| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 16:21 - Nov 17 with 3381 views | Buhrer |
Well let's hope he benefits from the community justice then. [Post edited 17 Nov 2023 16:22]
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 16:21 - Nov 17 with 3380 views | Metal_Hacker |
And rightly so ....majorly poor taste |  |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 16:23 - Nov 17 with 3361 views | _clive_baker_ |
Not so much a chant, but holding up a picture of a dead kid in an attempt to goad opposition supporters. Absolutely disgraceful behavior, utter scumbag. |  | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 16:24 - Nov 17 with 3364 views | wkj |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 16:23 - Nov 17 by _clive_baker_ |
Not so much a chant, but holding up a picture of a dead kid in an attempt to goad opposition supporters. Absolutely disgraceful behavior, utter scumbag. |
What distresses me more is his attitude about it after the fact
Houghton later described his behaviour to police as "enjoyable banter" and said he had "found it funny". |  |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 16:30 - Nov 17 with 3312 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 16:24 - Nov 17 by wkj |
What distresses me more is his attitude about it after the fact
Houghton later described his behaviour to police as "enjoyable banter" and said he had "found it funny". |
Yeah, c-unit of the highest order. Terribly sad that the family of the young lad were exposed to it too, probably unavoidable really. His mother came out and said how upsetting it was. Just horrible all round. | | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 17:16 - Nov 17 with 3120 views | Swansea_Blue |
He seems nice |  |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 18:17 - Nov 17 with 2994 views | BigCommon |
Certainly "flimsy" in this instance.
But a poor , rather extreme, example, to use in any "banter" argument... I'm sure everyone would agree, that this particular incident goes way beyond "banter".
I wouldn't try to lessen the abhorrence, by classing this as banter... |  | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 18:21 - Nov 17 with 2974 views | BlueBadger |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 18:17 - Nov 17 by BigCommon |
Certainly "flimsy" in this instance.
But a poor , rather extreme, example, to use in any "banter" argument... I'm sure everyone would agree, that this particular incident goes way beyond "banter".
I wouldn't try to lessen the abhorrence, by classing this as banter... |
95% of 'banter' is just people being c**ts though, so..... |  |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 18:34 - Nov 17 with 2937 views | BigCommon |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 18:21 - Nov 17 by BlueBadger |
95% of 'banter' is just people being c**ts though, so..... |
Saw a clip of some Leeds fans, taking the pi55 out of an Argyle fan because he was wearing chinos , last week.. Made me laugh..
The Bradley Lowry thing, is disgusting. No one can deny that.. | | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 21:51 - Nov 17 with 2712 views | matteoblue |
Let's hope the state doesn't disagree with you next time. |  |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 22:06 - Nov 17 with 2656 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 21:51 - Nov 17 by matteoblue |
Let's hope the state doesn't disagree with you next time. |
Eh? | |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 22:12 - Nov 17 with 2647 views | BlueDouglas |
Goes without saying he's a grade a ****, but just being a **** isnt a crime for me, don't fancy living in a police state. |  | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 00:13 - Nov 18 with 2480 views | Meadowlark |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 22:12 - Nov 17 by BlueDouglas |
Goes without saying he's a grade a ****, but just being a **** isnt a crime for me, don't fancy living in a police state. |
I tend to agree. People jumping on the lynch mob bandwagon because the bloke is obviously a dick, but they need to take a long hard look at the WhatsApp memes and jokes they are sharing themselves before condemning a fellow traveller.
The "thought police" are now with us.
(I feel a disclaimer is required. As society is now polarised and if you don't agree, it must mean you disagree, I would like to point out to the hard of thinking that I personally do not condone his actions) |  | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 07:44 - Nov 18 with 2299 views | Mullet |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 22:12 - Nov 17 by BlueDouglas |
Goes without saying he's a grade a ****, but just being a **** isnt a crime for me, don't fancy living in a police state. |
Outraging public decency is though. Plus he's probably skirting close on a few other things too.
I'm not sure anything on this thread constitutes support for a police state either. |  |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 07:52 - Nov 18 with 2280 views | Mercian |
Some Liverpool supporters are rightly appalled when Man U fans mock Hillsborough at Anfield before going to Old Trafford and mocking Munich and vice versa. |  | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 10:17 - Nov 18 with 2140 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 22:06 - Nov 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Eh? |
It sounds rather like dear matteo thinks this should not have been a crime because it is the state deciding what is right and wrong.
Whilst there may be occasions where restrictions on speech might go too far, to apply that to this situation is quite a hot take.
Feel free to correct me if my interpretation of your odd comment is wrong, matteo! |  |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 10:32 - Nov 18 with 2114 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 10:17 - Nov 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It sounds rather like dear matteo thinks this should not have been a crime because it is the state deciding what is right and wrong.
Whilst there may be occasions where restrictions on speech might go too far, to apply that to this situation is quite a hot take.
Feel free to correct me if my interpretation of your odd comment is wrong, matteo! |
Yeah, and supports the idea of being able to publicly mock the deceased presumably. I’m not sure why anyone would want to do that, so I’ve no problems having laws in place to stop it.
