| Conservative manifesto 19:18 - Nov 24 with 8108 views | Herbivore |
Looks to be less a manifesto and more a couple of slogans endlessly repeated. It's shockingly lacking in detail and substance and offers no real vision for the country. |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 19:59 - Nov 24 with 1148 views | Herbivore |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:55 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
I guess they feel...and possibly correctly, that they dont need to do anything.
I'm struggling to understand how anyone can vote Tory.
Corbyn is far from appeing on face value granted but are people that scared or blind that they'd vote Tory?
They called the referendum, to deal with an internal issue...were among enough to consider they knew the outcome. Have then implemented a damaging austerity approach whilst failing to deliver Brexit etc etc.
Madness. |
Indeed. I think people genuinely are that scared of Corbyn though. Look at two threads Hampstead started recently; they both bordered on hysteria but the things he was worried about were contradicted by the very links he'd posted in his OP. Where do you even go with that? People are so convinced that Corbyn hates business and hates the country that they're immune to reason and don't even read their own evidence properly. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:01 - Nov 24 with 1133 views | footers |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:52 - Nov 24 by BackToRussia |
Jeremy Corbyn didn't write it, so jimmy's a pretty big fan. |
Now, now. I'm expecting jimmyvet to return any time now with a detailed analysis on why this transformative manifesto is the one he'll be voting for. (Without reference to Corbyn) |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:01 - Nov 24 with 1134 views | Herbivore |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:58 - Nov 24 by LankHenners |
And I'm sure this is probably fine.
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Yeah, I saw that and it worries me. They are setting up a committee to look at rights and constitutional issues, you can guarantee that won't end well. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:02 - Nov 24 with 1129 views | J2BLUE |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:56 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
What specifically is ineffective about Labour in your opinion? They are offering a genuine alternative that is designed to make society fairer. I think you need to make it clear what you mean by Labour being ineffective before I can answer your question. |
Failing to really nail the Tories when given opportunities. Ian Blackford, as GB says, has been the real opposition leader in Westminster. I have been impressed with him every time he speaks. Corbyn has so much ammunition but seems to have failed to hold the Tories to account. It has all been far too easy for them to dismiss him since he became leader. The polls are not simply down to the press and people being stupid. The Labour front bench does not inspire confidence in many people. |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:03 - Nov 24 with 1113 views | footers |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:59 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
Indeed. I think people genuinely are that scared of Corbyn though. Look at two threads Hampstead started recently; they both bordered on hysteria but the things he was worried about were contradicted by the very links he'd posted in his OP. Where do you even go with that? People are so convinced that Corbyn hates business and hates the country that they're immune to reason and don't even read their own evidence properly. |
Yes, but he's 'read' a non-biased 'academic' audiobook which explains why socialism simply can't work.
By that logic, Adam Smith and Karl Marx's works are basically the same thing, since they both wrote academic texts. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:04 - Nov 24 with 1115 views | homer_123 |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:59 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
Indeed. I think people genuinely are that scared of Corbyn though. Look at two threads Hampstead started recently; they both bordered on hysteria but the things he was worried about were contradicted by the very links he'd posted in his OP. Where do you even go with that? People are so convinced that Corbyn hates business and hates the country that they're immune to reason and don't even read their own evidence properly. |
I posted yesterday that it appears that people are threatened and scared of a left socialist Labour gov...as you say...to the point of hysteria. Yet few seemed worried by the Tories move to the right and what that brings.
As J2 asked...is this the media? Or something else.
There is loads in the Labour manifesto that inherently seems fair, right and reasonable. Sure some stuff is OTT but at least it feels like they are trying redress the social balance and fabric. |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:07 - Nov 24 with 1096 views | homer_123 |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:02 - Nov 24 by J2BLUE |
Failing to really nail the Tories when given opportunities. Ian Blackford, as GB says, has been the real opposition leader in Westminster. I have been impressed with him every time he speaks. Corbyn has so much ammunition but seems to have failed to hold the Tories to account. It has all been far too easy for them to dismiss him since he became leader. The polls are not simply down to the press and people being stupid. The Labour front bench does not inspire confidence in many people. |
That's not an unfair analysis J2. But it does seems peoples starting point with JC and Labour is of an utterly leftist agenda. Yet being blind to the Tories move to the right.
How the Tories are getting away with is beyond me. Regardless of alternatives. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:11 - Nov 24 with 1074 views | Herbivore |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:02 - Nov 24 by J2BLUE |
Failing to really nail the Tories when given opportunities. Ian Blackford, as GB says, has been the real opposition leader in Westminster. I have been impressed with him every time he speaks. Corbyn has so much ammunition but seems to have failed to hold the Tories to account. It has all been far too easy for them to dismiss him since he became leader. The polls are not simply down to the press and people being stupid. The Labour front bench does not inspire confidence in many people. |
What specifically have they not done? They were instrumental in preventing a no deal Brexit. They constantly challenge the Tories about their track record. The narrative given by the press doesn't reflect that of course.
