| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 18:51 - May 30 with 1104 views | GlasgowBlue |
It’s as if Labour are being led by a man who voted to leave in 1975, voted against both the Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties, was Tony Benn’s Bag carrier at all manner of anti EU meetings and has spent his entire political life as a Brexiteer.
And people are still surprised that he won’t come out for a second referendum and campaign to remain. |  |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 18:53 - May 30 with 1098 views | Churchman |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 16:08 - May 30 by Oldsmoker |
Well stick Freedom of movement in it then.
Labour have a chance to take the initiative because if they leave it up to the shower of sh*t that is the Tory party then we may as well all sit on the pointy bit of the fence. |
Why bother when you can just call it a day and repeal Article 50? It’s what I’d do. All this ‘the people have spoken’ nonsense is just that. A binary choice on a very complex issue 3 years ago. We now know any option is worse than what there is and Customs Union etc is the worst of all worlds in my opinion. |  | | |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:03 - May 30 with 1057 views | Kievthegreat |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 15:33 - May 30 by homer_123 |
Even more worrying is that there is no real alternative. The Lib Dems should be cleaning up - nowhere to be seen...to the point that Nige is sweeping up votes and voters.
Jeez. |
Well if this turns out to be true they might have started "cleaning up".
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:05 - May 30 with 1053 views | jas0999 |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 15:19 - May 30 by StokieBlue |
It's all very worrying. The Tories are rubbish and in open rebellion.
Labour are in hidden rebellion and JC seems to be deluded:
"a second referendum after negotiating a softer Brexit deal with Brussels."
The EU have said so many times now they aren't going to change the deal yet Labour continually say they would be able to get a better deal based on nothing much.
Sigh.
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This.
Tories in disarray, yet voters desert a Corbyn led Labour. |  | | |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:26 - May 30 with 1028 views | giant_stow |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:03 - May 30 by Kievthegreat |
Well if this turns out to be true they might have started "cleaning up".
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Wow. I wonder if the liberals have broken or might be breaking the small party syndrome that keeps so many from voting for them? If the dam breaks maybe Labour really are fcked. |  |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:36 - May 30 with 1024 views | Darth_Koont |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:05 - May 30 by jas0999 |
This.
Tories in disarray, yet voters desert a Corbyn led Labour. |
Let's be honest though, voters were deserting a Milliband Labour too. Added to which the furore around Corbyn (from within the Labour Party most of all) has been totally disproportionate to the reality of Corbyn.
Maybe he is flawed as a leader and just too toxic for some but Labour isn't going to do any better with a return to the empty suits who like playing politics.
Westminster politics needs a clean up and a return to principles. And a legitimate left-wing balance not this prannying around to please middle-class marginal voters that has left swathes of the country worse off socially, economically and politically. While we slide ever further to the populist right. |  |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:54 - May 30 with 1004 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:36 - May 30 by Darth_Koont |
Let's be honest though, voters were deserting a Milliband Labour too. Added to which the furore around Corbyn (from within the Labour Party most of all) has been totally disproportionate to the reality of Corbyn.
Maybe he is flawed as a leader and just too toxic for some but Labour isn't going to do any better with a return to the empty suits who like playing politics.
Westminster politics needs a clean up and a return to principles. And a legitimate left-wing balance not this prannying around to please middle-class marginal voters that has left swathes of the country worse off socially, economically and politically. While we slide ever further to the populist right. |
More straw clutching. | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:00 - May 30 with 991 views | lowhouseblue |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:54 - May 30 by GlasgowBlue |
More straw clutching. |
don't you just love the idea that corbyn isn't prannying around pleasing the middle class. a working class man of the people our jeremy. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:03 - May 30 with 986 views | Dubtractor |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:36 - May 30 by Darth_Koont |
Let's be honest though, voters were deserting a Milliband Labour too. Added to which the furore around Corbyn (from within the Labour Party most of all) has been totally disproportionate to the reality of Corbyn.
Maybe he is flawed as a leader and just too toxic for some but Labour isn't going to do any better with a return to the empty suits who like playing politics.
Westminster politics needs a clean up and a return to principles. And a legitimate left-wing balance not this prannying around to please middle-class marginal voters that has left swathes of the country worse off socially, economically and politically. While we slide ever further to the populist right. |
"not this prannying around to please middle-class marginal voters"
I'd suggest that a huge element of Corbyn's success has come from exactly that - I look at my social media feed and the large majority of his support seems to be the middle class, regardless of whether his policies are aimed at improving the lives of the working class. |  |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:16 - May 30 with 964 views | Darth_Koont |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:03 - May 30 by Dubtractor |
"not this prannying around to please middle-class marginal voters"
I'd suggest that a huge element of Corbyn's success has come from exactly that - I look at my social media feed and the large majority of his support seems to be the middle class, regardless of whether his policies are aimed at improving the lives of the working class. |
That's fair - it's mostly the marginals aspect which Blair's Labour was so good at exploiting. But unfortunately by getting a bit too enamoured with the free market as the solution and not trying to redress our tax revenue shortfall.
If we're going to right the UK ship then we simply need to put more into health, education, services and local government. That's going to take money from the middle class not just from taxing our super-rich lizard overlords. | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:18 - May 30 with 958 views | Darth_Koont |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:54 - May 30 by GlasgowBlue |
More straw clutching. |
Haha. Says the man who's had to abandon where his party and politics are heading.
You and lowers know I'm right. That's why you get so triggered by it. | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:21 - May 30 with 954 views | Dubtractor |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:16 - May 30 by Darth_Koont |
That's fair - it's mostly the marginals aspect which Blair's Labour was so good at exploiting. But unfortunately by getting a bit too enamoured with the free market as the solution and not trying to redress our tax revenue shortfall.
