| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote 00:05 - Mar 30 with 6449 views | stig4532 |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 00:11 - Mar 30 with 4521 views | XYZ |
Well, he's gained some respect in the wider constituency.
313 people - is that all that basically choose tory MPs?
310 seat x 313 people = <10,000 people choosing those who've been "running" our country. |  | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 00:25 - Mar 30 with 4485 views | factual_blue |
The 131 would be the under 75s, or the 'youth wing'. |  |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 05:39 - Mar 30 with 4409 views | Rocky |
From the Guardian:
The local campaign against Grieve was led by the man who stood as the Ukip candidate for Beaconsfield in 2017. The Times reported that Jon Conway, a pantomime producer, had been recruited by the Conservatives after serving as a regional organiser for Vote Leave.
“I took the decision to ‘fight City Hall from within’ and resigned as Ukip chairman to join the Tory party a year ago,” Conway reportedly told local members. |  | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 05:52 - Mar 30 with 4395 views | m14_blue |
If we have an election then many moderate MP’s on both sides will be deselected.
Worrying times. | | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 08:23 - Mar 30 with 4301 views | EdwardStone |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 05:39 - Mar 30 by Rocky |
From the Guardian:
The local campaign against Grieve was led by the man who stood as the Ukip candidate for Beaconsfield in 2017. The Times reported that Jon Conway, a pantomime producer, had been recruited by the Conservatives after serving as a regional organiser for Vote Leave.
“I took the decision to ‘fight City Hall from within’ and resigned as Ukip chairman to join the Tory party a year ago,” Conway reportedly told local members. |
The sweet irony of Mr Conway being a "Pantomime Producer"
Well, he is taking a minor role in the UK's largest ever pantomime now
W@nker |  | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 08:25 - Mar 30 with 4293 views | stig4532 |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 05:52 - Mar 30 by m14_blue |
If we have an election then many moderate MP’s on both sides will be deselected.
Worrying times. |
It's up to the local party to decide this and I believe the leader of the Conservatives can veto. Indeed, many moderates will be deselected but this was a people's vote. | | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 08:33 - Mar 30 with 4276 views | bluejacko |
But then you have MP’s in the TIG that are now not accountable to their electorate and are basically standing on their own agenda! Lots of chickens will be coming home to roost in the next GE! | | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 10:51 - Mar 30 with 4187 views | Guthrum |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 08:33 - Mar 30 by bluejacko |
But then you have MP’s in the TIG that are now not accountable to their electorate and are basically standing on their own agenda! Lots of chickens will be coming home to roost in the next GE! |
Of course they're accountable to their electorate - that's all the people in the constituency, not just the supporters of one political party.
They were elected in 2017 - after the Referendum. Their views and positions should have been well known. Yet they were selected, stood and were voted in. So a majority of the constituency electorate must have approved of them. |  |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 10:56 - Mar 30 with 4171 views | Guthrum |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 05:52 - Mar 30 by m14_blue |
If we have an election then many moderate MP’s on both sides will be deselected.
Worrying times. |
In which case it's up to people not to vote for them (unless they specifically support their position). If there aren't any non-hardline candidates, organise someone else to stand as an independent.
If everyone did this, rather than voting blindly along party lines, then the political landscape would be very different. | |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 10:58 - Mar 30 with 4159 views | Freddies_Ears |
It is the start of the next stage of the alt-right takeover of the Tories. Just as Labour is going hard left.
Dangerous times, especially given the FPTP electoral system which normally delivers majority government out of minority support. | | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 11:05 - Mar 30 with 4148 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 10:58 - Mar 30 by Freddies_Ears |
It is the start of the next stage of the alt-right takeover of the Tories. Just as Labour is going hard left.
Dangerous times, especially given the FPTP electoral system which normally delivers majority government out of minority support. |
Hmmm not so sure. The ERG have always been around. In fact, they used to lead the party back in the early 2000s (IDS).
This is the old Conservative party twitching back to life. |  |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 11:08 - Mar 30 with 4136 views | pickles110564 |
He won't be the only one either, Brexit stabbed 17.4 million in the back payback time |  | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 11:14 - Mar 30 with 4121 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 11:08 - Mar 30 by pickles110564 |
He won't be the only one either, Brexit stabbed 17.4 million in the back payback time |
Don't be silly.
Your own Brexiteers couldn't deliver Brexit! Ask yourself why. | |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 11:55 - Mar 30 with 4049 views | factual_blue |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 05:39 - Mar 30 by Rocky |
From the Guardian:
The local campaign against Grieve was led by the man who stood as the Ukip candidate for Beaconsfield in 2017. The Times reported that Jon Conway, a pantomime producer, had been recruited by the Conservatives after serving as a regional organiser for Vote Leave.
“I took the decision to ‘fight City Hall from within’ and resigned as Ukip chairman to join the Tory party a year ago,” Conway reportedly told local members. |
Entryism. | |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 12:03 - Mar 30 with 4038 views | m14_blue |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 10:56 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
In which case it's up to people not to vote for them (unless they specifically support their position). If there aren't any non-hardline candidates, organise someone else to stand as an independent.
If everyone did this, rather than voting blindly along party lines, then the political landscape would be very different. |
Absolutely.
