| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:16 - Nov 12 with 2543 views | Plums |
Boris is responsible for Vote Leave; he’ll sink with them. He’s a flag of convenience until the Brexit disaster is done and he’ll be out on his ear. The loss of +50k lives overseen by the worst and most incompetent and corrupt government in living memory will be his epitaph.
Shame on all the sheep who put them in this position of power.
We’re seeing the end of the cult, it’s just going to cost a few more people their lives while they fight it out. Despicable people. [Post edited 12 Nov 2020 8:17]
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:54 - Nov 12 with 2454 views | bluelagos |
If Cummings were to go, this would go down as a rather amazing week all in. Cant see it though, not with the Brexit deal being negotiated as we speak.
Whether he's still there in 3 months time though... |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:01 - Nov 12 with 2437 views | Steve_M |
Two very obvious observations on all that:
1. What a bunch of self-interested coo nts.
2. It's not really surprise that a Vote Leave government, that won the referendum only with egregious lies and spin, is inept at governing.
The country is collateral damage beneath these overgrown public schoolboy egos. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:06 - Nov 12 with 2413 views | itfcjoe |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:16 - Nov 12 by Plums |
Boris is responsible for Vote Leave; he’ll sink with them. He’s a flag of convenience until the Brexit disaster is done and he’ll be out on his ear. The loss of +50k lives overseen by the worst and most incompetent and corrupt government in living memory will be his epitaph.
Shame on all the sheep who put them in this position of power.
We’re seeing the end of the cult, it’s just going to cost a few more people their lives while they fight it out. Despicable people. [Post edited 12 Nov 2020 8:17]
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Boris strikes me as someone in a film who has used the mafia to get into a position of power, and now they will always control him - they will always want more, it will never be enough |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:12 - Nov 12 with 2399 views | Guthrum |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:01 - Nov 12 by Steve_M |
Two very obvious observations on all that:
1. What a bunch of self-interested coo nts.
2. It's not really surprise that a Vote Leave government, that won the referendum only with egregious lies and spin, is inept at governing.
The country is collateral damage beneath these overgrown public schoolboy egos. |
Like so many revolutionaries, Cummings et al are finding it's much easier to attack from the outside than running them from within.
Johnson at least has experience in a senior leadership role (as Mayor of London) and will naturally quickly tire once he's achieved his objective (becoming PM) and the shenanigans become more destructive than useful. Doubt he feels much geuine loyalty to them, especially as they all sound such prickly and foul-tempered personalities. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:18 - Nov 12 with 2377 views | Dyland |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:12 - Nov 12 by Guthrum |
Like so many revolutionaries, Cummings et al are finding it's much easier to attack from the outside than running them from within.
Johnson at least has experience in a senior leadership role (as Mayor of London) and will naturally quickly tire once he's achieved his objective (becoming PM) and the shenanigans become more destructive than useful. Doubt he feels much geuine loyalty to them, especially as they all sound such prickly and foul-tempered personalities. |
They all deserve each other innit. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:24 - Nov 12 with 2353 views | hype313 |
Tory civil war was always on the cards with someone like Bojo at the helm, it's just been expedited by this years events, not great given Labour are and are about to embark on their own civil war.
I'm actively looking for opportunities abroad, obviously difficult at the moment, but I'm in no doubt my career would be far more stable out of this country rather than in. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:25 - Nov 12 with 2347 views | GlasgowBlue |
You mean Carrie is trying to wrestle back control. Boris is dick lead. Always has been. Always will be. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:25 - Nov 12 with 2347 views | itfcjoe |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:24 - Nov 12 by hype313 |
Tory civil war was always on the cards with someone like Bojo at the helm, it's just been expedited by this years events, not great given Labour are and are about to embark on their own civil war.
I'm actively looking for opportunities abroad, obviously difficult at the moment, but I'm in no doubt my career would be far more stable out of this country rather than in. |
I don't think the civil war will happen in Labour, the left of the party if they continue will just be cut off and go back to the SWP, or CND | |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:25 - Nov 12 with 2346 views | Swansea_Blue |
They're like a cancer attacking our governance institutions and systems, destroying all they come into contact with. It's going to be a long road to repair the damage they're making.
