| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? 09:31 - Jul 2 with 8104 views | unstableblue |
He was some Edwardian curiosity... a figure on fun... just a character at Parliament!
Now he seems to be a de facto leader of the opposition... destabilising the government, enforcer of the will of the people (the baying massively duped mob)
It’s just mental
And all the while investment stalls in the economy... god we need a World Cup run!!
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 09:53 - Jul 2 with 3962 views | DanFord |
Boris is the foreign secretary, May is PM, Trump is the President, Russia is behaving itself at a World Cup and North Korea has acted reasonably of late. It's like the world is having a mid-life crisis. |  |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 09:59 - Jul 2 with 3942 views | tractordownsouth |
He's moved his company out of the country due to Brexit, after campaigning to say that Brexit will not move companies out of the country.
He evidently hates our country more than any ' remoaners' or 'snowflakes' |  |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:02 - Jul 2 with 3934 views | WeWereZombies |
Some journalists were bored and started daring each other to see who could get the most bonkers idea off the ground? |  |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:03 - Jul 2 with 3932 views | Swansea_Blue |
Exploiting the UKIP & Tory-made divisions quite nicely isn't he? Hopefully the country has it's eyes open enough to see him for what he really is (a duplicitous dinosaur). |  |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:09 - Jul 2 with 3921 views | Guthrum |
I really think he ought to have the whip withdrawn. Openly threatening to lead a rebellion if he doesn't get his way. Bloke should be kicked out of the Conservatives and forced to try founding his own party.
Unfortunately, that kind of action is hamstrung by a fragile majority and an opposition more intent on playing the usual tribal games (e.g. criticising the government for pragmatic changes of policy) than getting a good outcome for the country.
Johnson, Gove and co. might make indiscreet comments, but at least they back the Prime Minister in public.
I look forward to the day when enough MPs have the courage to tear up the current party structures and forge new ones more relevant to the modern age. |  |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:10 - Jul 2 with 3909 views | unstableblue |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 09:59 - Jul 2 by tractordownsouth |
He's moved his company out of the country due to Brexit, after campaigning to say that Brexit will not move companies out of the country.
He evidently hates our country more than any ' remoaners' or 'snowflakes' |
Do you have a link to that story?? | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:12 - Jul 2 with 3897 views | factual_blue |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:09 - Jul 2 by Guthrum |
I really think he ought to have the whip withdrawn. Openly threatening to lead a rebellion if he doesn't get his way. Bloke should be kicked out of the Conservatives and forced to try founding his own party.
Unfortunately, that kind of action is hamstrung by a fragile majority and an opposition more intent on playing the usual tribal games (e.g. criticising the government for pragmatic changes of policy) than getting a good outcome for the country.
Johnson, Gove and co. might make indiscreet comments, but at least they back the Prime Minister in public.
I look forward to the day when enough MPs have the courage to tear up the current party structures and forge new ones more relevant to the modern age. |
I bet he likes a three line whip |  |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:13 - Jul 2 with 3893 views | WeWereZombies |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:09 - Jul 2 by Guthrum |
I really think he ought to have the whip withdrawn. Openly threatening to lead a rebellion if he doesn't get his way. Bloke should be kicked out of the Conservatives and forced to try founding his own party.
Unfortunately, that kind of action is hamstrung by a fragile majority and an opposition more intent on playing the usual tribal games (e.g. criticising the government for pragmatic changes of policy) than getting a good outcome for the country.
Johnson, Gove and co. might make indiscreet comments, but at least they back the Prime Minister in public.
I look forward to the day when enough MPs have the courage to tear up the current party structures and forge new ones more relevant to the modern age. |
Most constituencies have a fair few independents on the ballot papers every election, some of those candidates are even sensible. Could it just be that collectively us, the electorate, always bottle it when it comes to backing representative democracy? | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:30 - Jul 2 with 3861 views | Guthrum |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:13 - Jul 2 by WeWereZombies |
Most constituencies have a fair few independents on the ballot papers every election, some of those candidates are even sensible. Could it just be that collectively us, the electorate, always bottle it when it comes to backing representative democracy? |
People no longer elect a representative to send to Westminster - which is how the system is supposed to work - they vote for a party which represents closest to their views (or the same one their parents did, or based on perceived social class, or even the political realities of 90 years ago).
