| Nothing to see here 07:32 - Nov 26 with 35935 views | hampstead_blue |
If, and if, JC was doing the right thing by the Jewish people in the Labour party, why would this venerable chap say this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50552068
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| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Nothing to see here on 09:13 - Nov 26 with 5188 views | flimflam |
| Nothing to see here on 08:56 - Nov 26 by No9 |
"The story was from that bastion of Tory media, the BBC."
The BBC has, indeed since 2010 moved to the right - how much was due to the pressure applied by Osborne & Whittingdale we may never know.
What we do know no is there are a number of right wing producers & editors + presenters like Nick Robinson & Andrew Neil ensuring right wing organisations like Gyuide Fawkes and Taxpayers Alliance get a lot of air time + Iain Dale is hadly out of any political programmes.
The political programmes have become a source of disinformation NOT lies but avoiding facts |
What a load of guff. |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 09:13 - Nov 26 with 5189 views | BloomBlue |
A sad indictment of the UK in 2019 that Jewish people in the UK feel threatened and even sadder some people will try and justify it by claiming it's all down to the right wing press. |  | | |
| Nothing to see here on 09:20 - Nov 26 with 5165 views | hampstead_blue |
| Nothing to see here on 08:51 - Nov 26 by StokieBlue |
Regardless of whether you agree with him or not I don't think it's right for the religious leader of any denomination to single out specific parties or people during and election campaign in a secular country.
He could have made the same anti-racism points covering all forms of racism without specifically fingering one individual much like the archbishop did with fake news.
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I agree that people of his position ought to be neutral during elections.
My huge concern is that he also knows that but still feels to strongly that he's put his head on the block by speaking out.
That tells me there is a serious, serious concern still among the Jewish community.
That's the concern.
Oh, the Tories and Islamophobia, I'm against that as well. I'm an atheist but think we should have the right to believe what we want. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Nothing to see here on 09:24 - Nov 26 with 5153 views | Butterbing |
| Nothing to see here on 09:13 - Nov 26 by BloomBlue |
A sad indictment of the UK in 2019 that Jewish people in the UK feel threatened and even sadder some people will try and justify it by claiming it's all down to the right wing press. |
Is anybody justifying it? I don’t think they are. People are just sceptical. Also, pointing out that the conservatives seem to have similar issues. Racism is being weaponised fir political purposes. There doesn’t seem to be any tangible evidence that the issue is as large as is being made out to be by the Conservatives and the right-leaning media. We are just being told it is a problem. Racism and Anti-Semitism are deplorable. You cannot currently just make it a Labour problem. There are still undercurrents in all society. It needs stamping out rather than being used as a political weapon to demonise a political leader at the time of an election. |  | | |
| Nothing to see here on 09:43 - Nov 26 with 5108 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Nothing to see here on 08:33 - Nov 26 by hampstead_blue |
Please. He's the Chief Rabbi for crying out loud.
Dismissing him as just a bloke is a bit thin.
Is he the chosen one or just a very naughty boy?
I'm starting to worry about your devotion to him. |
The Archbishop of Canterbury is a bit of a w@nker too...just for balance! |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 09:45 - Nov 26 with 5107 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nothing to see here on 09:24 - Nov 26 by Butterbing |
Is anybody justifying it? I don’t think they are. People are just sceptical. Also, pointing out that the conservatives seem to have similar issues. Racism is being weaponised fir political purposes. There doesn’t seem to be any tangible evidence that the issue is as large as is being made out to be by the Conservatives and the right-leaning media. We are just being told it is a problem. Racism and Anti-Semitism are deplorable. You cannot currently just make it a Labour problem. There are still undercurrents in all society. It needs stamping out rather than being used as a political weapon to demonise a political leader at the time of an election. |
Robert Peston, no friend of the Tories, nails it.
“The Chief Rabbi’s intervention in the general election is without precedent. I find it heartbreaking, as a Jew, that the rabbi who by convention is seen as the figurehead of the Jewish community, feels compelled to write this about Labour and its leader.
I am not making any kind of political statement here. What I am saying is our democracy has traditionally been a beacon of tolerance and understanding. The chief rabbi says our democracy has been poisoned. I hope his intervention is a catharsis that heals but I fear the worst.
There is an enormous amount of predictable “whataboutery” in response the Chief Rabbi - “what about Islamaphobia in Tory party?” etc. Which is as if to say we don’t need to worry about alleged racism in one of the main parties if there is alleged racism in the other one.
Really? If that is your argument, we really are in the handcart to hell.”
Yiu are amongst a number if posters who are going to feel very dirty when the EHRC publishes its conclusions. |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 09:45 - Nov 26 with 5101 views | giant_stow |
| Nothing to see here on 09:40 - Nov 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Save me some time will you and provide all his public pronouncements on his attitude of the current regime to the 2 state solution?
