| Care homes moaning about PPE. 18:35 - Apr 17 with 4170 views | Pecker |
Blaming the Government. As the high majority are privately owned and charge a fortune, surely it is down to the owners to provide the PPE for their staff? Can't see why it is the Governments fault. |  | | |  |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:44 - Apr 17 with 1039 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:41 - Apr 17 by textbackup |
£1k a week my nannys friends family pay.... if that cant buy the people there the kit they need then its a pretty poor show |
How much of that goes on food, accommodation costs, care staff etc?
It is easy to say they cost a lot but I think there is a big argument the staff should be higher paid. I would imagine every overhead is driven down as low as possible within the limits of providing a decent level of care. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:49 - Apr 17 with 1035 views | Portwoman |
I think you will find that 'self funded' residents are usually charged so much in order to subsidise those funded by the Local Authority whose contribution is insufficient to cover the care home costs. Most care homes have a mixture of self funded and Council funded residents. |  | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 22:57 - Apr 17 with 1003 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:49 - Apr 17 by Portwoman |
I think you will find that 'self funded' residents are usually charged so much in order to subsidise those funded by the Local Authority whose contribution is insufficient to cover the care home costs. Most care homes have a mixture of self funded and Council funded residents. |
I didn't know that. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 00:14 - Apr 18 with 992 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:44 - Apr 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
How much of that goes on food, accommodation costs, care staff etc?
It is easy to say they cost a lot but I think there is a big argument the staff should be higher paid. I would imagine every overhead is driven down as low as possible within the limits of providing a decent level of care. |
Sadly in several cases car home prices have been made dearer by private equity firms asset stripping them. Some firms have bought care home chains, sold the homes to provide a cash boost for the investors, and now the companies that run them have to rent the homes from whoever they were sold to.
Private Eye has been covering this for years but it's yet another one of the things that they cover that never seems to get sorted out (see also: the Post Office Horizon scandal, tied pubs etc). |  | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 00:33 - Apr 18 with 978 views | Ryorry |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:07 - Apr 17 by BloomBlue |
Correct, under UK and EU employment law the business have a responsibility to protect their employees.
As I said yesterday I have a friend in a care home and it cost £50k pa, 100 residents = £5million pa for the home. Friend asked the Manager last week why didnt they have PPE in the stores already last year, in readiness for a pandemic which comes around every generation. |
Surely the last pandemic was a century ago, ie "Spanish" 'flu of 1918.
What pandemic was there in the last generation? |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 00:45 - Apr 18 with 979 views | jeera |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 00:33 - Apr 18 by Ryorry |
Surely the last pandemic was a century ago, ie "Spanish" 'flu of 1918.
What pandemic was there in the last generation? |
I'm sure he means epidemic but I can take his point. It's one that's been made many times.
Protective equipment may well have a shelf life, but for us (collectively) to not at least have some plan of action for when something strikes is insane.
I've been questioning - yes, surely not only me I know - why firms haven't been approached for protective wear. I know a bit about the rag trade and can safely say there's thousands of firms with capable machinery and staff, so why only the big firms?
Samples should have been sent out around the country to see who can do what ages ago. They're in the game; it's them you ask.
I put up a link in my last post that complains of the same thing. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 01:03 - Apr 18 with 971 views | BlueBadger |
They've only got themselves to blame for not being major donors to the Conservative party. |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 01:58 - Apr 18 with 959 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:16 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
But the residents are their responsibility, right? They are mainly private companies. |
Oh dear.... |  | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 09:13 - Apr 18 with 912 views | BlueNomad |
Could it be that they held what would normally deemed sufficient stocks but have been overwhelmed by use in the face of something entirely off the scale? They don’t usually have up to 15 residents dying from the same virus in a week. Their attempts to replenish stocks have been thwarted by the widespread crisis.
I’m not a fan of the private sector but I don’t think they can be blamed for this. Remember too that Hancock is Sec of State for Health AND Social Care. |  | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 11:32 - Apr 18 with 892 views | BlueBadger |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 00:33 - Apr 18 by Ryorry |
Surely the last pandemic was a century ago, ie "Spanish" 'flu of 1918.
What pandemic was there in the last generation? |
Ebola maybe?
I'd argue HIV/AIDS definitely. [Post edited 18 Apr 2020 11:47]
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 13:09 - Apr 18 with 840 views | Ryorry |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 11:32 - Apr 18 by BlueBadger |
Ebola maybe?
I'd argue HIV/AIDS definitely. [Post edited 18 Apr 2020 11:47]
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Ah, good point re HIV/Aids.
Don't think so re Ebola, wasn't global as far as I'm aware - didn't reach Europe at all did it? 🤔 | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 13:29 - Apr 18 with 837 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 21:27 - Apr 17 by BloomBlue |
Most care homes charge around £50-£60k per year |
I suppose the closest comparison for costs might be boarding school fees. There will be a higher cost for the education element but there is the health element and a higher staff to customer ratio required due to the higher level of care needed.
