/whatever else to be normalised and carry on when they shouldn’t, and whether we like it or not, stuff that gets sung by our fans at grounds is representative of us all. |
All this debate has done is make me more determined to see this matter dealt with. If you see a sensitive snowflake confronting anyone who sings it at Saufen on saturday that will be me. I hope I will be backed up by the decent majority | |
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| Haringey and us on 10:20 - Oct 22 with 2890 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Haringey and us on 09:24 - Oct 22 by crunchie1978 |
In the words of one Stephen Patrick....
'What difference does it make'?
Surely racism is racism? |
Morrissey probably isn't the best person to quote on this thread mate. |  |
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| Haringey and us on 10:27 - Oct 22 with 2880 views | SitfcB |
| Haringey and us on 10:12 - Oct 22 by Swailsey |
Racism is boring?
Your attitude to this isn’t great dude. |
Do you work for The Sun?
Twisting my words.
Not sure where I said that... | |
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| Haringey and us on 10:32 - Oct 22 with 2870 views | Swailsey |
| Haringey and us on 10:27 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
Do you work for The Sun?
Twisting my words.
Not sure where I said that... |
You said a debate about racism is boring, although I admit I’m being a bit facetious.
If you had said: “This debate is boring. It’s clearly racist, move on”, that would be different.
But you’re not, despite numerous people pointing out why it is racist - including posters, Admin and the Kick it Out Campaign. It just seems a strange hill to die on? | |
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| Haringey and us on 11:11 - Oct 22 with 2815 views | SE1blue |
| Haringey and us on 10:27 - Oct 22 by SitfcB |
Do you work for The Sun?
Twisting my words.
Not sure where I said that... |
I think your choice of words was poor and you might need to think about the bigger picture, rather than your own feelings (that you find talking about it boring) on the matter.
I find the countless political threads on here, 'boring', but it's something people are passionate about and often raises perspectives I've not thought about or thought were irrelevant to me.
Clearly, this song and the potential racism linked to it, is a massive issue for people attending games, or for those hearing about it second hand. Racism is a massive issue for my family and friends and, although I am white, because of what I see what songs like this do to my family and friends, I feel passionately about this one.
Whether you find talking about it boring or not, there is a much bigger situation at hand and the world is currently in a situation where it does need people to say where things are unacceptable and not just put it down as 'boring' as it may not affect them. |  |
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| Haringey and us on 11:27 - Oct 22 with 2777 views | crunchie1978 |
| Haringey and us on 10:20 - Oct 22 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Morrissey probably isn't the best person to quote on this thread mate. |
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| Haringey and us on 11:47 - Oct 22 with 2758 views | Sikamikanico |
Hear is very well in S6 and its an embarrassing song that plays to a racial stereotype. As it plays to a racial stereotype it is racist.
A couple rows ahead of my in S6 there are a group of teenagers who sit with their dads and the kids sing the song loudly and giggling, no doubt because it includes words such as c*** and f******, How long before this song normalises racial stereotyping for the kids? | | | |
| Haringey and us on 13:16 - Oct 22 with 2679 views | GaryCooper |
| Haringey and us on 11:47 - Oct 22 by Sikamikanico |
Hear is very well in S6 and its an embarrassing song that plays to a racial stereotype. As it plays to a racial stereotype it is racist.
A couple rows ahead of my in S6 there are a group of teenagers who sit with their dads and the kids sing the song loudly and giggling, no doubt because it includes words such as c*** and f******, How long before this song normalises racial stereotyping for the kids? |
Racial stereo typing is clearly racist, I for one am looking forward to the unanimity of the board next time the shadow home secretary uses racial stereotypes. |  | | |
| Haringey and us on 13:40 - Oct 22 with 2645 views | SpruceMoose |
| Haringey and us on 13:16 - Oct 22 by GaryCooper |
Racial stereo typing is clearly racist, I for one am looking forward to the unanimity of the board next time the shadow home secretary uses racial stereotypes. |
Which ones in particular? |  |
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| Haringey and us on 15:37 - Oct 22 with 2599 views | ChateauWines |
I have just spoken to Club Secretary and statement will be made later and announcement over the PA system before tomorrows game regarding racism and the clubs stance. Thanks for all who have supported me over last couple of days. Those who have sung the song and those who felt it was doing no harm will now I hope, accept that that is not the consensus of opinion. COYB | |
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| Haringey and us on 15:55 - Oct 22 with 2571 views | MaySixth |
What was sung? |  |
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| Haringey and us on 16:54 - Oct 22 with 2524 views | yesjohn99 |
| Haringey and us on 15:37 - Oct 22 by ChateauWines |
I have just spoken to Club Secretary and statement will be made later and announcement over the PA system before tomorrows game regarding racism and the clubs stance. Thanks for all who have supported me over last couple of days. Those who have sung the song and those who felt it was doing no harm will now I hope, accept that that is not the consensus of opinion. COYB |
What was said in relation to our club captain Luke Chambers? | | | |
| Haringey and us on 17:08 - Oct 22 with 2501 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Haringey and us on 16:54 - Oct 22 by yesjohn99 |
What was said in relation to our club captain Luke Chambers? |
Six match ban with Toto in the team in his place. A few more performances like Saturday’s should ensure that his cock will no longer be the subject of any songs they sing about him. |  |
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| Haringey and us on 17:10 - Oct 22 with 2495 views | PJH |
| Haringey and us on 17:08 - Oct 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Six match ban with Toto in the team in his place. A few more performances like Saturday’s should ensure that his cock will no longer be the subject of any songs they sing about him. |
His cock ups might be though.
It was Sunday on Sunday though. |  | | |
| Haringey and us on 17:26 - Oct 22 with 2459 views | textbackup |
| Haringey and us on 17:08 - Oct 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Six match ban with Toto in the team in his place. A few more performances like Saturday’s should ensure that his cock will no longer be the subject of any songs they sing about him. |
an inch to be removed with every mistake...... |  |
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| Haringey and us on 17:31 - Oct 22 with 2442 views | ChateauWines |
| Haringey and us on 16:54 - Oct 22 by yesjohn99 |
What was said in relation to our club captain Luke Chambers? |
He no longer has it on his phone | |
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| Haringey and us on 14:06 - Oct 23 with 2277 views | chorltonskylineblue |
| Haringey and us on 07:15 - Oct 21 by yesjohn99 |
Is this the song that mentions toto’s man parts?
Silly poor song but really doesn’t constitute racist chanting does it? |
Yes it does. These songs are only sung about black players and are based on an age old racist trope about black men. Ask yourself why such songs are never sung about white players. [Post edited 23 Oct 2019 14:24]
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| Haringey and us on 14:08 - Oct 23 with 2268 views | chorltonskylineblue |
| Haringey and us on 07:15 - Oct 21 by yesjohn99 |
Is this the song that mentions toto’s man parts?
Silly poor song but really doesn’t constitute racist chanting does it? |
Yes it does. These songs are only ever sung about black players and tie into an old racist trope about black men. Ask yourself why these songs are never sung about white players? | | | |
| Haringey and us on 15:50 - Oct 23 with 2190 views | PJH |
| Haringey and us on 14:08 - Oct 23 by chorltonskylineblue |
Yes it does. These songs are only ever sung about black players and tie into an old racist trope about black men. Ask yourself why these songs are never sung about white players? |
Similar to what I said on the other thread on the subject-the poll one. | | | |
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