| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial 12:53 - Aug 1 with 3067 views | BrixtonBlue |
"he shared a stage with someone", "he liked a mural but didn't realise it was racist", "he fails to act quickly enough re antisemitism in Labour" ...whereas on the other side, Boris LITERALLY HAS SAID RACIST THINGS. There's video evidence of him ACTUALLY SAYING THEM. And yet there is FAR FAR more condemnation of Corbyn on TWTD than there is Boris re racism.
Is it just me that finds that odd? |  |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 12:56 - Aug 1 with 1481 views | StokieBlue |
Perhaps because nobody is going to argue against anyone saying the Boris says racist stuff, whereas there are plenty of people who argue vehemently on behalf of JC.
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 12:59 - Aug 1 with 1464 views | BrixtonBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 12:56 - Aug 1 by StokieBlue |
Perhaps because nobody is going to argue against anyone saying the Boris says racist stuff, whereas there are plenty of people who argue vehemently on behalf of JC.
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Well not just on behalf, on both sides - because the evidence isn't cut and dried.
So yeah, fair point. | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:00 - Aug 1 with 1460 views | WD19 |
I suspect it is.
As Stokie says, there are not many pathetic apologists arguing the case for Boris. |  | | |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:12 - Aug 1 with 1434 views | J2BLUE |
"he liked a mural but didn't realise it was racist"
He did realise though. It's extremely obvious. |  |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:13 - Aug 1 with 1427 views | itfcjoe |
Because no one is willing to tie themselves in knots and defend Boris like they are Corbyn |  |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:24 - Aug 1 with 1404 views | lowhouseblue |
because the 'unluckiest anti-racist in history' line has worn rather thin? |  |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:31 - Aug 1 with 1384 views | noggin |
I still haven’t seen a shred of evidence that Corbyn is a racist, quite the contrary in fact. Yet here we are again with people convinced he is. |  |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:32 - Aug 1 with 1378 views | BrixtonBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:12 - Aug 1 by J2BLUE |
"he liked a mural but didn't realise it was racist"
He did realise though. It's extremely obvious. |
I didn't realise. Corbyn says he didn't either, so how can you claim he did?
Also, who are you and why are you nicking J2's name? | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:33 - Aug 1 with 1370 views | BrixtonBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:31 - Aug 1 by noggin |
I still haven’t seen a shred of evidence that Corbyn is a racist, quite the contrary in fact. Yet here we are again with people convinced he is. |
It was actually you in the other thread that inspired this one. So everyone - blame noggin! | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:34 - Aug 1 with 1360 views | BrixtonBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:24 - Aug 1 by lowhouseblue |
because the 'unluckiest anti-racist in history' line has worn rather thin? |
You could make anyone look like a racist if you tried hard enough. | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:00 - Aug 1 with 1319 views | Darth_Koont |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 13:12 - Aug 1 by J2BLUE |
"he liked a mural but didn't realise it was racist"
He did realise though. It's extremely obvious. |
It's not obviously racist though is it? There's nothing antisemitic about complaining about bankers or industrialists if that's what you see and the artist himself said he was portraying. Last I checked Rockefeller and Morgan aren't Jewish. It's antisemitic, of course, to single out Jews. But with a collection of US financiers and robber barons here that's not happened.
I accept that it shares aspects of tropes which is an issue so I can understand why some were offended but there was no unilateral condemnation at the time for something that was "obviously racist".
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-london-19844681/kalen-ockerman-mural-to-b
Maybe because it echoes pieces like this:
As a blanket term or description there's nothing antisemitic in talking about bankers and industrialists ... unless the people who are complaining think that bankers and industrialists are inherently and most commonly Jewish.
That's the cruel irony of the people who say they are most concerned about antisemitism. We can even see the same thing here with "The enemy within" picture which highlights the most vocal critic but clearly shows non-Jews too. But people call it antisemitic because there's a trope they themselves want to apply.
That's insane. Although this is the type of position people get into when they manufacture outrage for narrow, political ends. |  |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:08 - Aug 1 with 1298 views | StokieBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:00 - Aug 1 by Darth_Koont |
It's not obviously racist though is it? There's nothing antisemitic about complaining about bankers or industrialists if that's what you see and the artist himself said he was portraying. Last I checked Rockefeller and Morgan aren't Jewish. It's antisemitic, of course, to single out Jews. But with a collection of US financiers and robber barons here that's not happened.
I accept that it shares aspects of tropes which is an issue so I can understand why some were offended but there was no unilateral condemnation at the time for something that was "obviously racist".
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-london-19844681/kalen-ockerman-mural-to-b
Maybe because it echoes pieces like this:
As a blanket term or description there's nothing antisemitic in talking about bankers and industrialists ... unless the people who are complaining think that bankers and industrialists are inherently and most commonly Jewish.
That's the cruel irony of the people who say they are most concerned about antisemitism. We can even see the same thing here with "The enemy within" picture which highlights the most vocal critic but clearly shows non-Jews too. But people call it antisemitic because there's a trope they themselves want to apply.