If we're going to right the UK ship then we simply need to put more into health, education, services and local government. That's going to take money from the middle class not just from taxing our super-rich lizard overlords. |
Agree with all of that, but Corbyn's problem is that he has relied on the support of the middle classes (people like me, and probably you, to be honest) to get him to where he is, but his dallying on brexit issues is losing him the support of that very same group of people! | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:27 - May 30 with 943 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:18 - May 30 by Darth_Koont |
Haha. Says the man who's had to abandon where his party and politics are heading.
You and lowers know I'm right. That's why you get so triggered by it. |
You’re right. I did abandon my party because I wasn’t comfortable with the direction it was heading.
Whereas you have defended and excused Corbyn’s labour as it has slid further down the sewer. | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:34 - May 30 with 935 views | Darth_Koont |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:21 - May 30 by Dubtractor |
Agree with all of that, but Corbyn's problem is that he has relied on the support of the middle classes (people like me, and probably you, to be honest) to get him to where he is, but his dallying on brexit issues is losing him the support of that very same group of people! |
Yep. And I've disagreed with his own view and much of Labour's view on the EU and Brexit.
Although it's only in the last few months that the Labour Party PLP has really embraced a people's vote and even the suggestion of remaining so I don't think it's purely been a leadership problem. If they'd all followed the LibDems, SNP and Greens from the start then I'm sure Labour would be in a healthier position. The only problem would be how much further to the Dark Side that would have driven the Brexit Party, ERG and even the moderate Conservatives in the meantime.
It's all a mess but hopefully a cathartic one. Perhaps Brexit shows that it's better for politicians to push for the right way forward rather than doing nothing to try and hold onto imaginary votes. | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:37 - May 30 with 928 views | Darth_Koont |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:27 - May 30 by GlasgowBlue |
You’re right. I did abandon my party because I wasn’t comfortable with the direction it was heading.
Whereas you have defended and excused Corbyn’s labour as it has slid further down the sewer. |
I can hear a high horse getting saddled up.
Remember to put those blinkers on too. | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:47 - May 30 with 894 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 15:33 - May 30 by homer_123 |
Even more worrying is that there is no real alternative. The Lib Dems should be cleaning up - nowhere to be seen...to the point that Nige is sweeping up votes and voters.
Jeez. |
Cough....
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 23:30 - May 30 with 852 views | Kievthegreat |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 22:47 - May 30 by ElderGrizzly |
Cough....
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And it's official...
Also ChangeUK on just 1%. When do the defections to the Lib Dems begin? | | | |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 23:42 - May 30 with 841 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 23:30 - May 30 by Kievthegreat |
And it's official...
Also ChangeUK on just 1%. When do the defections to the Lib Dems begin? |
Lib Dem/Greens coalition in Govt :)
Sadly it can’t play out due to FPTP system
Labour can recover Lib Dem votes by getting off the fence and moving towards Remain; Tories can't do anything unless they deliver Brexit [Post edited 30 May 2019 23:44]
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 23:50 - May 30 with 833 views | Kievthegreat |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 23:42 - May 30 by ElderGrizzly |
Lib Dem/Greens coalition in Govt :)
Sadly it can’t play out due to FPTP system
Labour can recover Lib Dem votes by getting off the fence and moving towards Remain; Tories can't do anything unless they deliver Brexit [Post edited 30 May 2019 23:44]
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Agree about Labour being able to get back remainers, but they actually have to make a move. Corbyn however just doesn't seem willing to rather perplexingly. | | | |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 00:47 - May 31 with 810 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 23:50 - May 30 by Kievthegreat |
Agree about Labour being able to get back remainers, but they actually have to make a move. Corbyn however just doesn't seem willing to rather perplexingly. |
I think he has actually given up. I can’t think of any other explanation | | | |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 07:43 - May 31 with 777 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 00:47 - May 31 by ElderGrizzly |
I think he has actually given up. I can’t think of any other explanation |
The explanation is he wants the U.K. to leave the EU. It really is as simple as that.
Remain Labour mps need another confidence vote. Corbyn's opponent in a leadership election should campaign based on Labour becoming a party of remain and highlight Corbyn’s record regarding the EU. That may be enough to win over the members. | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 08:12 - May 31 with 756 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 21:03 - May 30 by Kievthegreat |
Well if this turns out to be true they might have started "cleaning up".
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First time since polls began (1943) that one of the two main parties hasn’t been in the top 2. | |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 08:19 - May 31 with 752 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 08:12 - May 31 by GlasgowBlue |
First time since polls began (1943) that one of the two main parties hasn’t been in the top 2. |
One of the main parties IS in the top two  . Ha!
Is that so? Interesting little stat that; what a mess they are both in. |  |
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 08:19 - May 31 with 752 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 23:50 - May 30 by Kievthegreat |
Agree about Labour being able to get back remainers, but they actually have to make a move. Corbyn however just doesn't seem willing to rather perplexingly. |
Before any LD’s get too excited, the Brexit Party wasn’t offered as one of the main options.
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| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 08:42 - May 31 with 736 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Day 4528 of Jeremy's fence sitting continues on 07:43 - May 31 by GlasgowBlue |
The explanation is he wants the U.K. to leave the EU. It really is as simple as that.
Remain Labour mps need another confidence vote. Corbyn's opponent in a leadership election should campaign based on Labour becoming a party of remain and highlight Corbyn’s record regarding the EU. That may be enough to win over the members. |
Is it just me or does anyone else vote on issues other than Brexit? |  |
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