| Get in 17:10 - Jul 5 with 11488 views | SitfcB |
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| Get in on 00:49 - Jul 6 with 1591 views | Ryorry |
| Get in on 21:42 - Jul 5 by NewcyBlue |
You don’t think the younger generations have had to put up with a lot of restrictions?
You don’t think it would have been better to get the working population back out to work rather than everyone restricted so the older generation can be kept safe? |
Hi Newcy, good to see you back on here ðŸ‘
No doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the "keeping the older generation safe" thing was to protect the NHS from becoming overwhelmed, as obviously the 70+ & CEVs were the most likely to be hospitalised.
Where getting vacc'd early was concerned tho, I totally agree. Would have been far more logical, & have protected the economy better (in addition to older ppl & CEVs still being protected) if younger, working people had got vacc'd first, whilst elders & vulnerables agreed to remain voluntarily shielding. I & most in my 70+ age group that I've spoken about this with, would have been perfectly happy with it.
The absence of logical thinking is a hallmark of the way this govt. have mishandled the pandemic in the UK tho. |  |
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| Get in on 04:29 - Jul 6 with 1559 views | wkj |
Medically It feels like it's too soon, yet socially not soon enough.
If we end up in the sh*t come Christmas, I hope the Tory fanatics have the balls to outs Johnson - as he really has scored far too many own goals - this has the potential to be the biggest of them all if we end up in Christmas Lockdown. |  |
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| Get in on 07:51 - Jul 6 with 1492 views | StokieBlue |
| Get in on 04:29 - Jul 6 by wkj |
Medically It feels like it's too soon, yet socially not soon enough.
If we end up in the sh*t come Christmas, I hope the Tory fanatics have the balls to outs Johnson - as he really has scored far too many own goals - this has the potential to be the biggest of them all if we end up in Christmas Lockdown. |
The Tory fanatics are the ones pushing this. Let's not forget they wanted to open up even with the last wave in full swing.
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| Get in on 08:30 - Jul 6 with 1454 views | noggin |
| Get in on 20:57 - Jul 5 by Lord_Lucan |
This time last year we had just started testing 100k per day, now we are testing over 1m per day - and I am not sure that includes home tests (I don't know) which all the Lucans did yesterday.
If you are going to increase your testing by that much then you will get more cases. Hospitals are not overrun and no fecker is dying.
Time to deal with it IMHO - although I think it would have been wise to have kept masks on public transport, possibly.
If people had been asked to carry on as per now then you would have seen many summer riots.
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"although I think it would have been wise to have kept masks on public transport, possibly."
Pretty futile if we're taking the bus to a nightclub or busy pub. |  |
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| Get in on 08:38 - Jul 6 with 1436 views | bluelagos |
| Get in on 04:29 - Jul 6 by wkj |
Medically It feels like it's too soon, yet socially not soon enough.
If we end up in the sh*t come Christmas, I hope the Tory fanatics have the balls to outs Johnson - as he really has scored far too many own goals - this has the potential to be the biggest of them all if we end up in Christmas Lockdown. |
"Medically It feels like it's too soon, yet socially not soon enough"
Am going to pinch that. Pretty spot on analogy for where we are at imho. |  |
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| Get in on 08:39 - Jul 6 with 1439 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Get in on 08:30 - Jul 6 by noggin |
"although I think it would have been wise to have kept masks on public transport, possibly."
Pretty futile if we're taking the bus to a nightclub or busy pub. |
Maybe that's why they are no longer mandatory on a bus. |  |
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| Get in on 08:49 - Jul 6 with 1418 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Another five pager, where Sitters is the one to pull the pin and throws the grenade on a contentious issue and then he never returns to update his OP, comment or defend his position, just sits back and watches the carnage.
And you lot fall for it every time. The man is under rated. |  |
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| Get in on 08:50 - Jul 6 with 1417 views | itfcjoe |
Does seem a bit OTT with regards t how much things are loosened - think certain areas still needed masks at the least.
Public transport, and shops for me.
But things like pubs and restaurants where you have to walk in with one, sit down take it off, stand up to go to toilet and put it on, etc is just ridiculous and glad to lose that side of things.
There will be some people feeling very vulnerable about the big unlock - wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being a big mistake or cancelled when numbers are going up a lot.
Something like the Tube seems mental to make maskless currently |  |
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| Get in on 09:04 - Jul 6 with 1388 views | noggin |
| Get in on 08:49 - Jul 6 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Another five pager, where Sitters is the one to pull the pin and throws the grenade on a contentious issue and then he never returns to update his OP, comment or defend his position, just sits back and watches the carnage.
And you lot fall for it every time. The man is under rated. |
He's just a young Benters. | |
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| Get in on 09:04 - Jul 6 with 1390 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Get in on 08:50 - Jul 6 by itfcjoe |
Does seem a bit OTT with regards t how much things are loosened - think certain areas still needed masks at the least.
