| German furlough scheme gets it right... 08:10 - Aug 16 with 3809 views | uefacup81 |
The German furlough scheme (Kurzarbeitergeld) was already pretty well-structured. It covers any loss of income (no need to be fully furloughed), increases over time (60% of shortfall covered in months 1-3, 70% in months 4-6, 80% from month 7), and pays 7% extra if you have a child.
They've just announced they're extending the programme to run for 24 months instead of the original 12.
But hey, at least I can get 50% off a Nandos! |  |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 08:38 - Aug 16 with 3709 views | Keno |
I have a question
If it increases over time where is the incentive to return to work? |  |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:04 - Aug 16 with 3652 views | GlasgowBlue |
The 50% off at Nando’s comment is a bit glib.
The eat out to help out scheme has increased trade to the extent that I’ve taken an extra couple of staff members off furlough and back into the workplace. I would imagine bigger places than mine have brought back even more staff.
The scheme also read the British psyche very well. When I reopened, I was dead. Looked like going out of the game in a few months as people just weren’t coming out.
A simple 50% discount was enough to gate people out after months of living in fear. When they did come out they saw that the social distancing measures put in place made eating out safe, and this has lead to and increase in trade on the days that the eat out scheme isn’t running.
If my experience is being reflected across the country, then an industry that provides a large chunk of the tax take now has a future. |  |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:09 - Aug 16 with 3629 views | uefacup81 |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 08:38 - Aug 16 by Keno |
I have a question
If it increases over time where is the incentive to return to work? |
The employer must prove that there has been a drop-off in work/income in order to necessitate a move to short-hours working. | |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:10 - Aug 16 with 3629 views | WeWereZombies |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 08:38 - Aug 16 by Keno |
I have a question
If it increases over time where is the incentive to return to work? |
Given how many transgressions of lock down there have been shouldn't the incentive be to stay at home for the moment? |  |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:16 - Aug 16 with 3604 views | uefacup81 |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:04 - Aug 16 by GlasgowBlue |
The 50% off at Nando’s comment is a bit glib.
The eat out to help out scheme has increased trade to the extent that I’ve taken an extra couple of staff members off furlough and back into the workplace. I would imagine bigger places than mine have brought back even more staff.
The scheme also read the British psyche very well. When I reopened, I was dead. Looked like going out of the game in a few months as people just weren’t coming out.
A simple 50% discount was enough to gate people out after months of living in fear. When they did come out they saw that the social distancing measures put in place made eating out safe, and this has lead to and increase in trade on the days that the eat out scheme isn’t running.
If my experience is being reflected across the country, then an industry that provides a large chunk of the tax take now has a future. |
I'm afraid I just don't believe it was as well-intentioned as that.
If the government was truly looking to boost the hospitality sector, why not make the discount across-the-board as opposed to eat-in only?
There's more to it than just propping up a sector, and a further incentive to get people into enclosed spaces merely adds another piece of evidence to the whole 'herd immunity' argument. | |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:19 - Aug 16 with 3593 views | Keno |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:09 - Aug 16 by uefacup81 |
The employer must prove that there has been a drop-off in work/income in order to necessitate a move to short-hours working. |
fair enough
I know of UK employers who are having issues getting staff back | |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:38 - Aug 16 with 3525 views | allezlesbleus |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:19 - Aug 16 by Keno |
fair enough
I know of UK employers who are having issues getting staff back |
I have had this problem, particularly with part-time staff. I may be cynical, but I think these employees would have been far more willing to return to work if this had happened over the autumn / winter when the weather would be much worse. Several off them seem quite content to receive FP for sunbathing in the garden. |  | | |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:46 - Aug 16 with 3496 views | GlasgowBlue |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:16 - Aug 16 by uefacup81 |
I'm afraid I just don't believe it was as well-intentioned as that.
If the government was truly looking to boost the hospitality sector, why not make the discount across-the-board as opposed to eat-in only?