However, the current parties came together to reflect the political landscape in the first half of the last century. They don't represent modern ideological groupings. Thus are riven by factionalism as each interest group fights to take over the whole.
Ideally, each faction should be a separate entity, free to come together in coalition with others in order to form a government, crossing what are currently party lines. For example, Conservative and Labour Brexiteers might find sufficient common ground to work together. It works perfectly well in many other countries, altho they tend to be more relaxed about extended periods of negotiation while an administration is put together. We seem to have this fear that the country will dissolve into anarchy and civil war if left without a government for more than a few days. | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:32 - Jul 2 with 3856 views | CoachRob |
I think he is a nostalgic figure for the party - some within the party want to hark back to the days of monetarism. The Tories like to define themselves as fiscally responsible but few people today would back huge interest rate hikes, loose lending and further deregulation of financial services. The commodification of everything seems to have run its course and monetarism has led us down a path of colossal debt(private and gov) and stagnating growth.
The Tories have to move to the left to stay relevant, now third party in UK for party members, hence guff on plastics, tree planting and funding for NHS. Rees-Mogg and his model of economics should be assigned to the dustbin. |  | | |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:14 - Jul 2 with 3753 views | GlasgowBlue |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 09:59 - Jul 2 by tractordownsouth |
He's moved his company out of the country due to Brexit, after campaigning to say that Brexit will not move companies out of the country.
He evidently hates our country more than any ' remoaners' or 'snowflakes' |
He hasn’t moved his company out of the UK. He’s set up a fund in Dublin. He also has offices in Singapore.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-ac
And people tell me it’s the leavers who spread lies. [Post edited 2 Jul 2018 11:26]
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:14 - Jul 2 with 3767 views | Sarge |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 09:59 - Jul 2 by tractordownsouth |
He's moved his company out of the country due to Brexit, after campaigning to say that Brexit will not move companies out of the country.
He evidently hates our country more than any ' remoaners' or 'snowflakes' |
In fairness he moved his company to Ireland, which when he was born, was part of the UK. | | | |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:21 - Jul 2 with 3738 views | GlasgowBlue |
The answer to your question is the day May lost her majority. Also, as much as I oppose some of JRM’s views, its an error to dismiss him as some sort of joke character. He has a razor sharp mind and good command of detail. | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:35 - Jul 2 with 3715 views | BraveDave |
Answer - although I detest him, he is clearly a highly intelligent individual. A huge chunk of the Brexit voting public are not capable of giving arguing a good case for their vote without appearing either bigoted or ill informed. Suddenly an intelligent toff comes along who can speak for them and somehow legitimise their views. No wonder he's becoming a hero of the people. He must be chuckling away to himself. | | | |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:36 - Jul 2 with 3709 views | Darth_Koont |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:09 - Jul 2 by Guthrum |
I really think he ought to have the whip withdrawn. Openly threatening to lead a rebellion if he doesn't get his way. Bloke should be kicked out of the Conservatives and forced to try founding his own party.
Unfortunately, that kind of action is hamstrung by a fragile majority and an opposition more intent on playing the usual tribal games (e.g. criticising the government for pragmatic changes of policy) than getting a good outcome for the country.
Johnson, Gove and co. might make indiscreet comments, but at least they back the Prime Minister in public.
I look forward to the day when enough MPs have the courage to tear up the current party structures and forge new ones more relevant to the modern age. |
It's a very good point. The Conservative and Labour behemoths are far too broad and unwieldy to be effective. For the past couple of decades, they've more or less been fighting internal battles and chasing random votes to keep their empires together.
