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So, that Boris bounce? 07:53 - Aug 2 with 3281 views

Brecon & Radnorshire, result:

LDEM: 43.5% (+14.3)
CON: 39.0% (-9.6)
BREX: 10.5% (+10.5)
LAB: 5.3% (-12.5)
MRLP: 1.0% (+1.0)
UKIP: 0.8% (-0.6)
— Britain Elects (@britainelects) August 2, 2019

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:56 - Aug 2 with 1371 views

BloomBlue

What happen to the Greens and the Welsh party? Bit strange nobody from the Welsh party stood in a Welsh constituency.

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:57 - Aug 2 with 1366 views

DanTheMan

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:56 - Aug 2 by BloomBlue
What happen to the Greens and the Welsh party? Bit strange nobody from the Welsh party stood in a Welsh constituency.

They didn't run because they didn't want to split the vote.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 07:59 - Aug 2 with 1356 views

BloomBlue

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:57 - Aug 2 by DanTheMan
They didn't run because they didn't want to split the vote.

Oh, but I assume they would in a GE? Or are they planning to do the same in a GE?

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:59 - Aug 2 with 1348 views

26_Paz

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:56 - Aug 2 by BloomBlue
What happen to the Greens and the Welsh party? Bit strange nobody from the Welsh party stood in a Welsh constituency.

Alliance of whingers. Con / Brexit alliance would have beaten them.

The Paz Man

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:03 - Aug 2 with 1333 views

Herbivore

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:59 - Aug 2 by 26_Paz
Alliance of whingers. Con / Brexit alliance would have beaten them.

But there is no Conservative/Brexit alliance so it's a moot point. The Lib Dems are a remain party and they've just won a by election in an area that voted leave in 2016. It weakens Boris' government by reducing their majority to one and it shows him there's no mandate for the no deal Brexit he's pursuing.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:05 - Aug 2 with 1326 views

Guthrum

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:59 - Aug 2 by BloomBlue
Oh, but I assume they would in a GE? Or are they planning to do the same in a GE?

Swinson, the new leader of the LibDems, is in favour of making agreements with other parties during elections. It was part of her platform. A General Election is no different to a by-election, they both result in seats in the Commons.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:06 - Aug 2 with 1321 views

ElderGrizzly

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:03 - Aug 2 by Herbivore
But there is no Conservative/Brexit alliance so it's a moot point. The Lib Dems are a remain party and they've just won a by election in an area that voted leave in 2016. It weakens Boris' government by reducing their majority to one and it shows him there's no mandate for the no deal Brexit he's pursuing.

The Brexit Party have committed to standing in every seat, so they will cannibalise the Tory vote. Shame....

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:07 - Aug 2 with 1314 views

ElderGrizzly

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:03 - Aug 2 by Herbivore
But there is no Conservative/Brexit alliance so it's a moot point. The Lib Dems are a remain party and they've just won a by election in an area that voted leave in 2016. It weakens Boris' government by reducing their majority to one and it shows him there's no mandate for the no deal Brexit he's pursuing.

And 6 Tory MPs likely to defect before they return after the summer recess. Poor Boris ðŸ˜¬

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:07 - Aug 2 with 1311 views

Nthsuffolkblue

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:03 - Aug 2 by Herbivore
But there is no Conservative/Brexit alliance so it's a moot point. The Lib Dems are a remain party and they've just won a by election in an area that voted leave in 2016. It weakens Boris' government by reducing their majority to one and it shows him there's no mandate for the no deal Brexit he's pursuing.

That said, by-elections are notorious for going against the party in power.

However, the bigger question is, when an MP has been recalled by their constituency for fiddling their expenses, why is the party putting them up again for election? Is there an argument that some of this result is a vote against the corruption in parliament?

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:10 - Aug 2 with 1297 views

Herbivore

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:07 - Aug 2 by Nthsuffolkblue
That said, by-elections are notorious for going against the party in power. However, the bigger question is, when an MP has been recalled by their constituency for fiddling their expenses, why is the party putting them up again for election? Is there an argument that some of this result is a vote against the corruption in parliament?

Often some of that is down to low turnout, those that voted for the ruling party don't turn up. This was the highest turnout in a by election in over 20 years. I think it's a significant result for an unequivocally remain party to win a seat from the Tories in a constituency that was pro-leave.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:16 - Aug 2 with 1285 views

Guthrum

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:03 - Aug 2 by Herbivore
But there is no Conservative/Brexit alliance so it's a moot point. The Lib Dems are a remain party and they've just won a by election in an area that voted leave in 2016. It weakens Boris' government by reducing their majority to one and it shows him there's no mandate for the no deal Brexit he's pursuing.