Take a look at this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-british-uk-media
When the press is giving net positive coverage to the Tories whilst demonstrating a huge net negative bias against Labour what do you think they can do to counter that? Where do you even begin with the Tories being the only party receiving positive press coverage after the debacle of the last 9 years? Labour are offering a genuine alternative to the Tories, one that seeks to promote a much fairer society, but many people won't even listen at this point. What more can they do, would you say?
For what it's worth I have said and still think that Corbyn's lack of clarity on Brexit has been an issue, though look how much that is played up in comparison to the flip flopping that Johnson and most of his cabinet have done on Brexit. The antisemitism issue has also created a stain but again look at the extent of the coverage in comparison to how racism in the Tory party is reported. That doesn't excuse Labour but more equitable coverage of both parties would lead to quite different public perceptions than exist currently, in my opinion. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 20:14]
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:11 - Nov 24 with 1072 views | Darth_Koont |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:02 - Nov 24 by J2BLUE |
Failing to really nail the Tories when given opportunities. Ian Blackford, as GB says, has been the real opposition leader in Westminster. I have been impressed with him every time he speaks. Corbyn has so much ammunition but seems to have failed to hold the Tories to account. It has all been far too easy for them to dismiss him since he became leader. The polls are not simply down to the press and people being stupid. The Labour front bench does not inspire confidence in many people. |
So easy that the right-wing opposition and its media has had to lie and smear on almost every point for four years? And predominantly at a personal level?
The battleground and political debate has been everything other than over policy (Conservatives and their record vs. Labour's opposition to that and alternatives). |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:12 - Nov 24 with 1061 views | footers |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:04 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
I posted yesterday that it appears that people are threatened and scared of a left socialist Labour gov...as you say...to the point of hysteria. Yet few seemed worried by the Tories move to the right and what that brings.
As J2 asked...is this the media? Or something else.
There is loads in the Labour manifesto that inherently seems fair, right and reasonable. Sure some stuff is OTT but at least it feels like they are trying redress the social balance and fabric. |
Look at who's controlled the majority of the media in this country for the last 30-or-so years. Murdoch, Rothermere, Barclays. Their circulations have constantly drip-fed this kind of thinking to the British people. Wonder why we voted Leave? Here's an inexhaustive list of stories...
EC regulations to ban playgrounds — Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels — The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams — Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds — Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads — The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow — Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ — Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats — Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ — The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU — The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys — Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists — The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules — Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers — The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats — The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage — The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU — Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law — Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans — Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze — The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ — The European
British loaf of bread under threat from EU — Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups — The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs — Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds — Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned — Daily Telegraph
EU bans eating competition cakes — Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES — Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery — Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales — Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design — Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census — Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules — PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds — The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules — Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells — Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry — The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU — Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses — Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU — Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers — Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever — Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised — Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye — Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU — Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies — Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils — The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban — Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products — Daily Mail
Domain names — ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ — Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses — The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs — Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen — Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug — Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast — Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ — Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts — Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs — The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU — Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed — The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs — The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU — Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers — Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets — Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures — Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”— the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers — Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France — Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks — The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks — News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station — Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels — The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies — Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman — The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs — Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas — The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys — The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death — Sunday Telegraph
EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts — Daily Express
2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU — Daily Mirror
EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined — Daily Star
Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU — The Sun
EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys — The Sun
British rhubarb to be straight — The Sun
EU to ban rocking horses — The Sun
Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU — Daily Telegraph
Brussels ban on pints of shandy — The Times
“High up” signs to be put on mountains — BBC
Euronotes cause impotence — Daily Mail
EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook — Daily Mail
Strawberries must be oval — The Sun
EU orders swings to be pulled down — Daily Express
Tea bags banned from being recycled — BBC
British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo — The Sun
Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment — Daily Telegraph
Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU — Daily Star
EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ — Sunday Mirror
EU to ban zipper trousers — The Sun | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:13 - Nov 24 with 1062 views | J2BLUE |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:07 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
That's not an unfair analysis J2. But it does seems peoples starting point with JC and Labour is of an utterly leftist agenda. Yet being blind to the Tories move to the right.
How the Tories are getting away with is beyond me. Regardless of alternatives. |
I agree with that. I think the opposition parties are also partly to blame though. It's Johnson or Corbyn, that much is clear. Swinson, greens, SNP and Corbyn all need to swallow their pride and have a formal pact. Swinson should agree to that in exchange for a binding referendum. Trust the people to make the choice. Instead we have Swinson backing herself into a corner saying she won't put Corbyn in number 10 and she has to stick to that or kill the Lib Dems forever.
