| Labour Manifesto on 15:17 - Nov 21 with 1453 views | flimflam |
| Labour Manifesto on 12:43 - Nov 21 by Pinewoodblue |
Productivity is going to increase by 20% Jeremy says so. Not sure how the NHS can secure such an increase in performance. Going to be difficult to find all the extra staff they will need. |
How will that work in factories when they work on production lines? Do they just speed up the lines and flog everyone to death?
And like someone else how would you extract that 20% out of the NHS when they are already over worked. |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:23 - Nov 21 with 1425 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour Manifesto on 14:22 - Nov 21 by BrixtonBlue |
You think Labour haven't thought about these things? |
Well they haven't covered any of them in anything I've heard so I don't know. In fact I've only ever heard the tagline soundbite.
Why don't you give us their analysis and let us know what they are planning to do?
You really are very defensive nowadays - I even said I had no objection in principle but had some reservations. Even a question on a policy now receives a rebuke - saying "you don't think they have thought about it" simply isn't good enough when discussing policies.
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:24 - Nov 21 with 1418 views | tabletopjoe |
| Labour Manifesto on 14:03 - Nov 21 by Pinewoodblue |
When Corbyn rounded off he gave a list of groups of people who would benefit he included Tennant's so assume it does. |
I like the way he finished his speech by quoting a Communist, just in case anyone was doubting his future attitude to capital controls |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:24 - Nov 21 with 1419 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Labour Manifesto on 14:49 - Nov 21 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I didn't advocate increasing the length of day.
I questioned whether kids find the current length of day to be an issue.
I doubt it. |
Try reading the post!
I said lengthening the school day would increase stress. You wrote something that questioned that.
I repeat, do you accept there is a problem with children's mental health in this country at present? I don't get where you are wriggling on this one.
I never said you chose to bring up lengthening the school day. However, you chose to question my post that did bring it up. What exactly were you questioning? Something that I never said? |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:46 - Nov 21 with 1362 views | StokieBlue |
That was written yesterday before the manifesto was even released.
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:48 - Nov 21 with 1352 views | lowhouseblue |
"Paul Johnson, IFS director, says it would be the biggest set of spending increases, tax increases and borrowing increases that the UK has seen "in peacetime history". " |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:49 - Nov 21 with 1357 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
"Ripped it apart"?
The IFS has pointed out the number of higher rate tax payers likely to lose out is 2.36% of the population (and yet many millions who are unaffected and have no idea of the scale of that wealth will throw their hands up in horror).
They have further pointed out the unreliability of revenue predictions because those highest earners are likely to take a pay cut in order to avoid paying the extra tax. I think that latter argument assumes they will have easy tax loopholes elsewhere instead. | |
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:52 - Nov 21 with 1342 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour Manifesto on 15:46 - Nov 21 by StokieBlue |
That was written yesterday before the manifesto was even released.
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This is from today.
Labour fans on here often fall back on the IFS on here to support their side of the argument. [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:53]
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:53 - Nov 21 with 1333 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour Manifesto on 14:19 - Nov 21 by Pinewoodblue |
Don't think there is any tax on aviation fuel. |
Exactly....surely there should be.....? |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:54 - Nov 21 with 1333 views | J2BLUE |
| Labour Manifesto on 15:52 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
This is from today.
Labour fans on here often fall back on the IFS on here to support their side of the argument. [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:53]
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The latest get out of jail card is 'well they wouldn't be able to do everything anyway' |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:55 - Nov 21 with 1329 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour Manifesto on 14:16 - Nov 21 by BrixtonBlue |
We have full employment?! When did this happen? |
Full employment is a term to mean there is enough overall demand in the economy for everyone who wants a job to have one. | |
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| Labour Manifesto on 15:56 - Nov 21 with 1327 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Labour Manifesto on 15:52 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
This is from today.
Labour fans on here often fall back on the IFS on here to support their side of the argument. [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:53]
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Which then flips the argument.
Those who dismissed the IFS when they agreed with the costings last time around are using it as a stick to beat them with. Which way round would they like it? | |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:00 - Nov 21 with 1310 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour Manifesto on 15:54 - Nov 21 by J2BLUE |
The latest get out of jail card is 'well they wouldn't be able to do everything anyway' |
We're not actually getting all of this free stuff? Well Corbyn has definitely lost my vote now. | |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:05 - Nov 21 with 1304 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Labour Manifesto on 15:24 - Nov 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Try reading the post!
I said lengthening the school day would increase stress. You wrote something that questioned that.
I repeat, do you accept there is a problem with children's mental health in this country at present? I don't get where you are wriggling on this one.
I never said you chose to bring up lengthening the school day. However, you chose to question my post that did bring it up. What exactly were you questioning? Something that I never said? |
And I quote.....
...."children are already stressed enough with the length of days currently as it is"....
That is exactly what I questioned.
Apology accepted. |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:08 - Nov 21 with 1293 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour Manifesto on 15:56 - Nov 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Which then flips the argument.
Those who dismissed the IFS when they agreed with the costings last time around are using it as a stick to beat them with. Which way round would they like it? |
"Tory spending pledges will need tax rises, IFS warns". https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-tory-tax-spendin
Yet the Tories are promising cuts, so that means increased borrowing to essentially fund tax cuts for the better off.
