| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:54 - Mar 18 with 2494 views | Herbivore |
The NHS has always had finite resources which means it has always had to make decisions around prioritisation. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:57 - Mar 18 with 2460 views | homer_123 |
Nothing new here.
1. We've known from the outset that we don't have enough equipment to treat everyone (no country has) and therefore;
2. Doctors etc. will use their normal processes of priotising patients.
This was always going to be the case, sadly. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:58 - Mar 18 with 2460 views | monytowbray |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:54 - Mar 18 by Herbivore |
The NHS has always had finite resources which means it has always had to make decisions around prioritisation. |
Yeah I am hoping he means general and not life or death like in Italy.
Does feel like they’re pulling their fingers out which is a positive. Just hope it’s not too late to reverse the delayed response and the early cock ups.
There’s a real political oddness with all these measures coming in that the Tories would have never done in a million years without a pandemic. Their hands are forced to listen and take Labour ideas seriously rather than dismiss them. Hope we can cling on to some of these positive changes in general life when this is all over. Power to the people, etc. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:59 - Mar 18 with 2449 views | Darth_Koont |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:54 - Mar 18 by Herbivore |
The NHS has always had finite resources which means it has always had to make decisions around prioritisation. |
Indeed. It's much sharper now - my sister is a radiologist in London and she'll be helping out with the Covid 19 response as a standard doctor while only addressing radiology for extreme cases like children with cancer - but it's already a familiar way of working for staff.
It's about the only advantage of the NHS having to juggle resources for decades. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:03 - Mar 18 with 2423 views | garygboltonblue |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:54 - Mar 18 by Herbivore |
The NHS has always had finite resources which means it has always had to make decisions around prioritisation. |
Already in progress |  | | |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:04 - Mar 18 with 2419 views | Pinewoodblue |
This has been going on for years. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:04 - Mar 18 with 2420 views | Herbivore |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:58 - Mar 18 by monytowbray |
Yeah I am hoping he means general and not life or death like in Italy.
Does feel like they’re pulling their fingers out which is a positive. Just hope it’s not too late to reverse the delayed response and the early cock ups.
There’s a real political oddness with all these measures coming in that the Tories would have never done in a million years without a pandemic. Their hands are forced to listen and take Labour ideas seriously rather than dismiss them. Hope we can cling on to some of these positive changes in general life when this is all over. Power to the people, etc. |
I don't think it's as stark as life or death decisions at this point. The delaying of elective surgery hasn't even kicked in yet. | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:06 - Mar 18 with 2396 views | garygboltonblue |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:04 - Mar 18 by Herbivore |
I don't think it's as stark as life or death decisions at this point. The delaying of elective surgery hasn't even kicked in yet. |
It has defo. in one hospital | | | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:07 - Mar 18 with 2379 views | clive_baker |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:58 - Mar 18 by monytowbray |
Yeah I am hoping he means general and not life or death like in Italy.
Does feel like they’re pulling their fingers out which is a positive. Just hope it’s not too late to reverse the delayed response and the early cock ups.
There’s a real political oddness with all these measures coming in that the Tories would have never done in a million years without a pandemic. Their hands are forced to listen and take Labour ideas seriously rather than dismiss them. Hope we can cling on to some of these positive changes in general life when this is all over. Power to the people, etc. |
It's got zero to do with 'Labour ideas'. These are unprecedented times and the NHS is being given every opportunity it can to be able to deal with it as effectively as possible. Inevitably decisions have to be made re. priorities. For example non urgent operations have been paused, freeing up 30,000 beds. These measures make perfect sense. We're better equipped than many countries in this respect, and for that we should be grateful that through nothing more than the lottery of life we happen to be from here.
I agree that if the NHS sees longer term benefits off the back of this push and increased support then that's only going to be a good thing. There's no getting away from the fact the tories have underfunded our public services historically. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:08 - Mar 18 with 2372 views | Swansea_Blue |
Grim indeed. Inevitable, but I wouldn't want to be on the front line making those sorts of decisions. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:10 - Mar 18 with 2353 views | r2d2 |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:58 - Mar 18 by monytowbray |
Yeah I am hoping he means general and not life or death like in Italy.
Does feel like they’re pulling their fingers out which is a positive. Just hope it’s not too late to reverse the delayed response and the early cock ups.
There’s a real political oddness with all these measures coming in that the Tories would have never done in a million years without a pandemic. Their hands are forced to listen and take Labour ideas seriously rather than dismiss them. Hope we can cling on to some of these positive changes in general life when this is all over. Power to the people, etc. |
Labour?! Its nothing to do with them. Bum bag. |  | | |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:11 - Mar 18 with 2351 views | BlueBadger |
We do this now and have done for decades. It's called 'triage'. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 13:15]
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:12 - Mar 18 with 2327 views | J2BLUE |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:07 - Mar 18 by clive_baker |
It's got zero to do with 'Labour ideas'. These are unprecedented times and the NHS is being given every opportunity it can to be able to deal with it as effectively as possible. Inevitably decisions have to be made re. priorities. For example non urgent operations have been paused, freeing up 30,000 beds. These measures make perfect sense. We're better equipped than many countries in this respect, and for that we should be grateful that through nothing more than the lottery of life we happen to be from here.
