| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history 16:52 - Jul 29 with 25588 views | BrixtonBlue |
People who say there is no smear campaign against Corbyn have either been taken in by it - or are part of it. Whether or not you like Corbyn/agree or disagree with his policies, surely this is not good for British politics/democracy?
With all the many many Corbyn posts on here, how many are actually about his policies?
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-poli |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:00 - Jul 29 with 3803 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 19:58 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue |
err, it wasn't 'the independent's findings'. it was an opinion piece written by someone who isn't a journalist. it was written by an lse academic who seems extremely pro-corbyn. it wasn't an independent editorial, it wasn't by an independent journalist. it's quite important to understand your source you know. |
That's what I thought when the link said "independent voices". It's a broken link anyway but thanks for saving me the bother. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:00 - Jul 29 with 3811 views | footers |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 19:55 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue |
absolutely. and thank you. |
Hope you're enjoying all the benefits of boomerism, buh :) No wonder you see the world like that. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:05 - Jul 29 with 3801 views | lowhouseblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:00 - Jul 29 by footers |
Hope you're enjoying all the benefits of boomerism, buh :) No wonder you see the world like that. |
not sure what that's supposed to mean. i'm the radical here - the one that wants to see the tories defeated and replaced with a progressive alternative committed to redistribution. you and your gang are the ones who seem excited by impotent posturing and electoral irrelevance. it's your lot who are propping up the status quo. just saying. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:06 - Jul 29 with 3795 views | footers |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:05 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue |
not sure what that's supposed to mean. i'm the radical here - the one that wants to see the tories defeated and replaced with a progressive alternative committed to redistribution. you and your gang are the ones who seem excited by impotent posturing and electoral irrelevance. it's your lot who are propping up the status quo. just saying. |
And you and your lot want to replace the status quo with the status quo. Just sayin'. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:13 - Jul 29 with 3777 views | lowhouseblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:06 - Jul 29 by footers |
And you and your lot want to replace the status quo with the status quo. Just sayin'. |
is that what i said? your lot seem to have the opposition reins just at the moment - can't say i'm seeing many signs of the status quo shaking. the tories are in disarray and there's a complete absence of opposition - which seems to matter less than having a leader who is anti-american. and who's the one who's acting out of self-interest again? | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:20 - Jul 29 with 3759 views | giant_stow |
I was involved in a study which used a similar methodology and even software terms (Hi Nvivo) so recognise this style of research. I humbly suggest that much depends on how the researchers coded:
"1) a critical tone, which corresponds more to a legitimate watchdog role, and 2) an
antagonistic tone, which could be seen as an indicator for attackdog journalism."
in each case. Having done some coding on my project, the temptation to code in favour of what you want to find is massive. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:23 - Jul 29 with 3751 views | gordon |
I know the TWTD style these days is to boldly stake out an unfounded/extreme/hubristic/plain daft position early on, and then dig in tirelessly for fourteen pages, and there's certainly lots to be said for that approach. But, it might just be true that large parts of the media are very anti-Corbyn, and that while some of the criticism he kops is fair enough, most of it isn't. And that equally, he isn't a particularly competent or effective leader of a political party, although he likely means well, and has campaigned effectively for lots of important issues during his career.
People always have and always will see what they want to see in people like Corbyn - a principled campaigner being hard done by by vested interests; an anti-semitic monster intent on bankrupting us all; or just a poor chap promoted a couple of levels above his level of incompetence.
Arguing over which it is is a game for fools unless you first understand why it is that you yourself see what you see. |  | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:34 - Jul 29 with 3728 views | footers |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:13 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue |
is that what i said? your lot seem to have the opposition reins just at the moment - can't say i'm seeing many signs of the status quo shaking. the tories are in disarray and there's a complete absence of opposition - which seems to matter less than having a leader who is anti-american. and who's the one who's acting out of self-interest again? |
Labour's policies generally poll very well. It's just the JC show tho innit? Couldn't care less about who does it, but the policies are sound and much needed. With or without the allotment dweller. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:36 - Jul 29 with 3720 views | Bluefish |
To be fair Corbz has achieved something though. He has taken you from having no interest in politics to being a full on fanboy. You still don't follow politics as such but the fact that you will go out of your way to support him at all times regardless of the content is something. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:41 - Jul 29 with 3717 views | lowhouseblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:34 - Jul 29 by footers |
Labour's policies generally poll very well. It's just the JC show tho innit? Couldn't care less about who does it, but the policies are sound and much needed. With or without the allotment dweller. |
lots of the policies could be successful. but it's the other crap that comes with the corbyn gang that's the problem. his view of world affairs, his view on domestic security, his view on the uk's alliances, his view on terrorist groups, his view on conspiracy nonsense is all pure electoral poison. if you want the good policies you need to dump the crap that comes with corbyn and his acolytes. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:48 - Jul 29 with 3708 views | factual_blue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 18:06 - Jul 29 by jaykay |
poor old footers will run him second. that man took some stick from the right wing press .
