| Iran just launched an attack on Israel 21:23 - Apr 13 with 5123 views | ElderGrizzly |
Of course WW3 would happen just as we are about to get promoted
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:39 - Apr 13 with 3209 views | baxterbasics |
Probably not WW3 but might be a good idea to fill up your fuel tank and a few jerry cans too. |  |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:44 - Apr 13 with 3185 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:39 - Apr 13 by baxterbasics |
Probably not WW3 but might be a good idea to fill up your fuel tank and a few jerry cans too. |
Its not surprising, having had an attack on their people in a consulate, that they feel obliged to hit back. Israel is either trying to escalate, or to force the US into a corner backing them, by provoking Iran.
Playing games with people's lives, and world peace. |  | | |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:48 - Apr 13 with 3154 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:39 - Apr 13 by baxterbasics |
Probably not WW3 but might be a good idea to fill up your fuel tank and a few jerry cans too. |
Itâs a weird attack.
Iran have told Israel they are coming and given an ETA of a âfew hoursâ.
Given Israelâs shield, youâd expect everything to be shot out the sky fairly easily [Post edited 13 Apr 21:48]
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:49 - Apr 13 with 3122 views | pointofblue |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:48 - Apr 13 by ElderGrizzly |
Itâs a weird attack.
Iran have told Israel they are coming and given an ETA of a âfew hoursâ.
Given Israelâs shield, youâd expect everything to be shot out the sky fairly easily [Post edited 13 Apr 21:48]
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Almost feels like it's agreed between the two of them, so Iran is seen as reacting to the previous attack but it doesn't escalate things further. | |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 22:01 - Apr 13 with 3007 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:44 - Apr 13 by redrickstuhaart |
Its not surprising, having had an attack on their people in a consulate, that they feel obliged to hit back. Israel is either trying to escalate, or to force the US into a corner backing them, by provoking Iran.
Playing games with people's lives, and world peace. |
Here comes our resident Iran/Iran proxy apologist. |  |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 22:12 - Apr 13 with 2963 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:44 - Apr 13 by redrickstuhaart |
Its not surprising, having had an attack on their people in a consulate, that they feel obliged to hit back. Israel is either trying to escalate, or to force the US into a corner backing them, by provoking Iran.
Playing games with people's lives, and world peace. |
âprovoking Iranâ
You are joking right- theyâve already attacked Iraq, Pakistan, killed US troops, and international shipping in the last few weeks alone. They likely provided the weapons (and possibly training and intelligence) for the Oct massacre in Israel. It was only a matter of time before they got a bl00dy nose. | | | |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 22:39 - Apr 13 with 2860 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 22:12 - Apr 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
âprovoking Iranâ
You are joking right- theyâve already attacked Iraq, Pakistan, killed US troops, and international shipping in the last few weeks alone. They likely provided the weapons (and possibly training and intelligence) for the Oct massacre in Israel. It was only a matter of time before they got a bl00dy nose. |
Iran are a rogue state and widely recognised as such. They behave disgracefully.
If you launch missiles at an embassy or consulate, in another nation, that is a big deal. The hypocrisy plays so badly in the rest of the world. Not just the Russians and Chinese, but nations which could and should be allied to us- South Africa, Brazil, India etc. | | | |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:01 - Apr 13 with 2739 views | J2BLUE |
Ballistic missiles. F##k. |  |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:03 - Apr 13 with 2713 views | pointofblue |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 21:48 - Apr 13 by ElderGrizzly |
Itâs a weird attack.
Iran have told Israel they are coming and given an ETA of a âfew hoursâ.
Given Israelâs shield, youâd expect everything to be shot out the sky fairly easily [Post edited 13 Apr 21:48]
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The Guardian reckons cruise missiles may be fired afterwards, as they travel faster, in an attempt to overwhelm the dome.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/13/iran-launches-drone-attack-ag
"Initial reports indicated that Iran had launched multiple drones aimed at Israel, backed up by night-time videos from Iran of appearing to show noisy Shahed drones presumably flying west.
The slow moving Shaheds flies at a speed of 110 miles per hour, would take six hours to fly from Iran, and are relatively easy to intercept, as Ukraine has demonstrated with a less effective air defence system.
On March 23, Ukraineâs air force said it had shot down 31 out of 34 attacking, for example - meaning that an attack by a few dozen drones, whilst dramatic, would not in itself demonstrate military seriousness by Tehran.
A more dangerous assault would involve a combination of manoeuvrable cruise missiles and high speed ballistic missiles.
