| Conservative manifesto 19:18 - Nov 24 with 8107 views | Herbivore |
Looks to be less a manifesto and more a couple of slogans endlessly repeated. It's shockingly lacking in detail and substance and offers no real vision for the country. |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:52 - Nov 24 with 3581 views | m14_blue |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:49 - Nov 24 by Ftnfwest |
Well it’s easy to forget to include the odd £53bn pledge every now and again after all |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:52 - Nov 24 with 3581 views | Darth_Koont |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:45 - Nov 24 by footers |
Honest question, Badge... do you think another leader promoting the same Labour 17/19 manifestos wouldn't get the same level of character assassination as Corbyn? I think so. Maybe he has more material to work with, but the jist would be the same imo. |
Of course. They went after Miliband with whatever they could and he was basically promising a return to the centre.
They literally needed Blair to play their game before they called off their attack dogs. |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:53 - Nov 24 with 3578 views | BlueBadger |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:52 - Nov 24 by BlueBadger |
I'm sure it'd happen, but the Dear Leader has more genuine material they can work with. All they had with Ed Milliband was 'look at what he doe with a bacon sandwich. Oh, and his dad once wrote an essay in sixth form sayinh Capitalism is Bad'.
With the Dear Leader you've got everything from hiding in 2016 to Brexit dithering posts 2016 to Diane Abbbot to Iranian Tv to Ken Livingtone and associated dithering to 'I have a letter from Mrs Trellis in North Wales' at PMQs. |
Basically, he's less convincing than a Paul Lambert press conference. |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:55 - Nov 24 with 3570 views | BackToRussia |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:52 - Nov 24 by BlueBadger |
I'm sure it'd happen, but the Dear Leader has more genuine material they can work with. All they had with Ed Milliband was 'look at what he doe with a bacon sandwich. Oh, and his dad once wrote an essay in sixth form sayinh Capitalism is Bad'.
With the Dear Leader you've got everything from hiding in 2016 to Brexit dithering posts 2016 to Diane Abbbot to Iranian Tv to Ken Livingtone and associated dithering to 'I have a letter from Mrs Trellis in North Wales' at PMQs. |
They used the same "Red Scare" b0llocks with Ed Milliband. "Red Ed" and calling him a socialist as if that were an insult. A reminder: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/06/sun-ed-miliband-labour-mail-telegr |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 20:56 - Nov 24 with 3567 views | Ftnfwest |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:52 - Nov 24 by m14_blue |
What did you think of it? |
Haven’t looked yet, are there any referendums in it? |  | | |
| Conservative manifesto on 21:03 - Nov 24 with 3549 views | BlueBadger |
Yes, and they haven't had to try as hand this time round. Poor old Ed's main failngs were being a bit of a wet lettuce who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich competently. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 21:11 - Nov 24 with 3541 views | footers |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:52 - Nov 24 by BlueBadger |
I'm sure it'd happen, but the Dear Leader has more genuine material they can work with. All they had with Ed Milliband was 'look at what he doe with a bacon sandwich. Oh, and his dad once wrote an essay in sixth form sayinh Capitalism is Bad'.
With the Dear Leader you've got everything from hiding in 2016 to Brexit dithering posts 2016 to Diane Abbbot to Iranian Tv to Ken Livingtone and associated dithering to 'I have a letter from Mrs Trellis in North Wales' at PMQs. |
Hmm, well you're not exactly helping matters with your characterisation!
Half of those aren't about JC anyhoo, and surely the Brexit stance is understandable given the complexity of Brexit with Labour Leave seats? He'd be accused of betrayal otherwise.
Anyway, he's brought he party and mainstream discussion back to an almost centrist place which, for me anyway, is where we need to be going. Sticking plasters aren't what's needed atm, but whether anyone is in any position to deliver that is questionable given the climate.
Don't get me wrong, Corbyn's leadership has made me spit feathers at many points, but he's still one of the only people I trust to deliver a truly leftist alternative. More of the same centrism won't fix anything, and anyone proposing even Milibandism will be branded in the same way. Sad times.