There's more to it than just propping up a sector, and a further incentive to get people into enclosed spaces merely adds another piece of evidence to the whole 'herd immunity' argument. |
"why not make the discount across-the-board as opposed to eat-in only?"
Because Take-Away businesses were able to operate throughout lockdown, whereas as eat in places had no income for 4 1/2 months.
Alongside the VAT cut, it's kept a lot of businesses such as mine afloat.
Re your last point. Until we have a vaccine then we have no choice but to get people out trying to act as normally as possible. The consequences of a crashed economy, including the deaths, poverty, mental health issues, our kids not being etc, will far outweigh those of the Covid virus.
An economy isn't something that is nice to have. Its the mechanisms for paying for our health service, schools etc. | |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 10:25 - Aug 16 with 3358 views | GlasgowBlue |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:19 - Aug 16 by Keno |
fair enough
I know of UK employers who are having issues getting staff back |
That’s true. We are well behind other European countries in returning to the workplace.
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/uk-lags-behind-europe-on-returning-to-office/
That has a knock on effect to the shops, bars and restaurants these workers were previously using. | |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 11:45 - Aug 16 with 3232 views | factual_blue |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 08:38 - Aug 16 by Keno |
I have a question
If it increases over time where is the incentive to return to work? |
Arbeit Macht Frei, or in English 'work is liberating'.
A slogan the tories would happily sign up to. [Post edited 16 Aug 2020 14:24]
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 11:48 - Aug 16 with 3216 views | pointofblue |
Which means the German scheme will be cheaper to run than the U.K. scheme. |  |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 11:50 - Aug 16 with 3207 views | factual_blue |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:10 - Aug 16 by WeWereZombies |
Given how many transgressions of lock down there have been shouldn't the incentive be to stay at home for the moment? |
A mate has a daughter living in Melbourne.
She says that it's widely held in Melbourne that the currently resurgence in Covid is down to the staff at hotels where the govt placed returnees into quarantine.
The staff were, allegedly, providing or arranging sexual services for those in quarantine.
I don't know whether to believe this or not.
I suspect it's from facetwit, and originates from some sort of nasty Aussie white supremacists. A lot of first nation people and Asian working in Aussie hotels. | |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 11:53 - Aug 16 with 3189 views | GlasgowBlue |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 11:45 - Aug 16 by factual_blue |
Arbeit Macht Frei, or in English 'work is liberating'.
A slogan the tories would happily sign up to. [Post edited 16 Aug 2020 14:24]
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As crass and tasteless as ever facters. | |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 11:56 - Aug 16 with 3172 views | witchdoctor |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 11:53 - Aug 16 by GlasgowBlue |
As crass and tasteless as ever facters. |
indeed...would you expect anything less? |  | | |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 17:02 - Aug 16 with 2878 views | Sarge |
Personally I think it’s a good thing. If the last few months have proven that working from home can be done, why the rush to undo all that and go back to the way things were? Working from home is better for the environment, better for a lot of people’s mental health, better for family time and hopefully means people don’t all have to live in the same areas. I know it’s bad for some shops and restaurants but maybe if people aren’t wasting hours each day commuting they might start to spend some of their new free time and the money they haven’t sunk into overpriced travel in these places.
Just seems like this was an opportunity to rethink the way we do things and to create a more sustainable way to live, hopefully we don’t throw it away to go back to how we were. | | | |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 17:35 - Aug 16 with 2836 views | Shawsey |
So why would companies take their employees back? Not sure it is the best way to get back to work. Some of us have worked throughout without 50% off a Nandos. |  | | |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 18:37 - Aug 16 with 2760 views | SonOfSpock |
I want to return back to the office just to be in a different environment and to have contact with other people not on Teams or Zoom. The novelty of working from home has definitely worn off.
The Majority of my colleagues have turned round and said they dont want to return because it saves them petrol money. I am allowed back, but to be honest, unless people are phsically there there's no difference me being at the office speaking to people on teams versus speaking to people on teams from home.
