| Care homes moaning about PPE. 18:35 - Apr 17 with 4130 views | Pecker |
Blaming the Government. As the high majority are privately owned and charge a fortune, surely it is down to the owners to provide the PPE for their staff? Can't see why it is the Governments fault. |  | | |  |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 18:36 - Apr 17 with 3091 views | BrixtonBlue |
I'm sitting comfortably and I have the popcorn. Off you go everyone. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 18:56 - Apr 17 with 3054 views | MattinLondon |
I could be wrong but I think just prior to lockdown the government told care homes not to stockpile PPE etc as there was more than enough to go round. I could be wrong on that. [Post edited 17 Apr 2020 18:57]
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 18:59 - Apr 17 with 3046 views | BlueBadger |
Given that they're keeping an awful lot of people out of hospital(including people who at this point would normally be in hospital with non-coved things), I'd probably be inclined to for us to give them a hand here because you never know it might
a) stop a few of their residents dying needlessly and/or winding up in hospital to die alone.
b) Stop their staff becoming ill with knock-on effects for a. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:09 - Apr 17 with 3006 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 18:59 - Apr 17 by BlueBadger |
Given that they're keeping an awful lot of people out of hospital(including people who at this point would normally be in hospital with non-coved things), I'd probably be inclined to for us to give them a hand here because you never know it might
a) stop a few of their residents dying needlessly and/or winding up in hospital to die alone.
b) Stop their staff becoming ill with knock-on effects for a. |
But it is their responsibility, right? The Government should help if they can, but it is the responsibility of the employer to look after their employees when on their premises. My mates Mum is in a care home and gets charged an absolute fortune for her to stay there, so the least they can do is buy a few gowns and masks for their staff. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:10 - Apr 17 with 3001 views | ITFC_Forever |
Surely the issue is around availability, not whether they will pay for it or not? |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:11 - Apr 17 with 2993 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:10 - Apr 17 by ITFC_Forever |
Surely the issue is around availability, not whether they will pay for it or not? |
They were just on the news complaining the Government aren't getting them any. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:12 - Apr 17 with 2992 views | Guthrum |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:09 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
But it is their responsibility, right? The Government should help if they can, but it is the responsibility of the employer to look after their employees when on their premises. My mates Mum is in a care home and gets charged an absolute fortune for her to stay there, so the least they can do is buy a few gowns and masks for their staff. |
But that would be the same as the government turning around to all businesses closed during the lockdown and saying it's their responsibility to cover all the wages of staff who aren't working.
They don't charge that much more than hotels, especialy when you add in the required higher staff ratios, the provided catering, etc. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:13 - Apr 17 with 2987 views | Mercian |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:11 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
They were just on the news complaining the Government aren't getting them any. |
Moaning about PPE when a high number of their residents are dying and a high number of staff are likely infected. How dare they! |  | | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:16 - Apr 17 with 2974 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:13 - Apr 17 by Mercian |
Moaning about PPE when a high number of their residents are dying and a high number of staff are likely infected. How dare they! |
But the residents are their responsibility, right? They are mainly private companies. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:30 - Apr 17 with 2939 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:12 - Apr 17 by Guthrum |
But that would be the same as the government turning around to all businesses closed during the lockdown and saying it's their responsibility to cover all the wages of staff who aren't working.
They don't charge that much more than hotels, especialy when you add in the required higher staff ratios, the provided catering, etc. |
No, it isn't the same at all. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:38 - Apr 17 with 2911 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:12 - Apr 17 by Guthrum |
But that would be the same as the government turning around to all businesses closed during the lockdown and saying it's their responsibility to cover all the wages of staff who aren't working.
They don't charge that much more than hotels, especialy when you add in the required higher staff ratios, the provided catering, etc. |
Or in other words, the state does matter. This issue again highlights the problems of devolving to the private sector parts of an important area that needs a coordinated approach in order to be most effective. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:38 - Apr 17 with 2910 views | jeera |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:16 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
But the residents are their responsibility, right? They are mainly private companies. |
No, I understand what you're saying and it's hard to argue really.
Some of these places charge a horrendous amount of money and should be geared up (by law) to protect their staff, but more so the clients who are chucking that money at them in return for the service.
