| Williams loan to buy agreement? 08:17 - Oct 8 with 5030 views | Dilithium85 |
Am I misremembering, but I thought the Williams loan had a clause that we could buy him at the end of the season, am I wrong?
I keep seeing posts that he's just a loan. Please correct r confirm my thinking |  | | |  |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:20 - Oct 8 with 4489 views | tonybied |
I don't think there is any agreement. I believe his United contact is up at the end of the season but they have an option on it. |  | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:22 - Oct 8 with 4450 views | GavTWTD |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:20 - Oct 8 by tonybied |
I don't think there is any agreement. I believe his United contact is up at the end of the season but they have an option on it. |
Correct. I thought it was more optimistic than that.
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:26 - Oct 8 with 4406 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
If we remain in the Championship, I think it will be difficult for us to sign Williams.
Assuming he continues to perform well, Man Utd will probably take up their 1 year contract extension and sell him (to a PL or parachute club). | | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:27 - Oct 8 with 4389 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:20 - Oct 8 by tonybied |
I don't think there is any agreement. I believe his United contact is up at the end of the season but they have an option on it. |
That's also my recollection. Question is whether they would give him another year. If they do so as a way of trying to get a fee out of us, there's a danger that we walk away and they are left with a player for a year who probably isn't going to make their bench. Rumours were BW is on ~£40k a week, so they would have to honour that, and the deal to sell to us then starts to look very expensive - I doubt we will be paying anyone £40k a week even if we get promoted. So in my book, they just allow his contract to run out, and we get him on a free. |  |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:29 - Oct 8 with 4363 views | tonybied |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:22 - Oct 8 by GavTWTD |
Correct. I thought it was more optimistic than that.
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Although as it's only an option for one extra season it'll most likely be exercised just to get a fee for him. Let's hope this positive start carries on and we're in the position to buy him for our first session back in the Premier League next year! | | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:35 - Oct 8 with 4306 views | franz_tyson |
The lad's on 60k a week. We're not in a position to pay that unless we get promoted. And, if we do.... maybe that's too much and out of our league.
If he plays well every week, then he will not only alert his parent club but other PL clubs that could match or better that 60k a week.
Maybe Kieron signs him..... but Kieron's next club. So many things can change in the next year.
Can't we just enjoy this and hope he helps us out of the league. If him and Hutchinson are that good..... we can't afford them. That's where we are at the,moment. But if they're that good they could help push us up to the next level. It's still a massive improvement on the previous loanees we had. | | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:42 - Oct 8 with 4221 views | BloomBlue |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:27 - Oct 8 by LegendofthePhoenix |
That's also my recollection. Question is whether they would give him another year. If they do so as a way of trying to get a fee out of us, there's a danger that we walk away and they are left with a player for a year who probably isn't going to make their bench. Rumours were BW is on ~£40k a week, so they would have to honour that, and the deal to sell to us then starts to look very expensive - I doubt we will be paying anyone £40k a week even if we get promoted. So in my book, they just allow his contract to run out, and we get him on a free. |
But would he join us if we don't offer him at least £40k a week (and I bet he's on a lot more than 40k) even if he was on a free? |  | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:46 - Oct 8 with 4187 views | GavTWTD |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:29 - Oct 8 by tonybied |
Although as it's only an option for one extra season it'll most likely be exercised just to get a fee for him. Let's hope this positive start carries on and we're in the position to buy him for our first session back in the Premier League next year! |
If he's on 60k a week as is rumoured, that's over 3m a year to gamble on a club paying more than that to sign him. Brandon is also likely to want to see that out so unlikely to join in January. I think a deal in the summer is most likely and would depend where we are and what other options he has. | |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 09:01 - Oct 8 with 4049 views | HighgateBlue |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:46 - Oct 8 by GavTWTD |
If he's on 60k a week as is rumoured, that's over 3m a year to gamble on a club paying more than that to sign him. Brandon is also likely to want to see that out so unlikely to join in January. I think a deal in the summer is most likely and would depend where we are and what other options he has. |
Yes, and on this basis, if we go up you'd have to think we're in a decent position to win the race for him. He must know that he was at a crossroads, he's playing under a manager who has put him on the right road, he'd have a chance to play premier league football, and doubtless would get a premier league wage. Would he risk going somewhere with less togetherness, under a different coach, maybe not getting as many minutes just for a bigger contract? He knows how easy it is for a big contract to be a millstone and cause real stagnation if you're not playing. Anyway, if we're in that lucky position and we /don't/ get him, we'll have plenty of other options. |  | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 09:54 - Oct 8 with 3858 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 09:01 - Oct 8 by HighgateBlue |
Yes, and on this basis, if we go up you'd have to think we're in a decent position to win the race for him. He must know that he was at a crossroads, he's playing under a manager who has put him on the right road, he'd have a chance to play premier league football, and doubtless would get a premier league wage. Would he risk going somewhere with less togetherness, under a different coach, maybe not getting as many minutes just for a bigger contract? He knows how easy it is for a big contract to be a millstone and cause real stagnation if you're not playing. Anyway, if we're in that lucky position and we /don't/ get him, we'll have plenty of other options. |
Exactly this, we have Kieran McKenna, and players will know that there is a great spirit and togetherness, as well as absolutely top class coaching.