They won’t though, will they? It’ll be red v blue as always, and the country will be just as divided and poisonous as ever. | | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 12:42 - Mar 30 with 3994 views | bluejacko |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 10:51 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
Of course they're accountable to their electorate - that's all the people in the constituency, not just the supporters of one political party.
They were elected in 2017 - after the Referendum. Their views and positions should have been well known. Yet they were selected, stood and were voted in. So a majority of the constituency electorate must have approved of them. |
Of course they were elected by their constituents but it’s fairly obvious that if you switch mid term you are now not representing those who voted for you.
In the case of the TIG they are now following their own personal opinion not of those that elected them. | | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 13:01 - Mar 30 with 3978 views | Guthrum |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 12:42 - Mar 30 by bluejacko |
Of course they were elected by their constituents but it’s fairly obvious that if you switch mid term you are now not representing those who voted for you.
In the case of the TIG they are now following their own personal opinion not of those that elected them. |
Did those who selected them to stand in 2017 not know the candidates' personal opinions? Did those who voted for them not bother to find out? Were they elected only by the few hundred members of the local constituency party, or by thousands of ordinary people, who may have liked their independence of thought? | |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 13:28 - Mar 30 with 3952 views | WeWereZombies |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 10:58 - Mar 30 by Freddies_Ears |
It is the start of the next stage of the alt-right takeover of the Tories. Just as Labour is going hard left.
Dangerous times, especially given the FPTP electoral system which normally delivers majority government out of minority support. |
I read a Guardian article a few weeks back, wish I could remember who wrote it, that gave a decent reasoning of why, economically, Corbyn is to the right of Blair's New Labour back in late 1990s. A lot had to do with the changing nature of the workplace, gig economy and so on. But this creeping subjugation of ordinary people is not just the province of the Tories and UKIP, the LibDems might be the worst of all and Labour are not free of it.
Oddly I picked up a copy of the Financial Times at Edinburgh Airport on Tuesday (free even if you were coming off a Ryanair flight) and was surprised at how left leaning it seemed after picking up my news from the BBC website and the links on here. |  |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 13:33 - Mar 30 with 3942 views | ElderGrizzly |
Lost in a campaign led by an ex-UKIP opponent and for what I can see for speaking sense.
Big Tories don’t appear happy
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 14:27 - Mar 30 with 3904 views | pickles110564 |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 11:14 - Mar 30 by Darth_Koont |
Don't be silly.
Your own Brexiteers couldn't deliver Brexit! Ask yourself why. |
I thought you were more intelligent than you answer suggests?
The deal was supplied by the EU and a Remain Prime Minister with Ollie pulling the strings.
The Hoc is full of remain MP's, do the Math, the MP's that voted for the deal also want to tie us to the EU forever. | | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 14:29 - Mar 30 with 3896 views | pickles110564 |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 13:33 - Mar 30 by ElderGrizzly |
Lost in a campaign led by an ex-UKIP opponent and for what I can see for speaking sense.
Big Tories don’t appear happy
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Remain Tories are not happy, says it all!
GO was one of the worst scare mongerers before the vote and now uses his paper to carry on the lies and deceit about leaving the corrupt EU. | | | |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 14:31 - Mar 30 with 3889 views | J2BLUE |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 14:27 - Mar 30 by pickles110564 |
I thought you were more intelligent than you answer suggests?
The deal was supplied by the EU and a Remain Prime Minister with Ollie pulling the strings.
The Hoc is full of remain MP's, do the Math, the MP's that voted for the deal also want to tie us to the EU forever. |
Do you believe there are still 17.4m leave voters if another referendum was to be held?
Grieve hasn't betrayed anyone. He has simple tried to see what there is a majority for. Common sense 101.
Someone I would love to see lose the next election is Bill Cash. Comes across incredibly rude and disrespectful any time he is on any news channel. |  |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 14:47 - Mar 30 with 3864 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 14:27 - Mar 30 by pickles110564 |
I thought you were more intelligent than you answer suggests?
The deal was supplied by the EU and a Remain Prime Minister with Ollie pulling the strings.
The Hoc is full of remain MP's, do the Math, the MP's that voted for the deal also want to tie us to the EU forever. |
Well, the answer is that they couldn't deliver Brexit when the PM's deal was sitting there in front of them because it was always about getting what they wanted even if that meant disrespecting the referendum result.
Even the Daily Mail thinks they (and Corbyn) have betrayed the Leave voters according to their front page today. | |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 15:13 - Mar 30 with 3842 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 08:23 - Mar 30 by EdwardStone |
The sweet irony of Mr Conway being a "Pantomime Producer"
Well, he is taking a minor role in the UK's largest ever pantomime now
W@nker |
W@nker?
Oh, no he isn’t....  |  |
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| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 15:21 - Mar 30 with 3820 views | pickles110564 |
| Dominic Grieve loses local Tory confidence vote on 14:31 - Mar 30 by J2BLUE |
Do you believe there are still 17.4m leave voters if another referendum was to be held?
Grieve hasn't betrayed anyone. He has simple tried to see what there is a majority for. Common sense 101.
Someone I would love to see lose the next election is Bill Cash. Comes across incredibly rude and disrespectful any time he is on any news channel. |
There are more leavers now.
At least Bill Cash stands out from the rest, will not be bullied by the whips and is not dishonest like the rest of the remainers that have not stuck by their manifestos. | | | |
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