omg emily thornberry just said 23:27 - Sep 5 with 23230 views | Trequartista | If labour win an election they will negotiate a new deal with the eu and then have a referendum and campaign against the deal they have negiotiated. Now i know the twtd bubble is only concerned with booting johnson but back in the real world the weakest most chaotic government in history is about 8 points clear of labour. And with statements like the aforementioned how can they expect anyone to vote for that? | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 23:39 - Sep 5 with 8216 views | Trequartista |
I'm pretty sure i haven't misrepresented her position. It was possibly the worst debate i have ever seen and was difficult to hear every word clearly over the bickering. Only the brexit party man(who i disagree with the most) and the journalist spoke with any clarity [Post edited 5 Sep 2019 23:43]
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omg emily thornberry just said on 23:42 - Sep 5 with 8197 views | BrixtonBlue |
omg emily thornberry just said on 23:39 - Sep 5 by Trequartista | I'm pretty sure i haven't misrepresented her position. It was possibly the worst debate i have ever seen and was difficult to hear every word clearly over the bickering. Only the brexit party man(who i disagree with the most) and the journalist spoke with any clarity [Post edited 5 Sep 2019 23:43]
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In my experience, someone who says they're "pretty sure" - isn't. | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 23:49 - Sep 5 with 8167 views | Trequartista |
omg emily thornberry just said on 23:42 - Sep 5 by BrixtonBlue | In my experience, someone who says they're "pretty sure" - isn't. |
You probably need to socialise with more reliable people then. | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 23:58 - Sep 5 with 8137 views | Vaughan8 |
Yes she did These two parties are so bad. Who would want to vote for either. | | | |
omg emily thornberry just said on 06:50 - Sep 6 with 7954 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
omg emily thornberry just said on 23:39 - Sep 5 by Trequartista | I'm pretty sure i haven't misrepresented her position. It was possibly the worst debate i have ever seen and was difficult to hear every word clearly over the bickering. Only the brexit party man(who i disagree with the most) and the journalist spoke with any clarity [Post edited 5 Sep 2019 23:43]
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Truculent schoolchildren came to mind tbh. The audience came out of the programme with some degree of decorum at least. No, you didn,t misrepresent her position. [Post edited 6 Sep 2019 6:55]
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:03 - Sep 6 with 7901 views | wkj | "Now i know the twtd bubble is only concerned with booting johnson" Incorrect, I am more focused on prioritising my anxieties towards those who are taking action on crackpot beliefs before I wory about those who are fantasising about their crackpot beliefs | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:11 - Sep 6 with 7867 views | Wacko | What's wrong with that? There are a lot of Labour MPs who want a Brexit deal, there are a lot of members of the public who want a Brexit deal, by doing so they are providing democratic options for the public to vote for, while sticking to their general party policy | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:15 - Sep 6 with 7855 views | Herbivore | They're still trying to hedge their bets, trying to keep the third of Labour voters who voted leave happy whilst playing to the Remain majority. I don't think it's a very good strategy and personally it's put me off Labour but I can understand the logic behind it. The Tories seem to be hell bent on making themselves indistinguishable from the Brexit Party, which is arguably a worse strategy. | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:21 - Sep 6 with 7830 views | m14_blue |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:11 - Sep 6 by Wacko | What's wrong with that? There are a lot of Labour MPs who want a Brexit deal, there are a lot of members of the public who want a Brexit deal, by doing so they are providing democratic options for the public to vote for, while sticking to their general party policy |
It’s a terrible idea politically. How do they sell that on the doorstep to either passionate brexiteers or remainers? | | | |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:23 - Sep 6 with 7824 views | StokieBlue |
Why do you think those people would vote Labour? Given their stance on brexit the last two years I would think they are more likely to vote liberal. SB | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:24 - Sep 6 with 7818 views | StokieBlue |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:11 - Sep 6 by Wacko | What's wrong with that? There are a lot of Labour MPs who want a Brexit deal, there are a lot of members of the public who want a Brexit deal, by doing so they are providing democratic options for the public to vote for, while sticking to their general party policy |