I suspect people are getting a bit over excited if they think Cummings will walk. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:26 - Nov 12 with 2344 views | itfcjoe |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:25 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
You mean Carrie is trying to wrestle back control. Boris is dick lead. Always has been. Always will be. |
This bit was interesting on that - implying Vote Leave leaked that:
BRIEFING WARS: Right on cue, Kuenssberg tweeted at Wednesday lunchtime that Johnson’s fiancée, former Tory Director of Communications Carrie Symonds, was opposing Cain’s appointment. The remarkable briefing caused a fresh round of suspicion against the Vote Leave faction. One minister told Playbook they were in a state of “disbelief” that someone in government was briefing against Johnson’s partner. And a SpAd claimed: “This is clearly just a last-ditch attempt to embarrass the PM into appointing Lee, by implying that if he doesn’t he’s weak and just does whatever his girlfriend says. Rather sexist if you ask me.” | |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:32 - Nov 12 with 2335 views | Dyland |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:16 - Nov 12 by Plums |
Boris is responsible for Vote Leave; he’ll sink with them. He’s a flag of convenience until the Brexit disaster is done and he’ll be out on his ear. The loss of +50k lives overseen by the worst and most incompetent and corrupt government in living memory will be his epitaph.
Shame on all the sheep who put them in this position of power.
We’re seeing the end of the cult, it’s just going to cost a few more people their lives while they fight it out. Despicable people. [Post edited 12 Nov 2020 8:17]
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Agree with this, except I don't think the cult or its support in the electorate is going away anytime soon. Self interest pervades across the population. I include myself of course.
We - and it is "we", and a struggle between "us and them", a struggle to convince them to believe us - must not be complacent. It's naive to think people who vote for Trump or Leave or whatever are just stupid or bigots. Some are, but most are just voting for economic self interest. They may not be right, but the majority are not turkeys voting for Christmas. That view is ignorant and self defeating, being too easy to attack without getting to the heart of the issue.
The heart of the issue is the climate, and the fossil fuel lobby in all its myriad forms and far reaching roots and branches, in banking, arms, and from the most wealthy kleptocrat to the most humble shop worker. Some are legitimate and reasonable, others nefarious and opportunist. We need to engage with the former to defeat the latter. | |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:34 - Nov 12 with 2314 views | giant_stow |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:01 - Nov 12 by Steve_M |
Two very obvious observations on all that:
1. What a bunch of self-interested coo nts.
2. It's not really surprise that a Vote Leave government, that won the referendum only with egregious lies and spin, is inept at governing.
The country is collateral damage beneath these overgrown public schoolboy egos. |
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| Let's hope they don't f up the vaccine roll out when ready on 09:50 - Nov 12 with 2275 views | davblue |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:16 - Nov 12 by Plums |
Boris is responsible for Vote Leave; he’ll sink with them. He’s a flag of convenience until the Brexit disaster is done and he’ll be out on his ear. The loss of +50k lives overseen by the worst and most incompetent and corrupt government in living memory will be his epitaph.
Shame on all the sheep who put them in this position of power.
We’re seeing the end of the cult, it’s just going to cost a few more people their lives while they fight it out. Despicable people. [Post edited 12 Nov 2020 8:17]
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I really wouldn't put it past them if we hear that doses have gone missing, not stored correctly and are wasted.
You almost want someone independent to carry it out. (Not Serco) |  | | |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:52 - Nov 12 with 2267 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:25 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
You mean Carrie is trying to wrestle back control. Boris is dick lead. Always has been. Always will be. |
Think that 'l' should be a 'h'. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 11:47 - Nov 12 with 2178 views | monytowbray |
Too late to run away now the Trump domino is falling, you can stay in the line and wait your turn Johnson. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 11:58 - Nov 12 with 2159 views | mr_bean |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:25 - Nov 12 by Swansea_Blue |
They're like a cancer attacking our governance institutions and systems, destroying all they come into contact with. It's going to be a long road to repair the damage they're making.
