| The Old Firm 09:42 - Apr 9 with 1778 views | woodbridge_blue |
Watched the Celtic v Rangers game yesterday lunchtime. I know they play each other four times every season (six this season) and it's not the most competitive league, but I always thoroughly enjoy the Old Firm games, even without away supporters.
Just wondering where we all think Celtic and Rangers would finish if they played in England. I could see them at least mid table in the Premiership, possibly challenging for Europe.
Surely they are at least as good as Fulham and Brentford? |  | | |  |
| The Old Firm on 09:56 - Apr 9 with 1693 views | clive_baker |
It’s hard to say but I don’t think so, I think they’re 2 championship sides and certainly way behind Brentford and Fulham. They have vociferous home support but when you look at the players with experience in the English league I don’t think any are premier league players now. Hart, Carter-Vickers, Cantwell etc. All Championship players. When you see Liverpool slap Rangers 0-7 at Ibrox in the CL you can’t help but think they would more than struggle in the Premier League. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 9:57]
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| The Old Firm on 09:59 - Apr 9 with 1661 views | MattinLondon |
If both of them were to have been parachuted into the PL at the start of this season, then both teams will be struggling badly.
However, even if both were relegated, in the long term, both teams (especially Celtic) will probably blow most teams out of the water. Celtic, what with their global fan base will attract a lot of investment- I’d imagine the same with Rangers.
Currently both teams carry too much baggage in terms of sectarian hatred and crowd trouble for them to be admitted to the English league pyramid. |  | | |
| The Old Firm on 10:00 - Apr 9 with 1652 views | chicoazul |
They’d struggle in the Championship initially. After a while they would start to attract better players and become strong mid table Prem teams. But a big no thanks to the ancient sectarianism drunkenness thuggery drug abuse and violence though. |  |
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| The Old Firm on 10:02 - Apr 9 with 1634 views | BlueBadger |
If they started the season in the EPL I suspect they'd probably finish it in the Championship.
Lest we forget, Matt Penney, currently unable to get a game for Charlton was a a regular starter for Mtherwell this season |  |
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| The Old Firm on 10:03 - Apr 9 with 1620 views | BlueBadger |
| The Old Firm on 09:56 - Apr 9 by clive_baker |
It’s hard to say but I don’t think so, I think they’re 2 championship sides and certainly way behind Brentford and Fulham. They have vociferous home support but when you look at the players with experience in the English league I don’t think any are premier league players now. Hart, Carter-Vickers, Cantwell etc. All Championship players. When you see Liverpool slap Rangers 0-7 at Ibrox in the CL you can’t help but think they would more than struggle in the Premier League. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 9:57]
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As I've said above, Matt Penney was a regular starter in the Scottish Pram this season. He's not getting a look in at Charlton. | |
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| The Old Firm on 10:04 - Apr 9 with 1623 views | Chrisd |
When you look at their players, you'd probably say a bottom half EPL side to a top Championship team ala Burnley. Both their showings in the Champions League this season showed their level of calibre. Over a combination of 12 group games they picked up 2 draws. Speaks volumes. Having said all that, I still enjoy watching those Old Firm games too. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 10:05]
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| The Old Firm on 10:23 - Apr 9 with 1542 views | clive_baker |
| The Old Firm on 09:59 - Apr 9 by MattinLondon |
If both of them were to have been parachuted into the PL at the start of this season, then both teams will be struggling badly.
However, even if both were relegated, in the long term, both teams (especially Celtic) will probably blow most teams out of the water. Celtic, what with their global fan base will attract a lot of investment- I’d imagine the same with Rangers.
Currently both teams carry too much baggage in terms of sectarian hatred and crowd trouble for them to be admitted to the English league pyramid. |
That’s a very valid point. I’m probably too guilty of thinking about where their current side would sit, rather than where they could feasibly be after some investment and a few transfer windows. They’ve got big grounds, would have sizeable crowds and I would’ve thought there was as much or more pull to go up to Glasgow and earn £50k a week as, say, Wolves. | |
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| The Old Firm on 10:28 - Apr 9 with 1509 views | woodbridge_blue |
| The Old Firm on 09:56 - Apr 9 by clive_baker |
It’s hard to say but I don’t think so, I think they’re 2 championship sides and certainly way behind Brentford and Fulham. They have vociferous home support but when you look at the players with experience in the English league I don’t think any are premier league players now. Hart, Carter-Vickers, Cantwell etc. All Championship players. When you see Liverpool slap Rangers 0-7 at Ibrox in the CL you can’t help but think they would more than struggle in the Premier League. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 9:57]
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Fair point with regards to some of their players, for instance I can't see Hart ever getting regular Premier League action again, but there is some real quality in that Celtic side, with the likes of Kyogo, Johnston, Jota and Hatete surely all capable of holding down a place in a top half Premier side? | | | |
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| The Old Firm on 10:30 - Apr 9 with 1494 views | J2BLUE |
They would take some time to adjust but soon be challenging at the top of the Prem once they had a few years of the money. |  |
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| The Old Firm on 10:48 - Apr 9 with 1445 views | bournemouthblue |
Lower mid-table to start with but could gradually build and become a top 7 side, I'm sure
If the Old Firm were in the EPL, they would big a big pull for any player, who wouldn't want to play in front of their fans, they have massive support and are hugely passionate |  |
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| The Old Firm on 10:52 - Apr 9 with 1415 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Old Firm on 09:56 - Apr 9 by clive_baker |
It’s hard to say but I don’t think so, I think they’re 2 championship sides and certainly way behind Brentford and Fulham. They have vociferous home support but when you look at the players with experience in the English league I don’t think any are premier league players now. Hart, Carter-Vickers, Cantwell etc. All Championship players. When you see Liverpool slap Rangers 0-7 at Ibrox in the CL you can’t help but think they would more than struggle in the Premier League. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 9:57]
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Then again Rangers were recently in the Europa League champions final.