But again, no planning in place at local nor national level. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:40 - Apr 17 with 2899 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:16 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
But the residents are their responsibility, right? They are mainly private companies. |
There are many Local Authority patients in private care homes, those patients are the responsibility of the the Local Authority, who in situations like this are quite entitled to ask the Govt to step in and help... |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:43 - Apr 17 with 2879 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:40 - Apr 17 by Ewan_Oozami |
There are many Local Authority patients in private care homes, those patients are the responsibility of the the Local Authority, who in situations like this are quite entitled to ask the Govt to step in and help... |
Agree with that, but many are privately owned and therefore should be funding it themselves. I get both sides of this, but am fed up with everything being the Governments fault. Cheap journalism. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:56 - Apr 17 with 2855 views | Guthrum |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:30 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
No, it isn't the same at all. |
Essential service/business needs government help in a crisis.
For that matter they might be talking about the logistics of getting hold of PPE (most of which is being sent to hospitals), rather than the cost. | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:59 - Apr 17 with 2843 views | factual_blue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:43 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
Agree with that, but many are privately owned and therefore should be funding it themselves. I get both sides of this, but am fed up with everything being the Governments fault. Cheap journalism. |
The government had best shut down the furlough scheme while they're about it.
#borisisacharlatan |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:07 - Apr 17 with 2817 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:11 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
They were just on the news complaining the Government aren't getting them any. |
Getting as in sourcing, not paying for. | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:07 - Apr 17 with 2821 views | BloomBlue |
Correct, under UK and EU employment law the business have a responsibility to protect their employees.
As I said yesterday I have a friend in a care home and it cost £50k pa, 100 residents = £5million pa for the home. Friend asked the Manager last week why didnt they have PPE in the stores already last year, in readiness for a pandemic which comes around every generation. |  | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:10 - Apr 17 with 2804 views | Mercian |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:16 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
But the residents are their responsibility, right? They are mainly private companies. |
True, and their senior management should be held account for it when the time comes. Right now they need the kit, play the blame game later. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:26 - Apr 17 with 2781 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:10 - Apr 17 by Mercian |
True, and their senior management should be held account for it when the time comes. Right now they need the kit, play the blame game later. |
I am not blaming anyone. I just don't like the way it being portrayed as the Governments fault. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:00 - Apr 17 with 2728 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:09 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
But it is their responsibility, right? The Government should help if they can, but it is the responsibility of the employer to look after their employees when on their premises. My mates Mum is in a care home and gets charged an absolute fortune for her to stay there, so the least they can do is buy a few gowns and masks for their staff. |
When you say an absolute fortune, what is a reasonable cost?
Presumably your mate's mum is receiving accommodation, food and some level of care. I doubt the staff providing these earning a significant sum for what they do. Perhaps the care home owners are making a tidy profit, I don't know.
There is a real problem with the cost of caring for the elderly and we need to think how we do that fairly, efficiently and effectively.
I honestly have no clue how much care costs and am thankful that is because I have never been directly affected. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:20 - Apr 17 with 2699 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:26 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
I am not blaming anyone. I just don't like the way it being portrayed as the Governments fault. |
Poor Boris. | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:27 - Apr 17 with 2680 views | BloomBlue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:00 - Apr 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
When you say an absolute fortune, what is a reasonable cost?
Presumably your mate's mum is receiving accommodation, food and some level of care. I doubt the staff providing these earning a significant sum for what they do. Perhaps the care home owners are making a tidy profit, I don't know.
There is a real problem with the cost of caring for the elderly and we need to think how we do that fairly, efficiently and effectively.
I honestly have no clue how much care costs and am thankful that is because I have never been directly affected. |
Most care homes charge around £50-£60k per year | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:39 - Apr 17 with 2661 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:27 - Apr 17 by BloomBlue |
Most care homes charge around £50-£60k per year |
Ouch.
As I say, if you think about the level of staffing and what they provide you can understand they are not cheap but that is an awful lot of money to find somehow even for stays that are not many years.
I guess once someone's own funds are exhausted the Government picks up the bill? Didn't they put a limit on how much a resident pays out of the value of their home? | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:41 - Apr 17 with 2662 views | textbackup |
£1k a week my nannys friends family pay.... if that cant buy the people there the kit they need then its a pretty poor show |  |
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