Worzel Gummidge was one lesser insults heaped on him. they tore him apart because he wore a donkey jacket on Remembrance Day. |
Michael was a great man. A massive patriot, the last true orator in the House of Commons and possessed of an intellect the size of a planet. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 21:30 - Jul 29 with 3650 views | footers |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 20:48 - Jul 29 by factual_blue |
Michael was a great man. A massive patriot, the last true orator in the House of Commons and possessed of an intellect the size of a planet. |
You can't be a socialist and a patriot, silly bollox. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 21:36 - Jul 29 with 3638 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 19:41 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue |
it's not a smear if it's true. which is rather corbyn's problem. |
Apart from the bits that aren't true. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 21:43 - Jul 29 with 3624 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 19:58 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue |
err, it wasn't 'the independent's findings'. it was an opinion piece written by someone who isn't a journalist. it was written by an lse academic who seems extremely pro-corbyn. it wasn't an independent editorial, it wasn't by an independent journalist. it's quite important to understand your source you know. |
What difference does it matter that it wasn't written by a journalist?! It's written by Dr. Bart Cammaerts, a Professor of Politics and Communication - probably better qualified on the subject than a journalist. And it's not his 'opinion', it's a study he conducted.
Try dealing with the findings of the study rather than a silly ad hominem attack. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 21:58 - Jul 29 with 3608 views | BlueBadger |
Frankly, given his competence and history they've been pretty easy on him compared to Ed Milliband. Probably because Milliband stood a genuine chance of getting into power. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:12 - Jul 29 with 3580 views | factual_blue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 21:30 - Jul 29 by footers |
You can't be a socialist and a patriot, silly bollox. |
Only brexiteer dimwits think like that. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:19 - Jul 29 with 3569 views | lowhouseblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 21:43 - Jul 29 by BrixtonBlue |
What difference does it matter that it wasn't written by a journalist?! It's written by Dr. Bart Cammaerts, a Professor of Politics and Communication - probably better qualified on the subject than a journalist. And it's not his 'opinion', it's a study he conducted.
Try dealing with the findings of the study rather than a silly ad hominem attack. |
i was pointing out that it's an opinion piece and as giant ullaa has said the study's methodology is inherently subjective. our own little exchange has shown that to determine what is an unfair smear you first have to decide what is and what isn't true. the study has adopted definitions of truth and smear which give the 75% result. it's not rocket science. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:25 - Jul 29 with 3551 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 21:43 - Jul 29 by BrixtonBlue |
What difference does it matter that it wasn't written by a journalist?! It's written by Dr. Bart Cammaerts, a Professor of Politics and Communication - probably better qualified on the subject than a journalist. And it's not his 'opinion', it's a study he conducted.
Try dealing with the findings of the study rather than a silly ad hominem attack. |
Lowhouse is right. British journalists working for the Independent, are by definition independent.
This is modern Britain, not Airstrip One in 1984.
***Be careful with this one.*** |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:30 - Jul 29 with 3535 views | lowhouseblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:25 - Jul 29 by caught-in-limbo |
Lowhouse is right. British journalists working for the Independent, are by definition independent.
This is modern Britain, not Airstrip One in 1984.
***Be careful with this one.*** |
i was just trying to be helpful and explain the difference between 'the independent's findings' and an opinion piece. i guess you saw that news outlets that muddle up the two get fined £200,000 by ofcom. [Post edited 29 Jul 2019 22:31]
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:31 - Jul 29 with 3529 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:19 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue |
i was pointing out that it's an opinion piece and as giant ullaa has said the study's methodology is inherently subjective. our own little exchange has shown that to determine what is an unfair smear you first have to decide what is and what isn't true. the study has adopted definitions of truth and smear which give the 75% result. it's not rocket science. |
So, again, you're going to attack the author, and then dismiss it because it doesn't fit with your agenda. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:32 - Jul 29 with 3524 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:25 - Jul 29 by caught-in-limbo |
Lowhouse is right. British journalists working for the Independent, are by definition independent.
This is modern Britain, not Airstrip One in 1984.
***Be careful with this one.*** |
We've established it's by a Professor of politics, not a journalist. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:33 - Jul 29 with 3520 views | lowhouseblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:31 - Jul 29 by BrixtonBlue |
So, again, you're going to attack the author, and then dismiss it because it doesn't fit with your agenda. |
i thought my post was quite clear - no point repeating it if you missed it the first time. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:37 - Jul 29 with 3509 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:30 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue |
i was just trying to be helpful and explain the difference between 'the independent's findings' and an opinion piece. i guess you saw that news outlets that muddle up the two get fined £200,000 by ofcom. [Post edited 29 Jul 2019 22:31]
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It's very easy to dismiss it by just calling it "an opinion piece", but its' a research project conducted by a professor of politics.
Try actually dealing with its findings. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:42 - Jul 29 with 3498 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history on 22:32 - Jul 29 by BrixtonBlue |
We've established it's by a Professor of politics, not a journalist. |
Listen, professors of politics, like any other experts in their field, are only truly impartial if their studies coincide with establishment interests. You're peddling the work of a conspiracy theorist or foreign agent. [Post edited 29 Jul 2019 22:45]
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