The "guaranteed" income in the PL is £100M, https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/23484427/premier-league-prize-money/#:~:text=Each
and the lions share (circa 65% IIRC) goes on player wages. Our current wage bill is about £11-£12M, so there is a lot more available if we make it. I couldn't see us paying anyone £65k a week, but who knows. Maybe basics will be in the 20k-£40k range, with bonuses etc. So with Mark Ashton running the business side, I reckon we can be confident he has got this all worked out. In the mean time, it's just one game at a time. | |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 09:55 - Oct 8 with 3850 views | PhilTWTD |
Was incorrectly reported that there was a buy option included in the deal. |  | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:37 - Oct 8 with 3724 views | Wickets |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:26 - Oct 8 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
If we remain in the Championship, I think it will be difficult for us to sign Williams.
Assuming he continues to perform well, Man Utd will probably take up their 1 year contract extension and sell him (to a PL or parachute club). |
Not sure you are right as he is on such a lump of money Man U might think twice about offering him a contract but if we keep in with a chance of promotion it will be interesting to see if we try to sign him permanently. |  | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:44 - Oct 8 with 3668 views | Lord_Lucan |
After his first two games some people wanted to drive him back to Manchester. |  |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:45 - Oct 8 with 3647 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:44 - Oct 8 by Lord_Lucan |
After his first two games some people wanted to drive him back to Manchester. |
Some people are idiots. |  |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:50 - Oct 8 with 3622 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:44 - Oct 8 by Lord_Lucan |
After his first two games some people wanted to drive him back to Manchester. |
Yeah this - those exact words. !
Fortunately we are run by people who know a thing or two about football, not the reactionary drivel some people post on here.
He had a clanger against Leeds and then the deflection against B Rovers, but McKenna knows what a player is. I think Clarke had a future here, but Williams is a material upgrade at this point. | | | |
| A handful also highly critical of Davis after his first coupla games on 10:53 - Oct 8 with 3600 views | Dyland |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:44 - Oct 8 by Lord_Lucan |
After his first two games some people wanted to drive him back to Manchester. |
And not criticism tempered with context, either, but stuff along the lines of 'looks pretty sh1te for the money'. Pretty tragic innit. |  |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 15:37 - Oct 8 with 3248 views | Dilithium85 |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 09:55 - Oct 8 by PhilTWTD |
Was incorrectly reported that there was a buy option included in the deal. |
Thanks for setting the record straight. But now I'm sad that's not an option | | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 19:39 - Oct 8 with 2900 views | bournemouthblue |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:29 - Oct 8 by tonybied |
Although as it's only an option for one extra season it'll most likely be exercised just to get a fee for him. Let's hope this positive start carries on and we're in the position to buy him for our first session back in the Premier League next year! |
Like they did with us on Lee Martin, I can see someone above suggesting we won't pay £40k a week in the Prem but I'd be surprised if we didn't stretch to that. I imagine that's fairly par nowadays? |  |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 19:58 - Oct 8 with 2813 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 19:39 - Oct 8 by bournemouthblue |
Like they did with us on Lee Martin, I can see someone above suggesting we won't pay £40k a week in the Prem but I'd be surprised if we didn't stretch to that. I imagine that's fairly par nowadays? |
It's actually reported that his wage is £65k a week! It's pretty hard to understand how footballer's minds work. We've hopefully gone for players with a good mentality, I'm sure they all want to make plenty of money, but would they pick being a fringe player who gets just a few fleeting appearances on £70k a week over playing every week, having 30,000 fans singing your name in a packed stadium in a team that is on the up and up, with a fantastic team spirit, great coaching and getting about two thirds of that? Maybe, but that's a question that doesn't need to be asked yet. | |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 20:15 - Oct 8 with 2742 views | ReusersTown |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 08:26 - Oct 8 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
If we remain in the Championship, I think it will be difficult for us to sign Williams.
Assuming he continues to perform well, Man Utd will probably take up their 1 year contract extension and sell him (to a PL or parachute club). |
Their 1 year option is at 60k a week reportedly, so I would doubt that gets taken up. | | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 20:20 - Oct 8 with 2722 views | Trequartista |
I've heard he is on huge wages at Man Utd, even taking into account that its Man Utd. [Post edited 8 Oct 2023 20:20]
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 20:21 - Oct 8 with 2709 views | PhilTWTD |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 15:37 - Oct 8 by Dilithium85 |
Thanks for setting the record straight. But now I'm sad that's not an option |
Sorry! | | | |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 20:24 - Oct 8 with 2688 views | bournemouthblue |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 19:58 - Oct 8 by LegendofthePhoenix |
It's actually reported that his wage is £65k a week! It's pretty hard to understand how footballer's minds work. We've hopefully gone for players with a good mentality, I'm sure they all want to make plenty of money, but would they pick being a fringe player who gets just a few fleeting appearances on £70k a week over playing every week, having 30,000 fans singing your name in a packed stadium in a team that is on the up and up, with a fantastic team spirit, great coaching and getting about two thirds of that? Maybe, but that's a question that doesn't need to be asked yet. |
£65k is a bit steeper, you could asorb that on a free almost as a transfer fee but less so if they Jack up his sale price following a new contract | |
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 09:57 - Oct 9 with 2160 views | IpswichRising |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:44 - Oct 8 by Lord_Lucan |
After his first two games some people wanted to drive him back to Manchester. |
Probably the same people who said that Davis was cr@p [Post edited 9 Oct 2023 10:34]
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| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:01 - Oct 9 with 2141 views | Ely_Blue |
| Williams loan to buy agreement? on 10:44 - Oct 8 by Lord_Lucan |
After his first two games some people wanted to drive him back to Manchester. |
I wonder how many people also said the same after Davis first game for us last season! |  |
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