It also sounds like a right faff in the office with screens, one way systems, closed off meeting rooms and not being able to to walk to other rooms. |  | | |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 19:03 - Aug 16 with 2704 views | uefacup81 |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 17:35 - Aug 16 by Shawsey |
So why would companies take their employees back? Not sure it is the best way to get back to work. Some of us have worked throughout without 50% off a Nandos. |
Because, as stated above, there are criteria that employers must fulfil in order to benefit from the scheme.
They can't just choose to keep employees on Kurzarbeit if the demand has returned. | |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 19:09 - Aug 16 with 2695 views | Ace_High1 |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 18:37 - Aug 16 by SonOfSpock |
I want to return back to the office just to be in a different environment and to have contact with other people not on Teams or Zoom. The novelty of working from home has definitely worn off.
The Majority of my colleagues have turned round and said they dont want to return because it saves them petrol money. I am allowed back, but to be honest, unless people are phsically there there's no difference me being at the office speaking to people on teams versus speaking to people on teams from home.
It also sounds like a right faff in the office with screens, one way systems, closed off meeting rooms and not being able to to walk to other rooms. |
Still good to get in a routine though and to get up and out the door.
We re-opened our office about 2 months ago for use for small groups/internal meetings.
I work from there about 3-4 days a week now and it works well. |  | | |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 19:45 - Aug 16 with 2648 views | Mugwump |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 11:45 - Aug 16 by factual_blue |
Arbeit Macht Frei, or in English 'work is liberating'.
A slogan the tories would happily sign up to. [Post edited 16 Aug 2020 14:24]
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That’s a bit sneaky.
Your edited post bears little resemblance to the post that myself and others downvoted. | | | |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 21:08 - Aug 16 with 2564 views | longtimefan |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 17:02 - Aug 16 by Sarge |
Personally I think it’s a good thing. If the last few months have proven that working from home can be done, why the rush to undo all that and go back to the way things were? Working from home is better for the environment, better for a lot of people’s mental health, better for family time and hopefully means people don’t all have to live in the same areas. I know it’s bad for some shops and restaurants but maybe if people aren’t wasting hours each day commuting they might start to spend some of their new free time and the money they haven’t sunk into overpriced travel in these places.
Just seems like this was an opportunity to rethink the way we do things and to create a more sustainable way to live, hopefully we don’t throw it away to go back to how we were. |
Interestingly my based Norwegian colleagues are basically being given a three line whip to return to the office at least 3 days a week from now onwards. This is despite everyone working from home completely satisfactorily. It apples to even those who need to use public transport, who have been told to just avoid peak hours. | | | |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 21:09 - Aug 16 with 2563 views | Swansea_Blue |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 09:04 - Aug 16 by GlasgowBlue |
The 50% off at Nando’s comment is a bit glib.
The eat out to help out scheme has increased trade to the extent that I’ve taken an extra couple of staff members off furlough and back into the workplace. I would imagine bigger places than mine have brought back even more staff.
The scheme also read the British psyche very well. When I reopened, I was dead. Looked like going out of the game in a few months as people just weren’t coming out.
A simple 50% discount was enough to gate people out after months of living in fear. When they did come out they saw that the social distancing measures put in place made eating out safe, and this has lead to and increase in trade on the days that the eat out scheme isn’t running.
If my experience is being reflected across the country, then an industry that provides a large chunk of the tax take now has a future. |
“read the British psyche”. I know, depressing isn’t it.
Glad you’re doing well though. |  |
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| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 21:23 - Aug 16 with 2549 views | Sarge |
| German furlough scheme gets it right... on 21:08 - Aug 16 by longtimefan |
Interestingly my based Norwegian colleagues are basically being given a three line whip to return to the office at least 3 days a week from now onwards. This is despite everyone working from home completely satisfactorily. It apples to even those who need to use public transport, who have been told to just avoid peak hours. |
What nonsense. When will presenteeism finally die? My days in the office are over (at least in this job). I’ve no need to be there, get no benefit from being there and it seems my superiors agree (although the office is not yet open to put their words to the test). | | | |
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