Public transport, and shops for me.
But things like pubs and restaurants where you have to walk in with one, sit down take it off, stand up to go to toilet and put it on, etc is just ridiculous and glad to lose that side of things.
There will be some people feeling very vulnerable about the big unlock - wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being a big mistake or cancelled when numbers are going up a lot.
Something like the Tube seems mental to make maskless currently |
Think it also depends on where you live. You have to hope that when restrictions are lifted that those parts of the Country where infection rates are 15-20 times higher than in most of Norfolk/Suffolk that far more people will continue to wear masks.
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| Get in on 09:25 - Jul 6 with 1365 views | TractorCam |
| Get in on 21:33 - Jul 5 by chrismakin |
I'd have some sympathy if a very large majority of them weren't refusing vaccinations and taking the streets of london to protest against a bit of cloth over their mouths.
Yes it's been hard on plenty of people not just those young. They will however had time and opportunity to come out the other side
Those dead. Dont have the opportunity to do so |
Would love to know your source for this 'very large majority'. I don't know a single person who is outright refusing the vaccine. |  |
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| Get in on 10:14 - Jul 6 with 1321 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Get in on 09:25 - Jul 6 by TractorCam |
Would love to know your source for this 'very large majority'. I don't know a single person who is outright refusing the vaccine. |
Original thinkers don’t need a source. | |
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| Get in on 10:35 - Jul 6 with 1301 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Get in on 09:25 - Jul 6 by TractorCam |
Would love to know your source for this 'very large majority'. I don't know a single person who is outright refusing the vaccine. |
I'd take an estimate that 60% of people in my social circle have no interest in ever taking these jabs, 20% have taken it and the other 20% are wait and see/unsure. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:36]
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| Get in on 10:38 - Jul 6 with 1288 views | noggin |
| Get in on 10:35 - Jul 6 by The_Last_Baron |
I'd take an estimate that 60% of people in my social circle have no interest in ever taking these jabs, 20% have taken it and the other 20% are wait and see/unsure. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:36]
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Why doesn't that surprise me? | |
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| Get in on 10:44 - Jul 6 with 1271 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Get in on 10:35 - Jul 6 by The_Last_Baron |
I'd take an estimate that 60% of people in my social circle have no interest in ever taking these jabs, 20% have taken it and the other 20% are wait and see/unsure. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:36]
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Not really a surprise is it - we surround ourselves with people of similar view points. 100% of the people in my social circle want the vaccine or have already have it. This is not evidence. |  |
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| Get in on 10:46 - Jul 6 with 1269 views | StokieBlue |
| Get in on 10:35 - Jul 6 by The_Last_Baron |
I'd take an estimate that 60% of people in my social circle have no interest in ever taking these jabs, 20% have taken it and the other 20% are wait and see/unsure. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:36]
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An incredibly worrying position for you and your social circle I would say. We currently have a virus on the loose with an estimated R>7 which has a good chance of causing severe illness in the unvaccinated.
However you're against masks (for some very unscientific reasons) and it seems your cohorts are also against vaccines. This is not a great combination.
Where does this distrust of science come from?
I hope you and your social circle stay well but it seems unlikely all of you will with this attitude.
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| Get in on 11:27 - Jul 6 with 1222 views | 26_Paz |
I must say the general view on here is a lot more negative than what I encounter anywhere else. At work or socially. I posted the below link on a different thread. It’s a great read.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57678942 |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 11:41 - Jul 6 with 1206 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Get in on 21:11 - Jul 5 by chrismakin |
No feckers are dieing????
The reason why their be riots is because for some reason people cant understand there is a pandemic and life needs to pause for a very small period of their lives
Unfortunately because a large majority, mainly those between 20 and 30 cant change their habits for a year or 2 to help the country get through it, we have people losing their lives just so these people can go and what... dance in a nightclub. Such a desperate requirement to be able to live.
Or the horrible thought of wearing a mask when out.
Its childish borderline pathetic that the UK and its peoples lives are being put at risk due to this majority of idiots. |
‘ Unfortunately because a large majority, mainly those between 20 and 30 cant change their habits for a year or 2 to help the country get through it, we have people losing their lives just so these people can go and what... dance in a nightclub. Such a desperate requirement to be able to live.’
That’s nonsense. I’ve literally reactivated my account just to point out how much bollox that is.
People like me in that category of 20-30 sacrificed 15 months of a 32 month degree. No socialising. No lessons in classes. No shagging randoms and living the nightly life of a student getting pissed 6 nights a week. No sports clubs. Courses dramatically changed (my sports cocachint course lost the sports coaching element entirely). No discount on the degree. Still the same amounts. Landlords charging full rent and holding students to contracts pre-covid despite nobody needing to be there anymore as it was online. For a disease that was never likely to kill any of us. But we did it for the good of the country.