Might as well split, re-group and align themselves as partners in a future coalition and then people can vote for who they want on what they stand for and that *should* be represented in the power share. Who knows? For once, that might even result in a genuine majority government as voted by the population. |  |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:41 - Jul 2 with 3690 views | chicoazul |
To answer your question, it happened when people started to be influenced by politicians' personalities what they say and what people feel they represent rather than who they are and what they do. Part of the ongoing spasm of the Cult of Personality and populism in politics here and elsewhere, and the fact that so many people feel disenfranchised and ignored by the political class. |  |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:43 - Jul 2 with 3682 views | chicoazul |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:36 - Jul 2 by Darth_Koont |
It's a very good point. The Conservative and Labour behemoths are far too broad and unwieldy to be effective. For the past couple of decades, they've more or less been fighting internal battles and chasing random votes to keep their empires together.
Might as well split, re-group and align themselves as partners in a future coalition and then people can vote for who they want on what they stand for and that *should* be represented in the power share. Who knows? For once, that might even result in a genuine majority government as voted by the population. |
If you ask me, not that you are, but if you ask me then Labour seem to be doing a better job of representing their "people" for lack of a better word now than they have for many years. They are proudly socialist and pro-Brexit. | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:53 - Jul 2 with 3651 views | Darth_Koont |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:43 - Jul 2 by chicoazul |
If you ask me, not that you are, but if you ask me then Labour seem to be doing a better job of representing their "people" for lack of a better word now than they have for many years. They are proudly socialist and pro-Brexit. |
65% of Labour supporters voted Remain so no, they're not. | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:57 - Jul 2 with 3635 views | chicoazul |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:53 - Jul 2 by Darth_Koont |
65% of Labour supporters voted Remain so no, they're not. |
But the vote is done, the result is in, Remain lost and Labour are fully behind leaving the EU. | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:59 - Jul 2 with 3629 views | Darth_Koont |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:57 - Jul 2 by chicoazul |
But the vote is done, the result is in, Remain lost and Labour are fully behind leaving the EU. |
If it's about following the 52% of the population and not the 65% of their own support, what was your original point? | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 12:00 - Jul 2 with 3618 views | chicoazul |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:59 - Jul 2 by Darth_Koont |
If it's about following the 52% of the population and not the 65% of their own support, what was your original point? |
I cant remember now but it was a good one. | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 12:01 - Jul 2 with 3612 views | Darth_Koont |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 12:00 - Jul 2 by chicoazul |
I cant remember now but it was a good one. |
Yeah, it was blinding. | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 12:03 - Jul 2 with 3602 views | Guthrum |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 11:43 - Jul 2 by chicoazul |
If you ask me, not that you are, but if you ask me then Labour seem to be doing a better job of representing their "people" for lack of a better word now than they have for many years. They are proudly socialist and pro-Brexit. |
Depends which Labour people you are talking to. There are quite a lot who are not particularly socialist (the Blairites) and others who are actively anti-Brexit. There is a hard socialist wing of the party who, in reality, go far beyond Corbyn's position (tho many of those are still excluded since the purge of Militant). There are pragmatic centrists who think that the current leadership is going too far.
All of them genuinely representing different aspects of Labour Party history and philosophy. But all to a greater or lesser extent mutually antagonistic.
A very similar dissection could be done of the Conservatives (pro-Brexit/anti-Brexit/free marketeers/paternalists/small-government Randists) and even the LibDems (SDP/oldLibs/greenLibs) or the SNP (indyfreaks/Scottish socialists). | |
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| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 12:11 - Jul 2 with 3580 views | JohnWarksTash |
| When did Rees Mog become so influential......? on 10:03 - Jul 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Exploiting the UKIP & Tory-made divisions quite nicely isn't he? Hopefully the country has it's eyes open enough to see him for what he really is (a duplicitous dinosaur). |
you spelt tw*t wrong..... |  | | |
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