Well there is the small point that the EU have said they aren't going to renegotiate about 20 times but Labour continue to ignore them. It's not really our choice. SB | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:26 - Sep 6 with 7799 views | Herbivore |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:21 - Sep 6 by m14_blue | It’s a terrible idea politically. How do they sell that on the doorstep to either passionate brexiteers or remainers? |
I don't think it's that hard a sell actually: "We respect that there are strong views on both sides and that a majority of people wanted to leave in 2016. On that basis we want to negotiate the best deal that we can to respect the referendum result. However we feel that, on balance, no deal can improve on the relationship we already have with the EU and those who told you otherwise in 2016 were lying. On that basis we feel the people should be given the choice to say whether they still want to leave, but as a party we have taken the decision that we will support remain because it is the outcome that most safeguards jobs, the NHS, and the economy for our voters". Politics has become so binary though that if you don't fanatically pick a side people can't grasp what it is that you're trying to do. The Tories position is as much of a fudge in some respects. They clearly are moving towards no deal but they know that's not palatable to many of their voters so they are having to pretend they want a deal, whilst simultaneously doing nothing to try and get a deal. Whilst Labour's policy looks confused, at least it's not patently dishonest. [Post edited 6 Sep 2019 7:29]
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:27 - Sep 6 with 7783 views | m14_blue |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:26 - Sep 6 by Herbivore | I don't think it's that hard a sell actually: "We respect that there are strong views on both sides and that a majority of people wanted to leave in 2016. On that basis we want to negotiate the best deal that we can to respect the referendum result. However we feel that, on balance, no deal can improve on the relationship we already have with the EU and those who told you otherwise in 2016 were lying. On that basis we feel the people should be given the choice to say whether they still want to leave, but as a party we have taken the decision that we will support remain because it is the outcome that most safeguards jobs, the NHS, and the economy for our voters". Politics has become so binary though that if you don't fanatically pick a side people can't grasp what it is that you're trying to do. The Tories position is as much of a fudge in some respects. They clearly are moving towards no deal but they know that's not palatable to many of their voters so they are having to pretend they want a deal, whilst simultaneously doing nothing to try and get a deal. Whilst Labour's policy looks confused, at least it's not patently dishonest. [Post edited 6 Sep 2019 7:29]
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Well when you put it like that.... | | | |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:31 - Sep 6 with 7759 views | Herbivore |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:24 - Sep 6 by StokieBlue | Well there is the small point that the EU have said they aren't going to renegotiate about 20 times but Labour continue to ignore them. It's not really our choice. SB |
Wait, you mean when Boris says negotiations with the EU currently are going well he's not telling the truth?! Frankly I'm stunned! | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:31 - Sep 6 with 7754 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Yes that IS labour's stated position - and always has been despite Corbyn's dithering. What exactly is wrong with that? IF it is actually possible to leave the EU - and the Good Friday agreement actually puts that in doubt, given the extremists' view of what Brexit actually is, the great unwashed will have a choice between the reality of Brexit or staying in. More or less the polar opposite of the referendum we were offered back in the early 70s - a choice between the reality of joining the EU or the reality of staying out. The only better option I have seen is the LIb Dem's - have a referendum before a general election so the election can be had onlies on domestic issues not skewed by lies on Brexit. | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:33 - Sep 6 with 7743 views | Wacko |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:24 - Sep 6 by StokieBlue | Well there is the small point that the EU have said they aren't going to renegotiate about 20 times but Labour continue to ignore them. It's not really our choice. SB |
Sure but the OP was more on about the principal rather than the possibility | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:34 - Sep 6 with 7734 views | StokieBlue |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:31 - Sep 6 by Herbivore | Wait, you mean when Boris says negotiations with the EU currently are going well he's not telling the truth?! Frankly I'm stunned! |