To read people like you throwing that effort away as though it’s just a load of us whining we can’t go ‘dancing in a nightclub’ is just nonsense and somebody had to point it out to you. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 11:46]
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| Get in on 11:59 - Jul 6 with 1170 views | BarcaBlue |
| Get in on 10:35 - Jul 6 by The_Last_Baron |
I'd take an estimate that 60% of people in my social circle have no interest in ever taking these jabs, 20% have taken it and the other 20% are wait and see/unsure. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:36]
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I'd estimate that social circle is statistically irrelevant due to its likely make up and size. |  | | |
| Get in on 11:59 - Jul 6 with 1174 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Get in on 11:27 - Jul 6 by 26_Paz |
I must say the general view on here is a lot more negative than what I encounter anywhere else. At work or socially. I posted the below link on a different thread. It’s a great read.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57678942 |
It's an interesting read but let's take a few snippets.
Compare this (my emphasis):
"As the charts above show, infection rates are rising. If they rise enough, that has the potential to cause a significant number of hospitalisations, possibly 1,000 a day before summer is out."
with this:
"In the depths of winter there can be 1,000 admissions a day for respiratory infections."
The concern is that we, once again, overload hospitals, but in the autumn, and leave ourselves in the position of enforcing another, proper, lockdown when winter arrives. Do I know that will happen? No, of course not, but logic dictates that it is a real possibility.
This, as the general thrust of the article, is true:
"As the virus presents less of a risk, that in turn shifts the balance on what can be considered proportionate."
At some stage we need to manage C19 as we do other viruses (the obvious comparison being with flu where vulnerable groups are offered a vaccine each year). I don't know which groups will need to be offered an annual C19 vaccine, the same as those offered the flu vaccine or more, but that must surely come; the govt is already talking about a September booster.
Personally, however, I don't think it is a proportionate response from the government to waive all measures at once. Where is the talk of "the new normal" these days? Sunk without trace by pressure groups within parliament?
So I believe a staged relaxation of measures may have been the better response. That of course comes with its own challenges around policing, financial compensation, etc, etc. Nevertheless at this stage it just feels like the right thing to do to continue to mandate on things like masks and distancing in specific scenarios (matching those where the govt will continue to advise voluntary adherence to existing protocols - confined spaces, public transport, poorly ventilated areas).
It is disappointing, too, that the potential relaxation of rules is not being used as the driver to improve things like workplace ventilation where appropriate.
Given the government's record over the last 18 months I have to say I am concerned that we are the test case for the remainder of the globe "...the world will be watching what happens on these shores."
Finally, as it seems to be the requirement on here to push anecdote, 100% of the people I have spoken to so far about yesterday's announcement view it as another misstep. |  |
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| Get in on 12:25 - Jul 6 with 1125 views | TractorCam |
| Get in on 10:35 - Jul 6 by The_Last_Baron |
I'd take an estimate that 60% of people in my social circle have no interest in ever taking these jabs, 20% have taken it and the other 20% are wait and see/unsure. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:36]
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If you're in the 20-30 age bracket then you're backing up makin's point more than mine. | |
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| Get in on 12:30 - Jul 6 with 1107 views | marchy |
| Get in on 10:35 - Jul 6 by The_Last_Baron |
I'd take an estimate that 60% of people in my social circle have no interest in ever taking these jabs, 20% have taken it and the other 20% are wait and see/unsure. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:36]
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Sounds like the lot of you are in need of more help than a vaccine can give you anyway. |  | | |
| Get in on 12:32 - Jul 6 with 1100 views | Ryorry |
| Get in on 11:59 - Jul 6 by You_Bloo_Right |
It's an interesting read but let's take a few snippets.
Compare this (my emphasis):
"As the charts above show, infection rates are rising. If they rise enough, that has the potential to cause a significant number of hospitalisations, possibly 1,000 a day before summer is out."
with this:
"In the depths of winter there can be 1,000 admissions a day for respiratory infections."
The concern is that we, once again, overload hospitals, but in the autumn, and leave ourselves in the position of enforcing another, proper, lockdown when winter arrives. Do I know that will happen? No, of course not, but logic dictates that it is a real possibility.
This, as the general thrust of the article, is true:
"As the virus presents less of a risk, that in turn shifts the balance on what can be considered proportionate."
At some stage we need to manage C19 as we do other viruses (the obvious comparison being with flu where vulnerable groups are offered a vaccine each year). I don't know which groups will need to be offered an annual C19 vaccine, the same as those offered the flu vaccine or more, but that must surely come; the govt is already talking about a September booster.
Personally, however, I don't think it is a proportionate response from the government to waive all measures at once. Where is the talk of "the new normal" these days? Sunk without trace by pressure groups within parliament?