P.S. Also interesting to see a thread dedicated to scrutinising the Conservative manifesto, their previous record etc has turned into another thread about JC! How about we all focus on the subject, eh? [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 21:12]
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| Conservative manifesto on 21:18 - Nov 24 with 3531 views | BlueBadger |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:21 - Nov 24 by WD19 |
Same goes for the 78% of the population who currently see Corbyn as incompetent (Based on current polling). They are just stupid and don’t ‘get it’, poor souls. |
In all fairness, Corbyn IS incompetent. Just less incompetent than the alternatives. This is where we're at in 2019 politics.
Plus, look at what he's been up against. Frankly, thee average TWTD poster could destroy Boris, May or Call Me Dave at the ballot box.
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| Conservative manifesto on 21:20 - Nov 24 with 3527 views | BloomBlue |
It doesn't need to be the other main party wants to take the country back to the 60/70s and the old days of the unions, neither manifesto is visionary or revolutionary [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 21:21]
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| Conservative manifesto on 21:22 - Nov 24 with 3522 views | jeera |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:38 - Nov 24 by BackToRussia |
Was watching a doc on WWII the other day. It said Goebbels had this idea of a big lie. You could get people to believe anything as long as it was simple, all encompassing and what people wanted to hear (or was emotionally appealing). You then condense it into a few slogans and repeat them ad nauseum until people were pummeled into believing it. "Get Brexit done" did leap to mind. |
It's been the same pattern for a while hasn't it.
As you say.
Take Back Control.
Strong And Stable
Red, White and Blue Brexit
Etc
Brainwashing really. |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 21:48 - Nov 24 with 3492 views | Ryorry |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:57 - Nov 24 by m14_blue |
Pretty much where I'm at.
Still not in the least convinced by Corbyn and incredibly frustrated that he has offered such feeble opposition to a catastrophic Government.
But I just can't see how any normal person (ultra rich excluded) could even consider voting Tory. It's just bonkers. |
Apparently he (edit - I meant Boris Johnson in reply to your last para) has the thing known as 'charisma' - similar in cuddly appearance to a labrador, but without anything like the good heart that breed is known for. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 21:56]
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| Conservative manifesto on 21:51 - Nov 24 with 3485 views | Ryorry |
| Conservative manifesto on 21:03 - Nov 24 by BlueBadger |
Yes, and they haven't had to try as hand this time round. Poor old Ed's main failngs were being a bit of a wet lettuce who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich competently. |
Whereas JC's a wet lettuce without the bacon ...   | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 21:57 - Nov 24 with 3473 views | jeera |
| Conservative manifesto on 21:51 - Nov 24 by Ryorry |
Whereas JC's a wet lettuce without the bacon ... |
I'm actually surprised how usually intelligent people such as you and Badger have bought into this negative hype. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 21:59 - Nov 24 with 3465 views | Ryorry |
| Conservative manifesto on 21:57 - Nov 24 by jeera |
I'm actually surprised how usually intelligent people such as you and Badger have bought into this negative hype. |
I do not follow hype.
I'm going purely on the evidence of my own eyes.
Trust I'm allowed to make up my own mind on what I see and hear.
Cheers. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 22:07 - Nov 24 with 3450 views | footers |
| Conservative manifesto on 21:59 - Nov 24 by Ryorry |
I do not follow hype.
I'm going purely on the evidence of my own eyes.
Trust I'm allowed to make up my own mind on what I see and hear.
Cheers. |
Tbf that hype did feature something that isn't/wasn't Labour policy re: landlords, but you saw fit to give it both barrels on here without it being confirmed as policy. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 22:18 - Nov 24 with 3429 views | Ryorry |
| Conservative manifesto on 22:07 - Nov 24 by footers |
Tbf that hype did feature something that isn't/wasn't Labour policy re: landlords, but you saw fit to give it both barrels on here without it being confirmed as policy. |
Incorrect - I read the proposal, expressed concern, a couple of people said wait & see if it's in the manifesto. I agreed, waited, saw it wasn't in, pointed that out - and said that I actually liked everything in the housing section of Labour's manifesto except the open-ended tenancies bit.