At the time of writing, there were emerging reports that cruise missiles had been fired after the drones. A cruise missile might take two hours to reach Israel, but a high ballistic missile could take as little as 15 minutes. These would be launched after the drones in an attempt to arrive at similar times and perhaps in waves in an effort to overwhelm Israelâs air defences.
A week ago, Iranâs ISNA news agency published a graphic on Sunday that listed nine different types of missiles it claimed can hit Israel, at the closest point less than 600 miles from Iran itself.
These included the Sejil ballistic missile, said to be capable of flying at more than 10,500 miles per hour or the Kheibar with an estimated range of over 1,200 miles and the Paveh cruise missile, with a claimed range of 1,000 miles, first publicly demonstrated a year ago.
Faster speeds and shorter flight times make them harder to shoot down than drones, although also relevant are the numbers fired and the overall sophistication of the attack." | |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:11 - Apr 13 with 2647 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:03 - Apr 13 by pointofblue |
The Guardian reckons cruise missiles may be fired afterwards, as they travel faster, in an attempt to overwhelm the dome.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/13/iran-launches-drone-attack-ag
"Initial reports indicated that Iran had launched multiple drones aimed at Israel, backed up by night-time videos from Iran of appearing to show noisy Shahed drones presumably flying west.
The slow moving Shaheds flies at a speed of 110 miles per hour, would take six hours to fly from Iran, and are relatively easy to intercept, as Ukraine has demonstrated with a less effective air defence system.
On March 23, Ukraineâs air force said it had shot down 31 out of 34 attacking, for example - meaning that an attack by a few dozen drones, whilst dramatic, would not in itself demonstrate military seriousness by Tehran.
A more dangerous assault would involve a combination of manoeuvrable cruise missiles and high speed ballistic missiles.
At the time of writing, there were emerging reports that cruise missiles had been fired after the drones. A cruise missile might take two hours to reach Israel, but a high ballistic missile could take as little as 15 minutes. These would be launched after the drones in an attempt to arrive at similar times and perhaps in waves in an effort to overwhelm Israelâs air defences.
A week ago, Iranâs ISNA news agency published a graphic on Sunday that listed nine different types of missiles it claimed can hit Israel, at the closest point less than 600 miles from Iran itself.
These included the Sejil ballistic missile, said to be capable of flying at more than 10,500 miles per hour or the Kheibar with an estimated range of over 1,200 miles and the Paveh cruise missile, with a claimed range of 1,000 miles, first publicly demonstrated a year ago.
Faster speeds and shorter flight times make them harder to shoot down than drones, although also relevant are the numbers fired and the overall sophistication of the attack." |
According to an expert I follow:
It will take the drones about 9 hours to reach Israel. They are dealt with through Patriot (50% kill rate) and Sling of David (90% rate).
It takes cruise missiles 2 hours to reach Israel. They are countered by through Sling of David (90-95% kill rate) and Iron Dome (80-90% kill rate).
There are reports of ballistic missiles. However, they have no been confirmed. They take 1) 12 minutes to arrive. Arrow 3 is set up against it, which the IDF claims has a kill ratio of 99%.
But as your article states, by saturating the system some will get through. [Post edited 13 Apr 23:12]
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:20 - Apr 13 with 2572 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 22:01 - Apr 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Here comes our resident Iran/Iran proxy apologist. |
Spoken like an apologist for a right wing terrorist enabling Israeli state!  |  |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:32 - Apr 13 with 2498 views | mutters |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 22:01 - Apr 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Here comes our resident Iran/Iran proxy apologist. |
As someone who is after a genuine conversation, what should Iran do if somebody attacks their embassy/consulate and kills 7 of their citizens?
I appreciate that Iran is viewed as a rouge state, but do you really think Israels response to the Hamas attack as appropriate?
I am curious why Israel seems to be allowed a long leash to basically try and destroy Gaza but when somebody goes against them people get all jumpy.
Israel from what I can see and understand has basically gone over the top with their response, displacing so many people and caused untold suffering to millions of innocent people.
Here to try to understand more as even though I studied the middle east conflict at GCSE (30+ years ago) I find the current approach by our world leaders baffling |  |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:41 - Apr 13 with 2440 views | pointofblue |
The Iran's representation to the UN has said that, after this attack, the matter will be 'concluded', as long as Israel doesn't make another 'mistake'. | |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:55 - Apr 13 with 2365 views | WeWereZombies |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:41 - Apr 13 by pointofblue |
The Iran's representation to the UN has said that, after this attack, the matter will be 'concluded', as long as Israel doesn't make another 'mistake'. |
Was just about to post this from Al-Jazeera twenty minutes or so ago:
'Iranâs mission to the UN says on X that its drone and missile attack on Israel was conducted âon the strength of Article 51 of the UN Charter pertaining to legitimate defenseâ and in response to Israelâs April 1 attack on its embassy in Damascus, Syria.