Why are we using Boris as a barometer? Labour have repeatedly stated their position as one the EU have said it impossible. Seems they continue to do it when they should be providing a viable alternative to the current clown show. SB | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:37 - Sep 6 with 7722 views | Herbivore |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:34 - Sep 6 by StokieBlue | Why are we using Boris as a barometer? Labour have repeatedly stated their position as one the EU have said it impossible. Seems they continue to do it when they should be providing a viable alternative to the current clown show. SB |
I'm sure the EU have also previously said that they would be open to the idea of a customs union, which has been what Labour have been pushing for. They've also recently said they would happily listen to proposals regarding the backstop, so I don't think it's entirely clearcut that there's no further wiggle room. | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 07:49 - Sep 6 with 7671 views | BloomBlue | So let me get this straight, did she say even if Labour agree a withdrawal agreement before a GE, if they win that GE they will go and renegotiate that withdrawal agreement? | | | |
omg emily thornberry just said on 08:27 - Sep 6 with 7560 views | Guthrum |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:15 - Sep 6 by Herbivore | They're still trying to hedge their bets, trying to keep the third of Labour voters who voted leave happy whilst playing to the Remain majority. I don't think it's a very good strategy and personally it's put me off Labour but I can understand the logic behind it. The Tories seem to be hell bent on making themselves indistinguishable from the Brexit Party, which is arguably a worse strategy. |
Which is why I think the LibDems will be the big gainers from this. Most people can see through what Labour are doing. The angrier Leavers will vote Farage Party (or not vote at all if they don't stand). The Remainers who weren't students in the mid 2010s will go LibDem, those who were will opt for the Greens. All the Habituals will vote Labour as their parents and grandparents always did. Can't see that many switching directly to the "hated" Tories, maybe a few who have already been backing Farage for an election or two. | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 08:29 - Sep 6 with 7548 views | Herbivore |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:49 - Sep 6 by BloomBlue | So let me get this straight, did she say even if Labour agree a withdrawal agreement before a GE, if they win that GE they will go and renegotiate that withdrawal agreement? |
How would the opposition agree a withdrawal agreement? | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 08:30 - Sep 6 with 7548 views | hampstead_blue | Labour have no clue. They have been offered an election and then back away putting up multiple 'only when.....' answers. She was hapless. In fact I think they are all hapless right now. Should have voted for Hunt. More calm and measured than the current muppets. | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 08:31 - Sep 6 with 7543 views | Herbivore |
omg emily thornberry just said on 08:27 - Sep 6 by Guthrum | Which is why I think the LibDems will be the big gainers from this. Most people can see through what Labour are doing. The angrier Leavers will vote Farage Party (or not vote at all if they don't stand). The Remainers who weren't students in the mid 2010s will go LibDem, those who were will opt for the Greens. All the Habituals will vote Labour as their parents and grandparents always did. Can't see that many switching directly to the "hated" Tories, maybe a few who have already been backing Farage for an election or two. |
I think we'll see a lot of tactical voting. I'm not a Labour supporter but they have the best chance of ousting our current Tory MP so I will vote Labour. I think people will only defect to the Lib Dems if it's unlikely to usher in a Tory MP in their constituency. More than ever I think this will be an anyone but the Tories election. | |
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omg emily thornberry just said on 08:32 - Sep 6 with 7541 views | Guthrum |
omg emily thornberry just said on 07:37 - Sep 6 by Herbivore | I'm sure the EU have also previously said that they would be open to the idea of a customs union, which has been what Labour have been pushing for. They've also recently said they would happily listen to proposals regarding the backstop, so I don't think it's entirely clearcut that there's no further wiggle room. |
Also, an acceptance of a customs union removes much of the Irish border problem. It also makes it largely pointless leaving the EU at all, but that's another issue. | |
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