Edit - and btw, far from it being "hype", that particular proposal hadn't even been mentioned anywhere till I brought it up, after I'd seen & heard JMcD say it himself. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 22:30]
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| Conservative manifesto on 22:57 - Nov 24 with 3376 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:01 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
Yeah, I saw that and it worries me. They are setting up a committee to look at rights and constitutional issues, you can guarantee that won't end well. |
If you don't do anything wrong you will be fine! |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 23:01 - Nov 24 with 3371 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:11 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
What specifically have they not done? They were instrumental in preventing a no deal Brexit. They constantly challenge the Tories about their track record. The narrative given by the press doesn't reflect that of course.
Take a look at this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-british-uk-media
When the press is giving net positive coverage to the Tories whilst demonstrating a huge net negative bias against Labour what do you think they can do to counter that? Where do you even begin with the Tories being the only party receiving positive press coverage after the debacle of the last 9 years? Labour are offering a genuine alternative to the Tories, one that seeks to promote a much fairer society, but many people won't even listen at this point. What more can they do, would you say?
For what it's worth I have said and still think that Corbyn's lack of clarity on Brexit has been an issue, though look how much that is played up in comparison to the flip flopping that Johnson and most of his cabinet have done on Brexit. The antisemitism issue has also created a stain but again look at the extent of the coverage in comparison to how racism in the Tory party is reported. That doesn't excuse Labour but more equitable coverage of both parties would lead to quite different public perceptions than exist currently, in my opinion. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 20:14]
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| Conservative manifesto on 23:06 - Nov 24 with 3368 views | Trequartista |
They would win if the manifesto contained three words. There are enough people who want to "get brexit done". |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 23:15 - Nov 24 with 3347 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Conservative manifesto on 23:06 - Nov 24 by Trequartista |
They would win if the manifesto contained three words. There are enough people who want to "get brexit done". |
Enjoy your wanting...when do you anticipate it being done by? | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 23:28 - Nov 24 with 3342 views | Ryorry |
| Conservative manifesto on 21:57 - Nov 24 by jeera |
I'm actually surprised how usually intelligent people such as you and Badger have bought into this negative hype. |
Badger can speak for himself, but if we'd been talking about Johnson instead of Corbyn, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be sniping & arguing with me for making up my own mind without the need for any "hype" whatsoever. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 23:31]
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| Conservative manifesto on 23:29 - Nov 24 with 3343 views | BlueBadger |
| Conservative manifesto on 23:06 - Nov 24 by Trequartista |
They would win if the manifesto contained three words. There are enough people who want to "get brexit done". |
Amusingly enough, Brexit would be 'done' were it not for Boris and his mates viting down Theresa May's deal which is in no way, shape or form similar to Boris' deal. No, no, the different colour ink and paper quality means it's totes different, honest. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 23:39 - Nov 24 with 3323 views | BlueBadger |
| Conservative manifesto on 21:57 - Nov 24 by jeera |
I'm actually surprised how usually intelligent people such as you and Badger have bought into this negative hype. |
Any optimism I might have had about the Dear Leader and his mates evaporated after the 2016 referendum vanishing act and John McDonnell deciding that dicking about with a copy of chairman Mao's Red Book(regardless of intention in the gesture) was more important than challenging George Osborne over removal of nursing student bursaries. | |
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| Conservative manifesto on 00:01 - Nov 25 with 3293 views | factual_blue |
| Conservative manifesto on 20:01 - Nov 24 by footers |
Now, now. I'm expecting jimmyvet to return any time now with a detailed analysis on why this transformative manifesto is the one he'll be voting for. (Without reference to Corbyn) |
How adept at holding your breath are you? |  |
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| Conservative manifesto on 06:49 - Nov 25 with 3175 views | GaryCooper |
| Conservative manifesto on 19:38 - Nov 24 by BackToRussia |
Was watching a doc on WWII the other day. It said Goebbels had this idea of a big lie. You could get people to believe anything as long as it was simple, all encompassing and what people wanted to hear (or was emotionally appealing). You then condense it into a few slogans and repeat them ad nauseum until people were pummeled into believing it. "Get Brexit done" did leap to mind. |
Strong and stable? |  | | |
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