| Good article on football violence. 08:33 - Apr 4 with 1137 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/04/moral-panic-football-viole
'But exaggerated concerns about football violence are also a consequence of the increased commercialisation and commodification of the sport. Football leagues and clubs have become big business, generating most of their income from people who never attend games – through multibillion pound broadcasting rights and online merchandise. Violence – or whatever the increasingly detached, middle-class “consumers” of football perceive to be violence, including just rowdy fans in the stadium – is bad for business.' |  |
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| Good article on football violence. on 08:36 - Apr 4 with 1107 views | GeoffSentence |
"For instance, “ultras” – relatively large groups of hardcore fans who mainly support their club with elaborate tifo (such as banners, pyro, singing) inside stadiums – are often conflated with “hooligans”, very small groups of violent gangs who mostly fight other hooligans far away from the stadiums. "
We had a poster make that very same conflation on here just a few weeks ago. |  |
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| Good article on football violence. on 08:47 - Apr 4 with 1046 views | bluelagos |
| Good article on football violence. on 08:36 - Apr 4 by GeoffSentence |
"For instance, “ultras” – relatively large groups of hardcore fans who mainly support their club with elaborate tifo (such as banners, pyro, singing) inside stadiums – are often conflated with “hooligans”, very small groups of violent gangs who mostly fight other hooligans far away from the stadiums. "
We had a poster make that very same conflation on here just a few weeks ago. |
See also a number of posters condemning our own fans celebrating on the pitch last season.
Appreciate sometimes the lines get blurred - but the fun police really do need to do one imho. Football has become so sanitised that we should be welcoming with open arms those who dedicate their afternoons to bringing passion to Portman Rd. |  |
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| Good article on football violence. on 08:57 - Apr 4 with 1008 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Good article on football violence. on 08:47 - Apr 4 by bluelagos |
See also a number of posters condemning our own fans celebrating on the pitch last season.
Appreciate sometimes the lines get blurred - but the fun police really do need to do one imho. Football has become so sanitised that we should be welcoming with open arms those who dedicate their afternoons to bringing passion to Portman Rd. |
To be fair, the club needs to take a certain amount of blame for that happening.
Repeatedly reminding, or rather warning fans that celebrating on the pitch, long before and just before kick off could result in prosecution and of football banning order made a huge number of fans who had gone into the stadium intent on getting onto the pitch at the final whistle stay in the stands.
To this day, I really have no idea why they felt they needed to do that, or who told them to.
If we go up this season, I can't see many staying in the stands after Huddersfield given nothing happened vs Exeter, the stands will empty quicker than my guts after sour milk. |  |
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| Good article on football violence. on 08:58 - Apr 4 with 1008 views | thebooks |
| Good article on football violence. on 08:47 - Apr 4 by bluelagos |
See also a number of posters condemning our own fans celebrating on the pitch last season.
Appreciate sometimes the lines get blurred - but the fun police really do need to do one imho. Football has become so sanitised that we should be welcoming with open arms those who dedicate their afternoons to bringing passion to Portman Rd. |
Quite. Even in the NS, I had a couple of people moaning behind me after the Exeter pitch invasion. There were people on here suggesting prison sentences.
The football industry uses visual displays of “passion” in its marketing, which is hard to manufacture without fans actually being passionate. |  | | |
| Good article on football violence. on 09:37 - Apr 4 with 870 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good article on football violence. on 08:58 - Apr 4 by thebooks |
Quite. Even in the NS, I had a couple of people moaning behind me after the Exeter pitch invasion. There were people on here suggesting prison sentences.
The football industry uses visual displays of “passion” in its marketing, which is hard to manufacture without fans actually being passionate. |
"The football industry uses visual displays of “passion” in its marketing, which is hard to manufacture without fans actually being passionate."
A superb observation in the context of peaceful, celebratory pitch invasions. Nails the issue. There need to be lines, but I'm not sure quite where they are.Violence is an obvious one, but what about language? I find some of the chants in football grounds these days distasteful - 'She's a whore' being a case in point. Years back I wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but times change and maybe fans should too.
We need to be careful we don't dismiss genuine violence though. It's right that someone who runs onto the pitch to whack a player faces charges. But let's not conflate that person with someone who's not behaving aggressively. Sadly we're stuck with it being the current law, which brings us back to the article in the OP. The author of that piece is probably the foremost expert among academics studying the far right, authoritarianism and the impacts on the rights of the rest of us. He's got an apparently accessible and excellent book The Far Right Today that sounds like a good read. |  |
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| Good article on football violence. on 09:55 - Apr 4 with 824 views | SitfcB |
| Good article on football violence. on 08:57 - Apr 4 by Cheltenham_Blue |
To be fair, the club needs to take a certain amount of blame for that happening.
Repeatedly reminding, or rather warning fans that celebrating on the pitch, long before and just before kick off could result in prosecution and of football banning order made a huge number of fans who had gone into the stadium intent on getting onto the pitch at the final whistle stay in the stands.
To this day, I really have no idea why they felt they needed to do that, or who told them to.
If we go up this season, I can't see many staying in the stands after Huddersfield given nothing happened vs Exeter, the stands will empty quicker than my guts after sour milk. |
The club have to be seen to discourage it, if they don’t and it’s happens that’s when the fines roll in.
Certain people at the club would’ve wanted it to happen, and they had planned for it to happen, all of the ball boys and photographers were ushered away a few minutes before the FT whistle and police/stewards lined the perimeter. |  |
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| Good article on football violence. on 10:02 - Apr 4 with 794 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Good article on football violence. on 09:55 - Apr 4 by SitfcB |
The club have to be seen to discourage it, if they don’t and it’s happens that’s when the fines roll in.