With the attack, âThe matter can be deemed concluded,â says Iran.
âHowever, should the Israeli regime make another mistake, Iranâs response will be considerably more severe. It is a conflict between Iran and the rogue Israeli regime, from which the U.S. MUST STAY AWAY,â it added.'
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/13/israels-war-on-gaza-live-5-dea
Tit for tat or what ? |  |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 00:13 - Apr 14 with 2293 views | Bigalhunter |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:32 - Apr 13 by mutters |
As someone who is after a genuine conversation, what should Iran do if somebody attacks their embassy/consulate and kills 7 of their citizens?
I appreciate that Iran is viewed as a rouge state, but do you really think Israels response to the Hamas attack as appropriate?
I am curious why Israel seems to be allowed a long leash to basically try and destroy Gaza but when somebody goes against them people get all jumpy.
Israel from what I can see and understand has basically gone over the top with their response, displacing so many people and caused untold suffering to millions of innocent people.
Here to try to understand more as even though I studied the middle east conflict at GCSE (30+ years ago) I find the current approach by our world leaders baffling |
Israel has somehow curated a portfolio of allies that dangerously emboldens their democratically elected right wing government.
These allies are now strangely petrified of challenging them, as they continue to commit mass genocide in plain sight.
If it sounds horribly familiar, thatâs because it is.. [Post edited 14 Apr 0:35]
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 00:32 - Apr 14 with 2203 views | WeWereZombies |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:03 - Apr 13 by pointofblue |
The Guardian reckons cruise missiles may be fired afterwards, as they travel faster, in an attempt to overwhelm the dome.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/13/iran-launches-drone-attack-ag
"Initial reports indicated that Iran had launched multiple drones aimed at Israel, backed up by night-time videos from Iran of appearing to show noisy Shahed drones presumably flying west.
The slow moving Shaheds flies at a speed of 110 miles per hour, would take six hours to fly from Iran, and are relatively easy to intercept, as Ukraine has demonstrated with a less effective air defence system.
On March 23, Ukraineâs air force said it had shot down 31 out of 34 attacking, for example - meaning that an attack by a few dozen drones, whilst dramatic, would not in itself demonstrate military seriousness by Tehran.
A more dangerous assault would involve a combination of manoeuvrable cruise missiles and high speed ballistic missiles.
At the time of writing, there were emerging reports that cruise missiles had been fired after the drones. A cruise missile might take two hours to reach Israel, but a high ballistic missile could take as little as 15 minutes. These would be launched after the drones in an attempt to arrive at similar times and perhaps in waves in an effort to overwhelm Israelâs air defences.
A week ago, Iranâs ISNA news agency published a graphic on Sunday that listed nine different types of missiles it claimed can hit Israel, at the closest point less than 600 miles from Iran itself.
These included the Sejil ballistic missile, said to be capable of flying at more than 10,500 miles per hour or the Kheibar with an estimated range of over 1,200 miles and the Paveh cruise missile, with a claimed range of 1,000 miles, first publicly demonstrated a year ago.
Faster speeds and shorter flight times make them harder to shoot down than drones, although also relevant are the numbers fired and the overall sophistication of the attack." |
'The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, citing the Israeli military, reports that the ballistic missile barrage launched from Iran has now concluded and that drones and cruise missiles are now expected.'
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/13/israels-war-on-gaza-live-5-dea around 00:30 BST | |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 00:51 - Apr 14 with 2161 views | Reus30 |
Appreciate this is probably an incredibly dumb question but what is with the continued escalation?
I mean the choice of language used by allies of Israel continues to be concerning, the continued escalation and tit for tat violence (I don't mean to trivialise it but it seems retaliation on a constant basis) and now the fact the a large contingent of the middle east will now rapidly become involved in this to the point where a world war is looking more likely than ever.
Where is the person or the organisation to ease these tensions and apply some common sense? Innocent people getting caught up for what purpose! World has gone feral. |  | | |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 00:56 - Apr 14 with 2148 views | mutters |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 00:13 - Apr 14 by Bigalhunter |
Israel has somehow curated a portfolio of allies that dangerously emboldens their democratically elected right wing government.
These allies are now strangely petrified of challenging them, as they continue to commit mass genocide in plain sight.