This fella will hopefully learn from being pulled up in front of a judge. It might make him a better person, if he’s bright enough to take the massage on board. It’s fair it’s a suspended sentence too (and possibly it’s too long). People shouldn’t be locked up for stuff like this, that would be way over the top and a waste of our money). | |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 10:37 - Nov 18 with 2087 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 00:13 - Nov 18 by Meadowlark |
I tend to agree. People jumping on the lynch mob bandwagon because the bloke is obviously a dick, but they need to take a long hard look at the WhatsApp memes and jokes they are sharing themselves before condemning a fellow traveller.
The "thought police" are now with us.
(I feel a disclaimer is required. As society is now polarised and if you don't agree, it must mean you disagree, I would like to point out to the hard of thinking that I personally do not condone his actions) |
Except the difference here is that it is part of one testerosterone fueled mob goading another testerosterone fueled mob and it could quite easily have led to a reaction.
Personally I wouldn't waste taxpayers money on him and would prefer it if he had been fined a significant amount of money. | | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 10:47 - Nov 18 with 2057 views | TresBonne |
Completely unrelated of course, but this popped up in my feed today
2 years in a youth detention centre for following and murdering an 82 year old.
Should be 20x that. |  | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 11:05 - Nov 18 with 2033 views | DJR |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 00:13 - Nov 18 by Meadowlark |
I tend to agree. People jumping on the lynch mob bandwagon because the bloke is obviously a dick, but they need to take a long hard look at the WhatsApp memes and jokes they are sharing themselves before condemning a fellow traveller.
The "thought police" are now with us.
(I feel a disclaimer is required. As society is now polarised and if you don't agree, it must mean you disagree, I would like to point out to the hard of thinking that I personally do not condone his actions) |
I tend to agree too, although there may be public order considerations in a case such as this, and clearly the family will welcome the prosecution.
I suppose there is an increasing tendency to seek to criminalise things which strike me as not really criminal, however objectionable they may be.
Climbing statues is the latest example, but, from a civil liberties point of view, the question arises as to where this stops. |  | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 11:18 - Nov 18 with 1998 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 00:13 - Nov 18 by Meadowlark |
I tend to agree. People jumping on the lynch mob bandwagon because the bloke is obviously a dick, but they need to take a long hard look at the WhatsApp memes and jokes they are sharing themselves before condemning a fellow traveller.
The "thought police" are now with us.
(I feel a disclaimer is required. As society is now polarised and if you don't agree, it must mean you disagree, I would like to point out to the hard of thinking that I personally do not condone his actions) |
I can sleep fairly easy at night knowing I’ve never shared a WhatsApp meme mocking a child who died from cancer to be honest.
It’s not so much a shift to a ‘police state’ so much as actions having consequences. | | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 11:32 - Nov 18 with 1959 views | BlueDouglas |
People want to see this guy face some consequences for what he did and rightly so, but that doesn't always mean the police need to be involved - he's lost his job, then lost his next job, his friends and film have turned their backs on him, no doubt he regrets what he did. Police / courts exist when there's no other way to bring someone to justice, not to control every aspect of our lives! | | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 13:18 - Nov 18 with 1856 views | ClareBlue |
It's always interesting where the line is. It's not absolute and changes and evolves, This is beyond the line in most people's opinion. Mocking the death of Mrs Thatcher no where near the line for most people. Mocking the death of a Monarch crosses for some but obviously not others. We have authors imprisoned for offending public decency for books that children now read and study. How it is decided what offends public decency and is there actually any public decency to offend anymore.
Decency and integrity and empathy are increasing seen as weakness in society yet we can still imprison people for offending what most people can not define and the vast majority step over every day in posts on social media.
Does anyone know what the test is as to how far people can go with banter before it becomes offensive and outrages public decency. | | | |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 13:28 - Nov 18 with 1835 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 10:47 - Nov 18 by TresBonne |
Completely unrelated of course, but this popped up in my feed today
2 years in a youth detention centre for following and murdering an 82 year old.
Should be 20x that. |
That’s disgusting. Manslaughter my arse. It’s a pre-meditated attack and he should be sent down for murder. And 18 year olds are old enough to be sent to an adult prison, so he’s got off lightly there too. As have his accomplices who took part in the attack and didn’t even face any charges.
I would be fuming if I was a friend or relative of the victim. | |
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| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 13:55 - Nov 18 with 1780 views | Whos_blue |
| Jailed for a chant (Edit: Well, suspended sentence) on 13:28 - Nov 18 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s disgusting. Manslaughter my arse. It’s a pre-meditated attack and he should be sent down for murder. And 18 year olds are old enough to be sent to an adult prison, so he’s got off lightly there too. As have his accomplices who took part in the attack and didn’t even face any charges.
I would be fuming if I was a friend or relative of the victim. |
I think part of the issue is that he was under 18 when the offence was committed. This does not detract from the fact the sentence appears wholly unsatisfactory, but maybe the judge's hand were tied by sentencing guidelines? |  |
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