So I believe a staged relaxation of measures may have been the better response. That of course comes with its own challenges around policing, financial compensation, etc, etc. Nevertheless at this stage it just feels like the right thing to do to continue to mandate on things like masks and distancing in specific scenarios (matching those where the govt will continue to advise voluntary adherence to existing protocols - confined spaces, public transport, poorly ventilated areas).
It is disappointing, too, that the potential relaxation of rules is not being used as the driver to improve things like workplace ventilation where appropriate.
Given the government's record over the last 18 months I have to say I am concerned that we are the test case for the remainder of the globe "...the world will be watching what happens on these shores."
Finally, as it seems to be the requirement on here to push anecdote, 100% of the people I have spoken to so far about yesterday's announcement view it as another misstep. |
Ex-banker with no professional knowledge or experience of health care takes control of the nation's health. What could possibly go wrong?
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| Get in (n/t) on 12:32 - Jul 6 with 1094 views | chrismakin |
| Get in (n/t) on 11:41 - Jul 6 by The_Romford_Blue |
‘ Unfortunately because a large majority, mainly those between 20 and 30 cant change their habits for a year or 2 to help the country get through it, we have people losing their lives just so these people can go and what... dance in a nightclub. Such a desperate requirement to be able to live.’
That’s nonsense. I’ve literally reactivated my account just to point out how much bollox that is.
People like me in that category of 20-30 sacrificed 15 months of a 32 month degree. No socialising. No lessons in classes. No shagging randoms and living the nightly life of a student getting pissed 6 nights a week. No sports clubs. Courses dramatically changed (my sports cocachint course lost the sports coaching element entirely). No discount on the degree. Still the same amounts. Landlords charging full rent and holding students to contracts pre-covid despite nobody needing to be there anymore as it was online. For a disease that was never likely to kill any of us. But we did it for the good of the country.
To read people like you throwing that effort away as though it’s just a load of us whining we can’t go ‘dancing in a nightclub’ is just nonsense and somebody had to point it out to you. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 11:46]
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Romford. No need for you to point it out. I am well aware there are plenty of students in that positon. Similar to there are plenty of the older generatio who refuse the vaccine. Refuse to wear masks etc. So the older gen arent all Angels.
That doesnt mean its 100% on either generation tho. However when you watch and see the majority ( and that's my point a large majorty) of people at anti vacs marches. Anti lockdown etc. Social media posts bemoaning lockdown or masks or pubs clubs shut etc. The large majority are those between 20 and 30. When you go to a pub. What's the majority age range? 20-30. |  |
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| Get in on 12:34 - Jul 6 with 1089 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Get in on 11:59 - Jul 6 by You_Bloo_Right |
It's an interesting read but let's take a few snippets.
Compare this (my emphasis):
"As the charts above show, infection rates are rising. If they rise enough, that has the potential to cause a significant number of hospitalisations, possibly 1,000 a day before summer is out."
with this:
"In the depths of winter there can be 1,000 admissions a day for respiratory infections."
The concern is that we, once again, overload hospitals, but in the autumn, and leave ourselves in the position of enforcing another, proper, lockdown when winter arrives. Do I know that will happen? No, of course not, but logic dictates that it is a real possibility.
This, as the general thrust of the article, is true:
"As the virus presents less of a risk, that in turn shifts the balance on what can be considered proportionate."
At some stage we need to manage C19 as we do other viruses (the obvious comparison being with flu where vulnerable groups are offered a vaccine each year). I don't know which groups will need to be offered an annual C19 vaccine, the same as those offered the flu vaccine or more, but that must surely come; the govt is already talking about a September booster.
Personally, however, I don't think it is a proportionate response from the government to waive all measures at once. Where is the talk of "the new normal" these days? Sunk without trace by pressure groups within parliament?
So I believe a staged relaxation of measures may have been the better response. That of course comes with its own challenges around policing, financial compensation, etc, etc. Nevertheless at this stage it just feels like the right thing to do to continue to mandate on things like masks and distancing in specific scenarios (matching those where the govt will continue to advise voluntary adherence to existing protocols - confined spaces, public transport, poorly ventilated areas).
It is disappointing, too, that the potential relaxation of rules is not being used as the driver to improve things like workplace ventilation where appropriate.
Given the government's record over the last 18 months I have to say I am concerned that we are the test case for the remainder of the globe "...the world will be watching what happens on these shores."
Finally, as it seems to be the requirement on here to push anecdote, 100% of the people I have spoken to so far about yesterday's announcement view it as another misstep. |
Good post. You'd think a new normal would require something new; a change to how we go about our business, even if minor, rather than just letting go and an abdication of governmental responsibility.
As you say, we could be looking at things like ventilation more, but we hear nothing about that. |  |
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