I am sure he has had a team of independent researchers critically analysing actual facts!  |
I thought this thread was about a Rabbi voicing concerns about antisemitism in Britain - what's ateo state solution got to do with that? |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 09:46 - Nov 26 with 5094 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nothing to see here on 09:40 - Nov 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Save me some time will you and provide all his public pronouncements on his attitude of the current regime to the 2 state solution?
I am sure he has had a team of independent researchers critically analysing actual facts! |
Bingo. | |
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| Nothing to see here on 09:47 - Nov 26 with 5091 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Nothing to see here on 08:56 - Nov 26 by flimflam |
This thread is showing a few posters up for what they really are.
Interesting how blinkered people are when defending their own agendas but happy to attack when on the other foot.
Current politics is in the gutter and issues like this need to be called out on all sides. |
Calling out genuine examples without inflating for political gain is all people ask for imho. | |
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| Nothing to see here on 09:47 - Nov 26 with 5089 views | lowhouseblue |
| Nothing to see here on 08:27 - Nov 26 by GlasgowBlue |
“One person’s view”.
Add that one person’s view to that of 85% of British Jews, the Board of Deputies, the Jewish Labour Movement and the three leading Jewish newspapers in this country.
But here is a circle you are unable to square. In a recent discussion on the subject of LGBT yiu kept saying that the speakers man for LGBT rights should be be believed as they were far more knowledgable about the subject than somebody posting in here. The Chief Rabbi is very much a spokesman for British Jews. Why don’t you accept e knows more about this subject than you? |
but there are jews who haven't personally experienced anti-semitism in the labour party.
(copyright twtd hard left clique 2015 -2019). |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 09:50 - Nov 26 with 5064 views | StokieBlue |
| Nothing to see here on 09:40 - Nov 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Save me some time will you and provide all his public pronouncements on his attitude of the current regime to the 2 state solution?
I am sure he has had a team of independent researchers critically analysing actual facts! |
And to think you accused me of whatabouterry yesterday.
Perhaps we all need to take a look at our posting?
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| Nothing to see here on 09:52 - Nov 26 with 5054 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Nothing to see here on 09:45 - Nov 26 by giant_stow |
I thought this thread was about a Rabbi voicing concerns about antisemitism in Britain - what's ateo state solution got to do with that? |
I am sure he has a balanced past in speaking out on perceived political wrong doing.
And GB has more Google copy and paste time than me. | |
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| Nothing to see here on 09:54 - Nov 26 with 5047 views | hampstead_blue |
| Nothing to see here on 09:47 - Nov 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Calling out genuine examples without inflating for political gain is all people ask for imho. |
"inflating for political gain"
Where in the OP in this?
Those on the left, rather than raise an eyebrow and think Hmmmmm, "maybe the Chief Rabbi has a point?", have simply had a pop at me for raising the point. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Nothing to see here on 09:58 - Nov 26 with 5036 views | GaryCooper |
| Nothing to see here on 09:54 - Nov 26 by hampstead_blue |
"inflating for political gain"
Where in the OP in this?
Those on the left, rather than raise an eyebrow and think Hmmmmm, "maybe the Chief Rabbi has a point?", have simply had a pop at me for raising the point. |
It is the new kinder type of politics, the politics that will bring the country together.
The new hard left are in fact everything they hate. |  | | |
| Nothing to see here on 10:01 - Nov 26 with 5020 views | giant_stow |
| Nothing to see here on 09:52 - Nov 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I am sure he has a balanced past in speaking out on perceived political wrong doing.
And GB has more Google copy and paste time than me. |
Fao: Jews
You've no right to complain about antisemitism in the UK unless you've previously spoke in favour of a two state solution in Israel. | |
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| Nothing to see here on 10:08 - Nov 26 with 5003 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nothing to see here on 09:47 - Nov 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Calling out genuine examples without inflating for political gain is all people ask for imho. |
Impossible. This is so deeply rooted in the Palestine/Israel question that's it's inevitable there will be all sorts of pressures brought to bear. And that's before we get to the internal Labour power struggle and the UK party politicking.
The outcome of the (EHRC) inquiry will be interesting and is much needed, notwithstanding that the Chakrabarti inquiry (which faced accusations of being compromised) and Home Affairs Select Committee inquiry both found no reliable evidence of systematic antisemitism in the Labour Party.