I suspect people are getting a bit over excited if they think Cummings will walk. |
Game, set and match to Cummings and the Russians. |  | | |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 11:59 - Nov 12 with 2159 views | EdwardStone |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:52 - Nov 12 by Herbivore |
Think that 'l' should be a 'h'. |
I thought Mr Glasgow's insult was pretty good in the original form....as in "lead in yer pencil"
Meaning something like " Johnson is a jizz stain on the fair face of our society" |  | | |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:31 - Nov 13 with 1963 views | bluelagos |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:54 - Nov 12 by bluelagos |
If Cummings were to go, this would go down as a rather amazing week all in. Cant see it though, not with the Brexit deal being negotiated as we speak.
Whether he's still there in 3 months time though... |
Reckon that counts as an accurate prediction. ;-)
The damage he has done in little over year is quite staggering. The Tory party is largely stripped of many of it's moderate/rational voices, we are left with a poorly prepared Brexit and all a time when the country is facing the economic consequences of the lockdowns.
His actions did untold damage undermining public messsaging and undoubtedly led to additional deaths from the virus.
I doubt there will be many mourning his imminent departure. | |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:43 - Nov 13 with 1935 views | itfcjoe |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:31 - Nov 13 by bluelagos |
Reckon that counts as an accurate prediction. ;-)
The damage he has done in little over year is quite staggering. The Tory party is largely stripped of many of it's moderate/rational voices, we are left with a poorly prepared Brexit and all a time when the country is facing the economic consequences of the lockdowns.
His actions did untold damage undermining public messsaging and undoubtedly led to additional deaths from the virus.
I doubt there will be many mourning his imminent departure. |
Was all the political capital spent to protect him after Barnard Castle worth it?
Gave up the public health messaging and made themselves look stupid, for a few more months of him seemingly trying to manoeuvre behind the scenes to take control.
Be interesting to see how the next year his handled, hopefully the vile Gove moves away from the levers of power as well | |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:49 - Nov 13 with 1920 views | bluelagos |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:43 - Nov 13 by itfcjoe |
Was all the political capital spent to protect him after Barnard Castle worth it?
Gave up the public health messaging and made themselves look stupid, for a few more months of him seemingly trying to manoeuvre behind the scenes to take control.
Be interesting to see how the next year his handled, hopefully the vile Gove moves away from the levers of power as well |
The undermining of the public health messaging is undeniable. Boris made the decision to stand by him and the consequnces of that are being seen now.
The most accurate description I have seen is that Cummings and his cabal proved themselves brilliant campaigners. But governing is not the same. | |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:04 - Nov 13 with 1904 views | Herbivore |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 08:49 - Nov 13 by bluelagos |
The undermining of the public health messaging is undeniable. Boris made the decision to stand by him and the consequnces of that are being seen now.
The most accurate description I have seen is that Cummings and his cabal proved themselves brilliant campaigners. But governing is not the same. |
They were only brilliant campaigners because they had zero scruples and were quite happy to lie, manipulate, and play fast and loose with electoral law. When you flout the rules it's much easier to win the game. | |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:13 - Nov 13 with 1889 views | bluelagos |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:04 - Nov 13 by Herbivore |
They were only brilliant campaigners because they had zero scruples and were quite happy to lie, manipulate, and play fast and loose with electoral law. When you flout the rules it's much easier to win the game. |
No argument from me. Perhaps highly effective campaigners would be a better description. Especially given how they lied constantly playing on the worst of people to win a referndum. | |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:39 - Nov 13 with 1871 views | Dubtractor |
Who are Kuennsberg (sp?) and Peston going to have as a "Downing Street" source from now on? They must be pretty worried. |  |
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| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 10:16 - Nov 13 with 1847 views | Dyland |
| Sounds like Boris is trying to wrestle control back from Vote Leave on 09:04 - Nov 13 by Herbivore |
They were only brilliant campaigners because they had zero scruples and were quite happy to lie, manipulate, and play fast and loose with electoral law. When you flout the rules it's much easier to win the game. |
Indeed. That can still be classed as brilliant campaigning though.
I often disagree with you and the way you present stuff, but I do like how you view things though unmurky lights, and with consistency, fair play :) | |
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