Where is the anti Tory alliance? They are letting them walk back into government. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:16 - Nov 24 with 1041 views | WeWereZombies |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:02 - Nov 24 by J2BLUE |
Failing to really nail the Tories when given opportunities. Ian Blackford, as GB says, has been the real opposition leader in Westminster. I have been impressed with him every time he speaks. Corbyn has so much ammunition but seems to have failed to hold the Tories to account. It has all been far too easy for them to dismiss him since he became leader. The polls are not simply down to the press and people being stupid. The Labour front bench does not inspire confidence in many people. |
Blackford is my MP and I have never been impressed by what he says or how he says it, even when he has replied to my emails. I cannot see any other possibility than voting Lib Dem at the moment but it has to be said that in that televised leader's questions on Friday evening that Corbyn was some way ahead of the other speakers in getting his points across (although Swinson was the only one with the integrity to present answers that actually relate to the problems we face and for that she got the stone cold reaction). |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:17 - Nov 24 with 1037 views | Bluefish |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:12 - Nov 24 by footers |
Look at who's controlled the majority of the media in this country for the last 30-or-so years. Murdoch, Rothermere, Barclays. Their circulations have constantly drip-fed this kind of thinking to the British people. Wonder why we voted Leave? Here's an inexhaustive list of stories...
EC regulations to ban playgrounds — Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels — The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams — Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds — Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads — The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow — Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ — Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats — Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ — The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU — The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys — Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists — The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules — Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers — The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats — The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage — The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU — Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law — Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans — Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze — The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ — The European
British loaf of bread under threat from EU — Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups — The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs — Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds — Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned — Daily Telegraph
EU bans eating competition cakes — Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES — Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery — Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales — Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design — Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census — Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules — PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds — The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules — Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells — Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry — The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU — Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses — Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU — Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers — Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever — Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised — Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye — Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU — Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies — Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils — The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban — Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products — Daily Mail
Domain names — ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ — Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses — The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs — Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen — Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug — Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast — Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ — Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts — Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs — The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU — Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed — The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs — The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU — Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers — Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets — Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures — Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”— the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers — Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France — Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks — The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks — News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station — Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels — The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies — Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman — The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs — Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas — The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys — The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death — Sunday Telegraph
EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts — Daily Express
2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU — Daily Mirror
EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined — Daily Star
Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU — The Sun
EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys — The Sun
British rhubarb to be straight — The Sun
EU to ban rocking horses — The Sun
Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU — Daily Telegraph
Brussels ban on pints of shandy — The Times
“High up” signs to be put on mountains — BBC
Euronotes cause impotence — Daily Mail
EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook — Daily Mail
Strawberries must be oval — The Sun
EU orders swings to be pulled down — Daily Express
Tea bags banned from being recycled — BBC
British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo — The Sun
Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment — Daily Telegraph
Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU — Daily Star
EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ — Sunday Mirror
EU to ban zipper trousers — The Sun |
Leave voters are very very thick, the press saw them as easy gullible targets |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:19 - Nov 24 with 1028 views | m14_blue |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:11 - Nov 24 by Darth_Koont |
So easy that the right-wing opposition and its media has had to lie and smear on almost every point for four years? And predominantly at a personal level?
The battleground and political debate has been everything other than over policy (Conservatives and their record vs. Labour's opposition to that and alternatives). |
How on earth is this abuse?
People seem to be very frivolous with reporting abuse at the moment, which isn't very fair on Phil and Gav (never mind Mark...) |  | | |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:21 - Nov 24 with 1018 views | WD19 |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:17 - Nov 24 by Bluefish |
Leave voters are very very thick, the press saw them as easy gullible targets |
Same goes for the 78% of the population who currently see Corbyn as incompetent (Based on current polling). They are just stupid and don’t ‘get it’, poor souls. |  | | |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:21 - Nov 24 with 1015 views | Bluefish |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:19 - Nov 24 by m14_blue |
How on earth is this abuse?
People seem to be very frivolous with reporting abuse at the moment, which isn't very fair on Phil and Gav (never mind Mark...) |
Abuse reports shouldn't be anonymous, there is no need for them to be | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:22 - Nov 24 with 1012 views | footers |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:17 - Nov 24 by Bluefish |
Leave voters are very very thick, the press saw them as easy gullible targets |
You're not suggesting that expat, tax-dodging, right-wing press barons would attempt to convince their readers to vote Leave and Tory for their own ends and against their readers' best interests, are you? That seems highly unlikely to me. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:23 - Nov 24 with 1011 views | Bluefish |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:21 - Nov 24 by WD19 |
Same goes for the 78% of the population who currently see Corbyn as incompetent (Based on current polling). They are just stupid and don’t ‘get it’, poor souls. |
Or he has done a really poor job in opposition of the biggest shambles of a government for a very long time (x2) | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:28 - Nov 24 with 991 views | BlueBadger |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:49 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
How will they address..