And you can get freak 7-0 results. Liverpool did the same to Man U earlier this season. |  |
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| The Old Firm on 10:55 - Apr 9 with 1389 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Old Firm on 09:56 - Apr 9 by clive_baker |
It’s hard to say but I don’t think so, I think they’re 2 championship sides and certainly way behind Brentford and Fulham. They have vociferous home support but when you look at the players with experience in the English league I don’t think any are premier league players now. Hart, Carter-Vickers, Cantwell etc. All Championship players. When you see Liverpool slap Rangers 0-7 at Ibrox in the CL you can’t help but think they would more than struggle in the Premier League. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 9:57]
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The reality though is that in the Premier League, they would attract better players
So it may take some adjustment and maybe even some yo-yoing but they'd gradual establish themselves, I have no doubt about that | |
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| The Old Firm on 10:56 - Apr 9 with 1377 views | noggin |
| The Old Firm on 10:00 - Apr 9 by chicoazul |
They’d struggle in the Championship initially. After a while they would start to attract better players and become strong mid table Prem teams. But a big no thanks to the ancient sectarianism drunkenness thuggery drug abuse and violence though. |
Drug abuse? You're obsessed. |  |
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| The Old Firm on 12:01 - Apr 9 with 1241 views | DJR |
Interesting how things have changed.
Celtic were European Cup winners in 1967, and beat the "great" Leeds team in both legs of the European Cup semi-final in 1970. And Rangers beat Leeds in both legs of Round 2 of the Champions League in 1992.
But since those times, Scotland doesn't seem to produce the quality of players that it once did, and the Premier League has become incredibly wealthy.
Incidentally, I have the autographs of the Celtic team of 1970 because my uncle was friends with and lived in the same town as Bobby Lennox, one of the Lisbon Lions.
Also interesting to note that all but two members of the 15 man Lisbon Lions squad were born within 10 miles of Celtic Park in Glasgow, the exceptions being Bobby Lennox, who was born 30 miles away in Saltcoats, and Tommy Gemmell, who was born in Motherwell 11 miles away. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 12:02]
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| The Old Firm on 12:20 - Apr 9 with 1202 views | BigCommon |
Over a full season, Id stock top Scottish teams, mid table Championship...
It's hard to gauge the gulf in one off European games between Scottish and English sides, imo....
But over a season of 46 games, with no real easy ones. Against teams that can compete "better"financially .I doubt either Celtic or Rangers would romp The Champiomsjip.....
Can't remember the last player to leave either of them, for a top ten Prem club.. And they both sign players from EFL, regularly.. Tom Laurence, for instance, ad an example. |  | | |
| The Old Firm on 13:10 - Apr 9 with 1126 views | BlueBadger |
| The Old Firm on 10:56 - Apr 9 by noggin |
Drug abuse? You're obsessed. |
Many edgelords want to model themselves on Hitchens. Sadly for Chico, he chose Peter. | |
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| The Old Firm on 13:32 - Apr 9 with 1083 views | leitrimblue |
| The Old Firm on 10:56 - Apr 9 by noggin |
Drug abuse? You're obsessed. |
The secret ingredient in Irn Bru... |  | | |
| The Old Firm on 14:08 - Apr 9 with 1024 views | tractordownsouth |
With their teams as they are, they'd be in a relegation scrap but if they were given the Premier League money season after season both would challenge for Europe. |  |
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| The Old Firm on 14:29 - Apr 9 with 961 views | ronnyd |
| The Old Firm on 09:56 - Apr 9 by clive_baker |
It’s hard to say but I don’t think so, I think they’re 2 championship sides and certainly way behind Brentford and Fulham. They have vociferous home support but when you look at the players with experience in the English league I don’t think any are premier league players now. Hart, Carter-Vickers, Cantwell etc. All Championship players. When you see Liverpool slap Rangers 0-7 at Ibrox in the CL you can’t help but think they would more than struggle in the Premier League. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 9:57]
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Conner Goldston is at Rangers too. Was he close to signing for us a couple of years ago, or was it just gossip hype? | | | |
| The Old Firm on 15:38 - Apr 9 with 858 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Mid-table championship at best. The standard of Jocko football is appalling. Having said that the ‘atmosphere’ at old firm games was pretty impressive back in the 70s and 80s when the standard wax a bit higher and I went on a grand tour of Jocko grounds | |
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