I agree that if the NHS sees longer term benefits off the back of this push and increased support then that's only going to be a good thing. There's no getting away from the fact the tories have underfunded our public services historically. |
Agree, FFS cut out the party politics BS. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:12 - Mar 18 with 2323 views | BlueBadger |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:08 - Mar 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Grim indeed. Inevitable, but I wouldn't want to be on the front line making those sorts of decisions. |
Thankfully, I'm not the bloke that makes the ultimate decisions either. I am however, the bloke that helps the decision maker come to their decision.. | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:13 - Mar 18 with 2314 views | hampstead_blue |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 12:58 - Mar 18 by monytowbray |
Yeah I am hoping he means general and not life or death like in Italy.
Does feel like they’re pulling their fingers out which is a positive. Just hope it’s not too late to reverse the delayed response and the early cock ups.
There’s a real political oddness with all these measures coming in that the Tories would have never done in a million years without a pandemic. Their hands are forced to listen and take Labour ideas seriously rather than dismiss them. Hope we can cling on to some of these positive changes in general life when this is all over. Power to the people, etc. |
Tosh.
Stealing Labours ideas would bankrupt us. The Tories are doing the right thing in a measured way.
Follow the science. Listen to the scientists and then act. Rushing and pressing buttons too early is as bad as too late. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:26 - Mar 18 with 2233 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:11 - Mar 18 by BlueBadger |
We do this now and have done for decades. It's called 'triage'. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 13:15]
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Don't tell Lord Haw Haw Callis that. |  |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:27 - Mar 18 with 2225 views | monytowbray |
Odd downvotes in this thread. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t. | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:28 - Mar 18 with 2219 views | monytowbray |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:13 - Mar 18 by hampstead_blue |
Tosh.
Stealing Labours ideas would bankrupt us. The Tories are doing the right thing in a measured way.
Follow the science. Listen to the scientists and then act. Rushing and pressing buttons too early is as bad as too late. |
Worrying how much you just spoon feed what you are told to be honest. | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:28 - Mar 18 with 2226 views | BlueBadger |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:26 - Mar 18 by Lord_Lucan |
Don't tell Lord Haw Haw Callis that. |
Honestly, if I was running a cardiac arrest with TWTD posters as my team, Callis would get the designated role of 'second runner'. Thats the role you give to someone flapping all over the place and stopping everyone else doing their job, so you send them off to the far side of the building to look for a piece of kit you know either doesn't exist or is very difficult to find. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 13:31]
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:29 - Mar 18 with 2217 views | BlueBadger |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:27 - Mar 18 by monytowbray |
Odd downvotes in this thread. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t. |
I think people really won't object if you switch to 'don't'. | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:29 - Mar 18 with 2213 views | monytowbray |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:07 - Mar 18 by clive_baker |
It's got zero to do with 'Labour ideas'. These are unprecedented times and the NHS is being given every opportunity it can to be able to deal with it as effectively as possible. Inevitably decisions have to be made re. priorities. For example non urgent operations have been paused, freeing up 30,000 beds. These measures make perfect sense. We're better equipped than many countries in this respect, and for that we should be grateful that through nothing more than the lottery of life we happen to be from here.
I agree that if the NHS sees longer term benefits off the back of this push and increased support then that's only going to be a good thing. There's no getting away from the fact the tories have underfunded our public services historically. |
I’m not just talking about the NHS when I say “Labour ideas”. | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:30 - Mar 18 with 2212 views | StokieBlue |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:27 - Mar 18 by monytowbray |
Odd downvotes in this thread. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t. |
I think the downvotes are for your last paragraph.
It was all fine and sensible up until then (although triage always happens) and then you made the largest paragraph a party political rant again.
People are getting p*ssed off with it.
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:32 - Mar 18 with 2203 views | monytowbray |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:28 - Mar 18 by BlueBadger |
Honestly, if I was running a cardiac arrest with TWTD posters as my team, Callis would get the designated role of 'second runner'. Thats the role you give to someone flapping all over the place and stopping everyone else doing their job, so you send them off to the far side of the building to look for a piece of kit you know either doesn't exist or is very difficult to find. [Post edited 18 Mar 2020 13:31]
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I think the comparison of telling me what I’d do in a job I do not do is a bit unfair. I’m just taking in information and discussing it. As is normal. | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:34 - Mar 18 with 2186 views | monytowbray |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:30 - Mar 18 by StokieBlue |
I think the downvotes are for your last paragraph.
It was all fine and sensible up until then (although triage always happens) and then you made the largest paragraph a party political rant again.
People are getting p*ssed off with it.
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The problem is you assume I’m political point scoring all the time. I’m not. Calm down. | |
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| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:42 - Mar 18 with 2161 views | StokieBlue |
| Already talk of prioritising NHS patients on 13:34 - Mar 18 by monytowbray |
The problem is you assume I’m political point scoring all the time. I’m not. Calm down. |
I honestly don't want to argue as agreed in the other thread.
There is however really no other way to see the final paragraph you wrote - that is why 3 or 4 other posters made the same point and why you got the downvotes.
If you can't see it's politicising things then not much anyone can do.
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