Backwards social mobility
Fewer and fewer people controlling the wealth
Chronic NHS underfunding
Social care
Police, Education etc.
On initial inspection that manifesto is very little if anything over and above a sticking plaster. |
It's almost like the Conservative party don't give a sh1t about people who aren't very rich, white people. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 23:30]
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:33 - Nov 24 with 967 views | itfcjoe |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:59 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
Indeed. I think people genuinely are that scared of Corbyn though. Look at two threads Hampstead started recently; they both bordered on hysteria but the things he was worried about were contradicted by the very links he'd posted in his OP. Where do you even go with that? People are so convinced that Corbyn hates business and hates the country that they're immune to reason and don't even read their own evidence properly. |
Post match yesterday I spoke to a couple of people in the pub, there was one who was so anti-Corbyn. Smart guy, successful business owner and he thinks buy to let market will see a 15% drop in value and that he would be out of business which seems OTT. He was amazed I wasn’t anti him running a business and thought we’d go out of business too, I don’t see anything in their manifesto to fear. He had a mate who just kept jumping in with communist chat, anti success etc.
Another guy was just anti him and couldn’t say why, but is someone who should be a labour voter, certainly shouldn’t be a Tory voter when you look at career etc. But Corbyn has been smeared so much people hate him and can’t articulate why.
I picked up a copy of the sun when waiting to get a haircut on Sat. Their review of the leaders debate was mental - Tragic Granpa for Corbyn and a full double page of criticism. Boris was apparently statesman like and able to successfully and skill fully negotiate it all and was the winner of rthe night. |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:42 - Nov 24 with 943 views | BlueBadger |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:04 - Nov 24 by homer_123 |
I posted yesterday that it appears that people are threatened and scared of a left socialist Labour gov...as you say...to the point of hysteria. Yet few seemed worried by the Tories move to the right and what that brings.
As J2 asked...is this the media? Or something else.
There is loads in the Labour manifesto that inherently seems fair, right and reasonable. Sure some stuff is OTT but at least it feels like they are trying redress the social balance and fabric. |
At this point, I think the main, real, problem Labour have is the Dear Leader. A Charisma vacuum with a dodgy past and iffy present mates. A genuinely competent leader lacking Corbyn's lack of leadership, baggage and associations would be DESTROYING the Tories with a manifesto unchanged from the 2019 one. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:43 - Nov 24 with 939 views | Darth_Koont |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:23 - Nov 24 by Bluefish |
Or he has done a really poor job in opposition of the biggest shambles of a government for a very long time (x2) |
This is a good piece from one journalist about being on the receiving end of "the Corbyn treatment" by the right-wing press. And this was just in one area and over a short newscycle, not anything and everything over 4 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/03/land-reform-brute-power-bi
This is the level of political "debate" our media has made the norm. And completely disrupts the political process of opposition, unless that "opposition" is centrist and largely won't change anything that powerful people don't want changed. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:45 - Nov 24 with 929 views | footers |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:42 - Nov 24 by BlueBadger |
At this point, I think the main, real, problem Labour have is the Dear Leader. A Charisma vacuum with a dodgy past and iffy present mates. A genuinely competent leader lacking Corbyn's lack of leadership, baggage and associations would be DESTROYING the Tories with a manifesto unchanged from the 2019 one. |
Honest question, Badge... do you think another leader promoting the same Labour 17/19 manifestos wouldn't get the same level of character assassination as Corbyn? I think so. Maybe he has more material to work with, but the jist would be the same imo. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:49 - Nov 24 with 915 views | Ftnfwest |
Well it’s easy to forget to include the odd £53bn pledge every now and again after all |  | | |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:52 - Nov 24 with 897 views | BlueBadger |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:45 - Nov 24 by footers |
Honest question, Badge... do you think another leader promoting the same Labour 17/19 manifestos wouldn't get the same level of character assassination as Corbyn? I think so. Maybe he has more material to work with, but the jist would be the same imo. |
I'm sure it'd happen, but the Dear Leader has more genuine material they can work with. All they had with Ed Milliband was 'look at what he doe with a bacon sandwich. Oh, and his dad once wrote an essay in sixth form sayinh Capitalism is Bad'.
With the Dear Leader you've got everything from hiding in 2016 to Brexit dithering posts 2016 to Diane Abbbot to Iranian Tv to Ken Livingtone and associated dithering to 'I have a letter from Mrs Trellis in North Wales' at PMQs. | |
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