Hopefully the EHRC will get to the bottom if this, but I wouldn't be surprised if this never gets resolved. |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 10:08 - Nov 26 with 4993 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nothing to see here on 10:01 - Nov 26 by giant_stow |
Fao: Jews
You've no right to complain about antisemitism in the UK unless you've previously spoke in favour of a two state solution in Israel. |
This is Banksy. He’s casually thrown about a number of AS tropes in here over the years. Including referring to the Israeli government as “your lot” to a non Israeli Jewish poster. he's also demanded evidence that Jews don’t “exercise undue influence in organisations, the government, the media, finance and your life” . [Post edited 26 Nov 2019 10:15]
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| Nothing to see here on 10:14 - Nov 26 with 4967 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nothing to see here on 10:08 - Nov 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Impossible. This is so deeply rooted in the Palestine/Israel question that's it's inevitable there will be all sorts of pressures brought to bear. And that's before we get to the internal Labour power struggle and the UK party politicking.
The outcome of the (EHRC) inquiry will be interesting and is much needed, notwithstanding that the Chakrabarti inquiry (which faced accusations of being compromised) and Home Affairs Select Committee inquiry both found no reliable evidence of systematic antisemitism in the Labour Party.
Hopefully the EHRC will get to the bottom if this, but I wouldn't be surprised if this never gets resolved. |
The HOC select committee,which is now nearly three years old, states that"elements of the Labour movement are institutionally antisemitic".
The report also says Corbyn showed a "lack of consistent leadership on this issue, and his reluctance to separate antisemitism from other forms of racism, has created what some have referred to as a ‘safe space’ for those with vile attitudes towards Jewish people. This situation has been further exacerbated by the Party’s demonstrable incompetence at dealing with members accused of antisemitism".
It also says "Jewish Labour MPs have been subject to appalling levels of abuse, including antisemitic death threats from individuals purporting to be supporters of Mr Corbyn."
And goes on to say "The Labour Party, with its proud history of fighting racism and promoting equal rights, is seen by some as an unwelcoming place for Jewish members and activists."
The Chakrabarti inquiry was a complete whitewash. Can you imagine any other “independent person” giving a political party a c,Dan bill of health and within weeks being made a life peer and appointed shadow attorney general? That was an absolute disgrace. | |
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| Nothing to see here on 10:29 - Nov 26 with 4941 views | giant_stow |
| Nothing to see here on 10:08 - Nov 26 by GlasgowBlue |
This is Banksy. He’s casually thrown about a number of AS tropes in here over the years. Including referring to the Israeli government as “your lot” to a non Israeli Jewish poster. he's also demanded evidence that Jews don’t “exercise undue influence in organisations, the government, the media, finance and your life” . [Post edited 26 Nov 2019 10:15]
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Sad to see a fella's commitment to a worthy cause take such a turn. | |
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| Nothing to see here on 10:39 - Nov 26 with 4928 views | ZedRodgers |
Because, in Rabbi Mirvis' own words:
“I am delighted to congratulate Boris Johnson, a longstanding friend and champion of the Jewish community, on becoming the next leader of the Conservative Party and our next Prime Minister. As he accepts upon himself the mantle of responsibility to lead our nation, may he be blessed with the wisdom to successfully navigate the political uncertainties we face and bring healing and prosperity to our great country.” |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 10:41 - Nov 26 with 4921 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Nothing to see here on 08:33 - Nov 26 by hampstead_blue |
Please. He's the Chief Rabbi for crying out loud.
Dismissing him as just a bloke is a bit thin.
Is he the chosen one or just a very naughty boy?
I'm starting to worry about your devotion to him. |
I'm surprised you have the nerve to return here after you were utterly destroyed by everyone the other day. You're a busted flush mate. |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 10:44 - Nov 26 with 4915 views | Darth_Koont |
Because just like a belief in a mythical deity, people will believe what they want to believe.
Call me old-fashioned but I think evidence and facts carry more weight. |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 10:44 - Nov 26 with 4909 views | chicoazul |
| Nothing to see here on 10:41 - Nov 26 by BrixtonBlue |
I'm surprised you have the nerve to return here after you were utterly destroyed by everyone the other day. You're a busted flush mate. |
And yet Jerseys, here you still are. |  |
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| Nothing to see here on 10:45 - Nov 26 with 4909 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Nothing to see here on 08:47 - Nov 26 by Steve_M |
He is, of course, correct. And the vociferous denials across social media by Labour supporters only serve to underline how too many are ignoring the problem.
However, the idea that many on the right are equally keen to propagate, that the anti-racism vote should go to the current incarnation of the Tory Party is just cognitive dissonance. The festering Islamophobia within the Tory party is as abhorrent as the antisemitism within the Labour Party. |
Yeah but the Tories aren't being investigated (yet) so it's all alright.
BTW, you can bet your bottom dollar that if it were the Tories being investigated by the EHRC, the same people reminding us about Labour being investigated would be saying "let's just wait for their findings."
There's so much hypocrisy in this election. | |
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