Certain people at the club would’ve wanted it to happen, and they had planned for it to happen, all of the ball boys and photographers were ushered away a few minutes before the FT whistle and police/stewards lined the perimeter. |
I get that, but the volume of 'warnings' was astonishing. I was in my seat just after the turnstiles opened as my lad likes to sit with a sausage roll, (he claims they're the best he's ever tasted), and even then with a virtually empty stadium the announcements were being made.
I can remember shooting Villa v WBA in the FA Cup quarter final, which Villa won 2-1, there were no announcements, we as photographers weren't moved and the stewards were helping people over the barriers onto the pitch.
No fines issued. | |
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| Good article on football violence. on 10:02 - Apr 4 with 791 views | Guthrum |
| Good article on football violence. on 08:57 - Apr 4 by Cheltenham_Blue |
To be fair, the club needs to take a certain amount of blame for that happening.
Repeatedly reminding, or rather warning fans that celebrating on the pitch, long before and just before kick off could result in prosecution and of football banning order made a huge number of fans who had gone into the stadium intent on getting onto the pitch at the final whistle stay in the stands.
To this day, I really have no idea why they felt they needed to do that, or who told them to.
If we go up this season, I can't see many staying in the stands after Huddersfield given nothing happened vs Exeter, the stands will empty quicker than my guts after sour milk. |
It's typical knee-jerk rules which fail to distinguish between an exuberant celebration and an angry riot. And which are left over from an era where mass brawls were part of football culture. |  |
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| Good article on football violence. on 10:08 - Apr 4 with 773 views | blueislander |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:02 - Apr 4 by Guthrum |
It's typical knee-jerk rules which fail to distinguish between an exuberant celebration and an angry riot. And which are left over from an era where mass brawls were part of football culture. |
The problem I have with mass pitch invasions at the end of a season is that the players and staff would be unable to do a lap of honour which everyone could enjoy. |  | | |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:10 - Apr 4 with 755 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:08 - Apr 4 by blueislander |
The problem I have with mass pitch invasions at the end of a season is that the players and staff would be unable to do a lap of honour which everyone could enjoy. |
Thats never happened. Even when the pitch is full, it is eventually cleared, and the lap happens 15 minutes later than expected.. | |
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| Good article on football violence. on 10:18 - Apr 4 with 730 views | blueislander |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:10 - Apr 4 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Thats never happened. Even when the pitch is full, it is eventually cleared, and the lap happens 15 minutes later than expected.. |
By which time people may have given up waiting and will have gone home. | | | |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:24 - Apr 4 with 714 views | withyblue |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:18 - Apr 4 by blueislander |
By which time people may have given up waiting and will have gone home. |
Sounds like a them problem | | | |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:39 - Apr 4 with 665 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:18 - Apr 4 by blueislander |
By which time people may have given up waiting and will have gone home. |
Why would you 'give up and go home' when your team has just been promoted.
It takes me almost four hours to get home, but in that circumstance I'll be staying in the ground until I'm told to leave. | |
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| lollers on 10:43 - Apr 4 with 651 views | Dyland |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:18 - Apr 4 by blueislander |
By which time people may have given up waiting and will have gone home. |
Oh Islanders you silly old sod :)
It's promotion. If someone misses their train who cares. Or if someone has to catch a train or whatever and misses a lap of honour, who cares.
Now I must admit, those last two kids gurning on the pitch after Exeter, taking selfies... I did start getting annoyed... hurry up and get off now everyone has had a larf, I want to get back to the boozer.
COYFB innit |  |
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| Good article on football violence. on 11:01 - Apr 4 with 607 views | Europablue |
| Good article on football violence. on 08:58 - Apr 4 by thebooks |
Quite. Even in the NS, I had a couple of people moaning behind me after the Exeter pitch invasion. There were people on here suggesting prison sentences.
The football industry uses visual displays of “passion” in its marketing, which is hard to manufacture without fans actually being passionate. |
Going on the pitch is a health and safety nightmare. If people go on then it's at their own risk.
Having said that, prison should be reserved for people who are a danger to society. Some who walks on a certain area or says something mean does not need to be imprisoned at the expense of the taxpayer and in place of dangerous criminals. | | | |
| Good article on football violence. on 11:05 - Apr 4 with 597 views | Europablue |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:02 - Apr 4 by Guthrum |
It's typical knee-jerk rules which fail to distinguish between an exuberant celebration and an angry riot. And which are left over from an era where mass brawls were part of football culture. |
It reminds me of the all seater rules and the opposition to safe standing.
It's not all bad that everyone has a seat at a stadium, but there is nothing wrong with having the standing option when there is no risk of crushing. | | | |
| lollers on 11:24 - Apr 4 with 548 views | blueislander |
| lollers on 10:43 - Apr 4 by Dyland |
Oh Islanders you silly old sod :)
It's promotion. If someone misses their train who cares. Or if someone has to catch a train or whatever and misses a lap of honour, who cares.
Now I must admit, those last two kids gurning on the pitch after Exeter, taking selfies... I did start getting annoyed... hurry up and get off now everyone has had a larf, I want to get back to the boozer.
COYFB innit |
The fact that it is against the law seems hardly relevant. Where there is a mass invasion the risk of getting arrested is minimal, but if anyone does get arrested and gets banned they can’t complain. The club made it very clear that this was the case. | | | |
| Good article on football violence. on 11:27 - Apr 4 with 543 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good article on football violence. on 10:18 - Apr 4 by blueislander |
By which time people may have given up waiting and will have gone home. |
The lap of honour obviously doesn't mean that much to them if they can't wait 15 mins at the end of a successful season. At a lot of clubs now the players disappear down the tunnel and then come out 15 minutes later with all their families anyway. It's not often a spontaneous thing. | |
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