That's insane. Although this is the type of position people get into when they manufacture outrage for narrow, political ends. |
So you honestly don't think the portrayal of the bankers and industrialists was clearly inspired by stereotypical physical attributes of Jewish men?
What about the one on the left who looks incredibly similar to the stereotypical rabbi?
Coincidence?
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:14 - Aug 1 with 1279 views | noggin |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:08 - Aug 1 by StokieBlue |
So you honestly don't think the portrayal of the bankers and industrialists was clearly inspired by stereotypical physical attributes of Jewish men?
What about the one on the left who looks incredibly similar to the stereotypical rabbi?
Coincidence?
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What does a stereotypical jew look like? | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:15 - Aug 1 with 1272 views | SpruceMoose |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:08 - Aug 1 by StokieBlue |
So you honestly don't think the portrayal of the bankers and industrialists was clearly inspired by stereotypical physical attributes of Jewish men?
What about the one on the left who looks incredibly similar to the stereotypical rabbi?
Coincidence?
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He looks like one of the Three Musketeers to me... |  |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:17 - Aug 1 with 1262 views | StokieBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:14 - Aug 1 by noggin |
What does a stereotypical jew look like? |
I think you know exactly what is meant by my post, you're just trying to obfuscate the issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Jews
"The idea of the large[6] or aquiline[7] "Jewish nose" remains one of the most prevalent and defining features to characterize someone as a Jew."
Just look at the mural.
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:17 - Aug 1 with 1258 views | BrixtonBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:08 - Aug 1 by StokieBlue |
So you honestly don't think the portrayal of the bankers and industrialists was clearly inspired by stereotypical physical attributes of Jewish men?
What about the one on the left who looks incredibly similar to the stereotypical rabbi?
Coincidence?
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I can't see any that look like a rabbi. Who do you mean? The guy on the left is wearing a green jacket. I'm not aware that's a rabbi's stereotypical clothing. [Post edited 1 Aug 2019 14:19]
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:18 - Aug 1 with 1256 views | itfcjoe |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:14 - Aug 1 by noggin |
What does a stereotypical jew look like? |
WHy don't you have a look back at Nazi propaganda from the 30s? Big hook noses, dark eyes and portraying greed | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:19 - Aug 1 with 1243 views | StokieBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:17 - Aug 1 by BrixtonBlue |
I can't see any that look like a rabbi. Who do you mean? The guy on the left is wearing a green jacket. I'm not aware that's a rabbi's stereotypical clothing. [Post edited 1 Aug 2019 14:19]
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The one on the left with the huge beard? It's not as obvious as the others though so happy to disregard this one as a stretch.
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:19 - Aug 1 with 1243 views | GeoffSentence |
It's because JC is a beardy. No-one trusts a beardy. |  |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:21 - Aug 1 with 1228 views | StokieBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:15 - Aug 1 by SpruceMoose |
He looks like one of the Three Musketeers to me... |
I think we are talking about a different mural - DK's one is an attempt to say it's a common image but if you look at his it's nothing like the one in question which I believe is this:
If that isn't the mural referred to previous to DK post then disregard my posts.
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:21 - Aug 1 with 1227 views | BrixtonBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:18 - Aug 1 by itfcjoe |
WHy don't you have a look back at Nazi propaganda from the 30s? Big hook noses, dark eyes and portraying greed |
Where's the big hook noses in this image? the guy on the right has a tiny nose, the middle one has a pointy nose, and the guy on the left has a Roman nose, to my eyes. | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:22 - Aug 1 with 1220 views | StokieBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:17 - Aug 1 by BrixtonBlue |
I can't see any that look like a rabbi. Who do you mean? The guy on the left is wearing a green jacket. I'm not aware that's a rabbi's stereotypical clothing. [Post edited 1 Aug 2019 14:19]
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You need to go back and read the thread.
That isn't the mural, that's DK giving an example of imagery he thinks is similar. J2 was referring to a different image which I've now posted to clear things up.
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:22 - Aug 1 with 1218 views | SpruceMoose |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:21 - Aug 1 by StokieBlue |
I think we are talking about a different mural - DK's one is an attempt to say it's a common image but if you look at his it's nothing like the one in question which I believe is this:
If that isn't the mural referred to previous to DK post then disregard my posts.
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Pardon me, I thought you were talking about the Puck cartoon posted in this thread. My mistake. | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:22 - Aug 1 with 1216 views | BrixtonBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:19 - Aug 1 by StokieBlue |
The one on the left with the huge beard? It's not as obvious as the others though so happy to disregard this one as a stretch.
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The middle chap? Looks nothing like a rabbi to me.
Sounds like you're struggling to convince yourself! | |
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| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:23 - Aug 1 with 1212 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What I don't understand, Corbyn's racism is all circumstantial on 14:08 - Aug 1 by StokieBlue |
So you honestly don't think the portrayal of the bankers and industrialists was clearly inspired by stereotypical physical attributes of Jewish men?
What about the one on the left who looks incredibly similar to the stereotypical rabbi?
Coincidence?
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From the artist himself
“Some of the older white Jewish folk in the local community had an issue with me portraying their beloved #Rothschild or #Warburg etc as the demons they are,”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/antisemitism-open-your-eye |  |
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