Neither is there likely to be a Con-BP alliance. It would split both parties (those angry at Tory "betrayal of Brexit" at one end and Conservative moderates on the other). Plus it would dilute Farage's prominence (as per Clegg in the Coalition) at the same time as setting him up as a PR rival for Johnson.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:17 - Aug 2 with 1284 views

jimmyvet

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:03 - Aug 2 by Herbivore
But there is no Conservative/Brexit alliance so it's a moot point. The Lib Dems are a remain party and they've just won a by election in an area that voted leave in 2016. It weakens Boris' government by reducing their majority to one and it shows him there's no mandate for the no deal Brexit he's pursuing.

The remainders think they won the leavers think they won and you could argue a case for both and that’s why we are in such a muddle. The 1 party who have had another disaster as expected is Labour.

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:21 - Aug 2 with 1268 views

britbiker

So, that Boris bounce? on 07:59 - Aug 2 by 26_Paz
Alliance of whingers. Con / Brexit alliance would have beaten them.

Bit ironic that the Brexit Party standing has taken votes from Conservative, which has then allowed a remain party to win. Basically helping the opposite to happen to what they stand for. Mind you, in what world did the Tories think allowing a cliam fraudster to restand would be a good idea.

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:24 - Aug 2 with 1259 views

26_Paz

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:17 - Aug 2 by jimmyvet
The remainders think they won the leavers think they won and you could argue a case for both and that’s why we are in such a muddle. The 1 party who have had another disaster as expected is Labour.

Very good point mate. If you add up Con, Brex and UKIP and compare it to the combined vote of Lib Dem and Labour (who I'm loosely classifying as a 'Remain' party) you couldn't get a fag paper between it, hence we're in the mess we are in.

The Paz Man

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:26 - Aug 2 with 1252 views

itfcjoe

Good to see - will help them realise a Remain Alliance can work for the GE - it needed this

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:26 - Aug 2 with 1248 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:10 - Aug 2 by Herbivore
Often some of that is down to low turnout, those that voted for the ruling party don't turn up. This was the highest turnout in a by election in over 20 years. I think it's a significant result for an unequivocally remain party to win a seat from the Tories in a constituency that was pro-leave.

And yet turn out for the referendum was 74.4%.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results/local/p

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:27 - Aug 2 with 1244 views

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So, that Boris bounce? on 07:59 - Aug 2 by 26_Paz
Alliance of whingers. Con / Brexit alliance would have beaten them.

Surely a BoJo/Farage alliance is enough to send even the sanest tory voters running for the hills?

DUP/Brexit/Tory: Wowzers.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:27 - Aug 2 with 1241 views

Herbivore

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:26 - Aug 2 by BanksterDebtSlave
And yet turn out for the referendum was 74.4%. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results/local/p

And?

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:28 - Aug 2 with 1228 views

Swansea_Blue

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:05 - Aug 2 by Guthrum
Swinson, the new leader of the LibDems, is in favour of making agreements with other parties during elections. It was part of her platform. A General Election is no different to a by-election, they both result in seats in the Commons.

Adam Price has also said they will work together in the event of Boris calling a snap GE.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:28 - Aug 2 with 1229 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:27 - Aug 2 by Herbivore
And?

Purely for information.

Edit ....also counters your assertion that the constituency WAS pro Leave....it probably still is!

[Post edited 2 Aug 2019 8:30]

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:31 - Aug 2 with 1212 views

26_Paz

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:27 - Aug 2 by artsbossbeard
Surely a BoJo/Farage alliance is enough to send even the sanest tory voters running for the hills? DUP/Brexit/Tory: Wowzers.

That's the dream mate. Here's hoping!

The Paz Man

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:33 - Aug 2 with 1204 views

StokieBlue

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:28 - Aug 2 by BanksterDebtSlave
Purely for information. Edit ....also counters your assertion that the constituency WAS pro Leave....it probably still is! [Post edited 2 Aug 2019 8:30]

Then why didn't they come out and vote to ensure our happens?

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:34 - Aug 2 with 1192 views

Herbivore

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:28 - Aug 2 by BanksterDebtSlave
Purely for information. Edit ....also counters your assertion that the constituency WAS pro Leave....it probably still is! [Post edited 2 Aug 2019 8:30]

It was an utterly irrelevant post, that stat has no bearing on anything to do with this discussion. Your edit is also pure speculation really, what we know is a heavily pro-Remain party has just won the by election, though of course parliamentary elections should be and are decided by more than just a single issue.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:35 - Aug 2 with 1184 views

Herbivore

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:31 - Aug 2 by 26_Paz
That's the dream mate. Here's hoping!

More a nightmare than a dream.

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So, that Boris bounce? on 08:35 - Aug 2 with 1187 views

ElderGrizzly

So, that Boris bounce? on 08:26 - Aug 2 by itfcjoe
Good to see - will help them realise a Remain Alliance can work for the GE - it needed this

And already in other marginal seats, discussions have started to repeat this outcome.

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