If it sounds horribly familiar, thatâs because it is.. [Post edited 14 Apr 0:35]
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Thanks for replying.
It is absolutely horrifying, both the initial Hamas attacks and the ongoing Israeli operation in Gaza. Whilst I understand that every sovereign country has a right to defend themselves, I am at a loss why Israel is allowed to continue. Why does the western governments continually support them when it is clear that human rights are being violated. To challenge it and you appear to be deemed anti sememtic.
I wonder whether it's a sins of our father scenario, the Jewish people have had such incredible suffering over the last century that the western government feel obliged to support them no matter what. I understand that Israel was created from British Palestine and so maybe there is a feeling of culpability from the British Government on this matter.
It just shows imo it doesn't really matter what is right or wrong it's just who your mates are. Israel has been stealing land for decades, going beyond their borders and settling up illegal villages but nobody questions it. Then when people fight back they get all defensive and start to blame it on terrorist organisations.
Again this maybe my misunderstanding or simplistic view on the matter but if they had stayed in their own lane, a lot of this conflict could have been avoided? The Israelis don't deserve to be attacked by terrorist but it hard to see how they've not poked the bear.
Is part of the issue because Palestine is not a recognised sovereign entity? [Post edited 14 Apr 0:58]
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 08:28 - Apr 14 with 1766 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 23:32 - Apr 13 by mutters |
As someone who is after a genuine conversation, what should Iran do if somebody attacks their embassy/consulate and kills 7 of their citizens?
I appreciate that Iran is viewed as a rouge state, but do you really think Israels response to the Hamas attack as appropriate?
I am curious why Israel seems to be allowed a long leash to basically try and destroy Gaza but when somebody goes against them people get all jumpy.
Israel from what I can see and understand has basically gone over the top with their response, displacing so many people and caused untold suffering to millions of innocent people.
Here to try to understand more as even though I studied the middle east conflict at GCSE (30+ years ago) I find the current approach by our world leaders baffling |
The attack in Damascus was not on the Iranian embassy itself but an annex building adjacent to the embassy which was the Syrian headquarters of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, an Iranian military military wing that has been designated as a terrorist organisation by by Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Sweden and the United States.
The New York Times reported that an anonymous source from the Revolutionary Guards said that the strike targeted a meeting between Iranian intelligence officials and Palestinian terrorists, including leaders of Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah, both Islamic terrorist organisations who have been responsible for decades of terrorist attacks against Israel.
You may remember that it was Palestinian Islamic Jihad who launched the missile that hit the al-Ahli Baptist Hospital, which some posters on here were over eager to swallow the Hamas propaganda that Israel had struck the hospital, killing 500 people, and even after Israel was exonerated continued to leave his post up. Another poster was banned for saying that the truth didnât latter. But I digress.
Those killed were not innocent Iranian citizens but senior figures in the IRGC, including Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, a senior commander in the IRGC's foreign operations unit who was responsible for liaising with Islamic terrorist group Hezbollah, and his deputy General Mohammad Hadi Hajriahim. Five other IRGC officers were killed in the airstrike, as were five Iranian-affiliated militiamen, one Hezbollah terrorist, one Iranian military advisor, and sadly two civilians of whom I havenât read any details on. Zahedi was the most senior IRGC officer to be killed since the assassination of Qasem Soleimani by the U.S. in January 2020, and was somebody who was responsible for funding and assisting some of the worst terrorist atrocities seen in the Middle East.
It is correct to say that diplomatic premises are considered "civilian objects" under international law, and they are not permissible as targets unless they are used for a military purpose. Be in no doubt, the Israeli airstrike was aimed at military figures in a military facility and the targets were directly involved in orchestrating attacks on Israel. The fact that the building was adjacent to the Iranian embassy does not change its military character.
Iran has been orchestrating a constant assault on Israel for decades via its proxies in the region including Hezbollah, which is wholly funded, armed, and controlled by the Iranian regime. Since October 7 Hezbollah has fired rockets and missiles into northern Israel on a near-daily basis leading to tens of thousands of Israelis having being displaced from their homes. We donât read much about that. The Houthis, another Iranian proxy group based in Yemen, have also fired numerous missiles at southern Israel. Asda SuperKeiranMcKenna has pointed out in other threads, the a Houthiâs are responsible for firing missiles that have killed civilian shipping crew and forced thousands of Yemeni children into starvation. And finally Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been funded, armed, and trained by Iran for years and carried out the brutal murders, rapes, decapitation and mutilation of over 1000 innocent Israeli civilians on October 7th of last year. There has not been a single day in the past six months in which Iran, via its various proxies in the region, has not attacked Israel.