Looking up I find the average boarding school fees for 2018 were £11,565 per term. Assuming an average term of around 10 weeks (they are usually shorter than state schools), that would work out around £1K per week so very similar. https://www.ukboardingschools.com/advice/fees-and-funding/#.XprxQkBFzIU
In a system where care is privately provided rather than by the state, it is probably reasonable to expect private companies to make a similar profit to those that run private schools. Whether the state could provide better value for money is a socialist vs capitalist argument. | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:57 - Apr 18 with 799 views | BloomBlue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 13:29 - Apr 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I suppose the closest comparison for costs might be boarding school fees. There will be a higher cost for the education element but there is the health element and a higher staff to customer ratio required due to the higher level of care needed.
Looking up I find the average boarding school fees for 2018 were £11,565 per term. Assuming an average term of around 10 weeks (they are usually shorter than state schools), that would work out around £1K per week so very similar. https://www.ukboardingschools.com/advice/fees-and-funding/#.XprxQkBFzIU
In a system where care is privately provided rather than by the state, it is probably reasonable to expect private companies to make a similar profit to those that run private schools. Whether the state could provide better value for money is a socialist vs capitalist argument. |
As I said before my friend in a care home pays £50k a year there are 100 filled rooms that's £5million a year and nearly every 2 months he has to complain they've run out of night leg catheter bags, normally down to the staffs incompetence. His argument with the staff about PPE is the same as his leg bags, if you're getting £5m a year why don't you already have plenty of PPE in stores.
He feels the complaining of too many home owners is more politically driven and to cover for their own personal incompetence. |  | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:17 - Apr 18 with 785 views | noggin |
Well the government (tax payer) bailed out the banks.... |  |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:18 - Apr 18 with 784 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:17 - Apr 18 by noggin |
Well the government (tax payer) bailed out the banks.... |
Again, not the same. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:21 - Apr 18 with 782 views | noggin |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:18 - Apr 18 by Pecker |
Again, not the same. |
So, who should the care homes ask to assist them to source the PPE? | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:46 - Apr 18 with 760 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:21 - Apr 18 by noggin |
So, who should the care homes ask to assist them to source the PPE? |
The same people they get all their other PPE from. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:47 - Apr 18 with 760 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 19:57 - Apr 18 by BloomBlue |
As I said before my friend in a care home pays £50k a year there are 100 filled rooms that's £5million a year and nearly every 2 months he has to complain they've run out of night leg catheter bags, normally down to the staffs incompetence. His argument with the staff about PPE is the same as his leg bags, if you're getting £5m a year why don't you already have plenty of PPE in stores.
He feels the complaining of too many home owners is more politically driven and to cover for their own personal incompetence. |
I don't know if the average boarding school has 100 boarders or not. It may sound a lot of money but to home and feed 100 residents and staff that and then provide all the care they need I suspect it doesn't go all that far.
I get there are likely to be more cost-efficient ways of running them within the state sector instead of privately but there are no questions the staff are underpaid. The alternative would be to increase the fees which you rightly point out are already very high. | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:50 - Apr 18 with 752 views | noggin |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:46 - Apr 18 by Pecker |
The same people they get all their other PPE from. |
There isn't enough, that's why they're asking for help. | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:55 - Apr 18 with 744 views | Pecker |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:50 - Apr 18 by noggin |
There isn't enough, that's why they're asking for help. |
Not help, blaming. That is my point. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:59 - Apr 18 with 740 views | noggin |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:55 - Apr 18 by Pecker |
Not help, blaming. That is my point. |
They told the care homes not to stockpile. Who should they blame? | |
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| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 22:02 - Apr 18 with 719 views | longtimefan |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 13:29 - Apr 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I suppose the closest comparison for costs might be boarding school fees. There will be a higher cost for the education element but there is the health element and a higher staff to customer ratio required due to the higher level of care needed.
Looking up I find the average boarding school fees for 2018 were £11,565 per term. Assuming an average term of around 10 weeks (they are usually shorter than state schools), that would work out around £1K per week so very similar. https://www.ukboardingschools.com/advice/fees-and-funding/#.XprxQkBFzIU
In a system where care is privately provided rather than by the state, it is probably reasonable to expect private companies to make a similar profit to those that run private schools. Whether the state could provide better value for money is a socialist vs capitalist argument. |
I suspect most private school teachers are not on the minimum wage like many of the care home workers, so I don’t think it’s a particularly useful comparison. | | | |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 22:29 - Apr 18 with 711 views | bluebud |
| Care homes moaning about PPE. on 20:26 - Apr 17 by Pecker |
I am not blaming anyone. I just don't like the way it being portrayed as the Governments fault. |
...I totally agree with you.
Chief exec of Ipswich Hospital is on £60k a year more than the PM - gets no flak for issues in his own hospital. [Post edited 18 Apr 2020 22:33]
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