I'd call this a score draw. It comes down to whether you believe one party genuinely wants to improve people's lives, or whether you think one of them doesn't actually give a sh*t as shown by blaming poor people for their own plight, blaming people killed in tower blocks for their own stupidity, and who looks to avoid any scrutiny and censor the press. A fairly easy choice I'd argue.
Or, as Guthers reminds us, you think one of the smaller parties deserves a chance (bearing in mind the likelihood of enough people thinking the same way to deliver a majority to one of the smaller parties is ridiculously small). |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:09 - Nov 21 with 1287 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour Manifesto on 16:00 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
We're not actually getting all of this free stuff? Well Corbyn has definitely lost my vote now. |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:11 - Nov 21 with 1278 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour Manifesto on 16:09 - Nov 21 by lowhouseblue |
but i want my free broadband |
I even downloaded their new social media app "TrotsApp" | |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:12 - Nov 21 with 1273 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour Manifesto on 15:56 - Nov 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Which then flips the argument.
Those who dismissed the IFS when they agreed with the costings last time around are using it as a stick to beat them with. Which way round would they like it? |
Are you sure about this, I can't remember the specifics of the IFS conclusions in 2017.
Even so, shouldn't thinks be taken on merit of each instance rather than saying people can't have it both ways?
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:13 - Nov 21 with 1265 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour Manifesto on 15:52 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
This is from today.
Labour fans on here often fall back on the IFS on here to support their side of the argument. [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:53]
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That's fine although I think they need more time to assess it all.
I was just pointing out that the article posted wasn't based on the actual manifesto.
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:14 - Nov 21 with 1252 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour Manifesto on 16:11 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
I even downloaded their new social media app "TrotsApp" |
i had signed up to an online re-education course. | |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:24 - Nov 21 with 1227 views | sparks |
| Labour Manifesto on 16:14 - Nov 21 by lowhouseblue |
i had signed up to an online re-education course. |
Plenty of reasonable stuff in there. Some measured tax increases in the right quarters, vat on private schools seems fair (though its more ideological than a major tax raiser...). They appear to have rowed back from some of their more silly plans.
But others remain. Free broadband and nationalisation of BT? There is no more logic for fee broadband, than for free electricity, gas, mobile phones- or housing come to that...
The cost of these pledges is clearly staggering. |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:25 - Nov 21 with 1220 views | ZedRodgers |
| Labour Manifesto on 16:11 - Nov 21 by GlasgowBlue |
I even downloaded their new social media app "TrotsApp" |
This is great banter |  |
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| Labour Manifesto on 16:29 - Nov 21 with 1209 views | sparks |
| Labour Manifesto on 14:19 - Nov 21 by Ryorry |
Just had a quick search - is on p77 if anyone else is looking!
Thankfully, not in there - this is what is -
"Private Renters
More than 11 million people rent from a
private landlord and many of them are
at the sharp end of the housing crisis.
We will take urgent action to protect
private renters through rent controls,
open-ended tenancies, and new,
binding minimum standards.
Labour will stop runaway rents by
capping them with inflation, and give
cities powers to cap rents further.
We will give renters the security they
need to make their rented housing a
home, with new open-ended tenancies
to stop unfair, ‘no fault’ evictions. We
will make sure every property is up to
scratch with new minimum standards,
enforced through nationwide licensing
and tougher sanctions for landlords who
flout the rules. We will fund new renters’
unions in every part of the country — to
allow renters to organise and defend
their rights.
80 IT’S TIME FOR REAL CHANGE
We will get rid of the discriminatory
rules that require landlords to check
people’s immigration status or that
allow them to exclude people on
housing benefit. We will give councils
new powers to regulate short-term lets
through companies such as Airbnb.
Homelessness
No one should sleep without a roof
over their head in one of the richest
countries in the world. But under the
Tories, the number of people sleeping
rough has more than doubled.
Over 125,000 children are now living in
temporary accommodation, without a
home to call their own — or the space
they need to thrive. Labour will tackle
the root causes of rising homelessness
with more affordable homes and
stronger rights for renters.
Labour will end rough sleeping within
five years, with a national plan driven by
a prime minister-led taskforce. We will
expand and upgrade hostels, turning
them into places where people can
turn their lives around. We will make
available 8,000 additional homes for
people with a history of rough sleeping.
We will tackle the wider causes of
homelessness, raising the Local
Housing Allowance in line with the 30th
percentile of local rents, and earmarking
an additional £1 billion a year for
councils’ homelessness services.
We will bring in a new national levy on
second homes used as holiday homes
to help deal with the homelessness
crisis, so that those who have done well
from the housing market pay a bit more
to help those with no home."
No problem with any of that, indeed I really like most of it - except the bit about "open-ended tenancies" - many private landlords have legitimate reasons for wanting/needing a fixed term, including requiring the accom for their own use at a future date. Legislation is already in place for "no-fault evictions" and is already proving a massive headache for landlords faced with the problem of some tenants behaving extremely badly.
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Indeed. A person ought to be entitled to deal how they choose with their own property.
The classic is a Landlord who has hit hard times, has a divorce, unexpected expenses etc and needs to sell or move back into the old flat thats being rented.
These proposals will end up with people getting repossessed when they cant end a tenancy and sell. | |
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