The airstrike in Damascus targeted individuals directly responsible for Iran's ongoing assault on Israel. It was not an attack on a diplomatic embassy or mission. It was the command center of an active terrorist group, planning and executing immediate attacks against a neighbouring state. and was entirely justified. That anyone could give any excuse of justification to Iran beggars belief.
Edit. You say you come into this debate as somebody who is after a genuine conversation. In that case, seeing as I took the time and trouble to reply to your post, perhaps you would do me the courtesy of replying to this question I posed to you on January 14, which remains unanswered:
100 days since 7/10 by GlasgowBlue 15 Jan 16:53What an odd post. Where have I said that anyone disagreeing with me is antisemitic? The only time I have ever accused anyone n here of being antisemitic is when they have actually posted something antisemitic.
Being appalled at Israel's "indiscriminate and disproportionate" doesn't make somebody antisemitic. I've never seem a single person on here being accused of being antisemitic for putting that point f view over. It's a view I've poste myself several times. Even on this thread.
Why did you even bring the subject of antisemitism into the thread? Please link a single thread where somebody has been accused of being antisemitic for simply disagreeing with my point of view. Either put up or shut up.
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 08:32 - Apr 14 with 1743 views | NthQldITFC |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 00:56 - Apr 14 by mutters |
Thanks for replying.
It is absolutely horrifying, both the initial Hamas attacks and the ongoing Israeli operation in Gaza. Whilst I understand that every sovereign country has a right to defend themselves, I am at a loss why Israel is allowed to continue. Why does the western governments continually support them when it is clear that human rights are being violated. To challenge it and you appear to be deemed anti sememtic.
I wonder whether it's a sins of our father scenario, the Jewish people have had such incredible suffering over the last century that the western government feel obliged to support them no matter what. I understand that Israel was created from British Palestine and so maybe there is a feeling of culpability from the British Government on this matter.
It just shows imo it doesn't really matter what is right or wrong it's just who your mates are. Israel has been stealing land for decades, going beyond their borders and settling up illegal villages but nobody questions it. Then when people fight back they get all defensive and start to blame it on terrorist organisations.
Again this maybe my misunderstanding or simplistic view on the matter but if they had stayed in their own lane, a lot of this conflict could have been avoided? The Israelis don't deserve to be attacked by terrorist but it hard to see how they've not poked the bear.
Is part of the issue because Palestine is not a recognised sovereign entity? [Post edited 14 Apr 0:58]
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'It just shows imo it doesn't really matter what is right or wrong it's just who your mates are. '
That's the truth of it, isn't it, and that's the truth when it comes to pretty much everything in human endeavours and interactions. We're just not honest enough and we're incapable of selfless existence on a meaningful scale.
It applies from the highest level to the lowest and it applies to things like business matters and family matters. It's partly ridiculously corrupted religions, but it's more about individualistic greed and ego or face-saving.
And it's all so bloody, blindingly obvious even to kids (who are probably just as-yet-uncorrupted versions of the 'adult' of the species). We're destroying ourselves and our planet because the selfish and suicidal part of us overwhelms the part which should be saying "OK, let's compromise and come up with something which works for us all", or "I don't need any more, you can have it and if no-one needs any more we'll leave it in the ground where it will do no harm". |  |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 08:37 - Apr 14 with 1716 views | WeWereZombies |
One of the many troubling aspects of this latest twists in the Gaza (and further afield) conflict is that Jordan may be destabilised (there was an item on Al-Jazeera's live feed last night about an Iranian threat towards Jordan for the use of airspace etc. but I cannot find it now.) The most balanced response I have seen so far comes from that rare beast, a sensible Tory:
'Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood, who chaired the Commons Defence Select Committee until his resignation over comments made about Taliban-rule in Afghanistan, told BBC Breakfast: "When it comes to a state-on-state attack, it's very clear that Britain will stand with Israel to defend its skies and soil."
But he said allies would be encouraging Israel "to take stock, to think carefully before responding otherwise this could tie the Middle East up into a wider regional war that would invariably include Israel's ally the United States".'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68810774 | |
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| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 08:38 - Apr 14 with 1710 views | ArmaghBlue |
They are reporting that 99% of the drones and missiles were intercepted over night. Which is good news. |  | | |
| Iran just launched an attack on Israel on 09:02 - Apr 14 with 1613 views | MJallday |
Missiles that take a few hours?
Are they being delivered by Evri? |  |
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