| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 13:51 - Apr 8 with 1737 views | Herbivore |
The Home Office should be renamed the Ministry of Disinformation. |  |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 14:23 - Apr 8 with 1704 views | noggin |
Yeah but Corbyn.. |  |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 17:33 - Apr 8 with 1607 views | GiveusanI |
Not surprised in the least.... |  | | |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 18:36 - Apr 8 with 1553 views | factual_blue |
All the hallmarks of the officials fighting back against the succession of toxic ministers they get saddled with. |  |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:20 - Apr 9 with 1401 views | marcus1642 |
That's a fair shout. But these people are still entering the Country illegally and refugees should stay at the nearest point of safety and not trapse across Europe do get the best benefits. |  | | |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:30 - Apr 9 with 1389 views | Zx1988 |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:20 - Apr 9 by marcus1642 |
That's a fair shout. But these people are still entering the Country illegally and refugees should stay at the nearest point of safety and not trapse across Europe do get the best benefits. |
So answer me this...
Let's say the UK goes to absolute pot, and you find yourself as a refugee.
You happen to speak Hungarian as well as English, and have some contacts in Budapest.
You manage to make your way across the Channel, and get to France. Do you, following your own logic, refuse to travel any further because you're already in a 'safe' country?
(bearing in mind, of course, that there is actually no legislation whatsoever that demands that refugees seek asylum in the first/nearest 'safe' country.) [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 15:42]
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:52 - Apr 9 with 1345 views | marcus1642 |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:30 - Apr 9 by Zx1988 |
So answer me this...
Let's say the UK goes to absolute pot, and you find yourself as a refugee.
You happen to speak Hungarian as well as English, and have some contacts in Budapest.
You manage to make your way across the Channel, and get to France. Do you, following your own logic, refuse to travel any further because you're already in a 'safe' country?
(bearing in mind, of course, that there is actually no legislation whatsoever that demands that refugees seek asylum in the first/nearest 'safe' country.) [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 15:42]
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According to UN directives that's exactly what you are supposed to do. | | | |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 16:06 - Apr 9 with 1291 views | DJR |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:52 - Apr 9 by marcus1642 |
According to UN directives that's exactly what you are supposed to do. |
According to Full Fact, this is not true.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/
Full Fact is a charity which operates on a non-partisan basis. All major British political parties are represented on its board of directors |  | | |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 16:07 - Apr 9 with 1285 views | DJR |
You got there before me, Phil! [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 16:07]
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 16:13 - Apr 9 with 1257 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:20 - Apr 9 by marcus1642 |
That's a fair shout. But these people are still entering the Country illegally and refugees should stay at the nearest point of safety and not trapse across Europe do get the best benefits. |
None of that is true.
1. If they’re seeking asylum they’re not “illegal”. They’re only here illegally if their asylum application is refused and they then stay.
2. Refugees are not required to stop at the nearest point of safety, as per the 1951 Refugee Convention to which we are signatories (and played a major role in writing).
3. Truly illegal immigrants barely have access to any benefits, let alone the “best” ones, because you need legal residency to apply for most of them.
This topic has been rumbling on for years, so there’s no excuse for still believing and spreading such lies. |  |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 16:21 - Apr 9 with 1232 views | noggin |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:20 - Apr 9 by marcus1642 |
That's a fair shout. But these people are still entering the Country illegally and refugees should stay at the nearest point of safety and not trapse across Europe do get the best benefits. |
Best benefits? They get 30 odd quid a week. You honestly believe that they risk their lives crossing The Med, mainland Europe and then The Channel, for 30 odd quid a week and a shared room in some dingy B&B? Not to mention spending their family life savings in the process. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 16:28]
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 16:25 - Apr 9 with 1219 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 16:13 - Apr 9 by Swansea_Blue |
None of that is true.
1. If they’re seeking asylum they’re not “illegal”. They’re only here illegally if their asylum application is refused and they then stay.
2. Refugees are not required to stop at the nearest point of safety, as per the 1951 Refugee Convention to which we are signatories (and played a major role in writing).
3. Truly illegal immigrants barely have access to any benefits, let alone the “best” ones, because you need legal residency to apply for most of them.
This topic has been rumbling on for years, so there’s no excuse for still believing and spreading such lies. |
I have full confidence that Marcus will return to this thread, acknowledge his misunderstanding and revise his position accordingly. |  | | |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 16:26 - Apr 9 with 1206 views | noggin |
I expect that's the last we hear from marcus1642 | |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 17:09 - Apr 9 with 1147 views | ghostofescobar |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:20 - Apr 9 by marcus1642 |
That's a fair shout. But these people are still entering the Country illegally and refugees should stay at the nearest point of safety and not trapse across Europe do get the best benefits. |
They get no benefits, other than £6 a day to live on (food basically). Surely even some of the most rabid racists don’t want human being starving to death by us? If we give them nothing, they would have to rob to live. Are you sure that £6 a day is the best available in Europe? Where is the evidence? Do you think that is why many leave their families and give up their savings to people smugglers, for £6 a day? Basically, if you are “illegally” in the UK, it is impossible, I repeat, impossible to claim any benefit (housing, money, anything). According to the governments own findings, 13% of companies experienced labour shortages at the end of last year. There were over 1mill job vacancies at the end of 2022. Maybe we could process some of the immigrants more efficiently and get them working, thus contributing (via tax payments) to the UK, rather then the burden that they currently are (by paying for hotels, and other accommodation). Or we could just carry on with narrow minded, prejudiced, bigoted views, being suckered into the lies fed to us by our government and racist organisations. |  |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 17:20 - Apr 9 with 1120 views | Zx1988 |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:52 - Apr 9 by marcus1642 |
According to UN directives that's exactly what you are supposed to do. |
Care to answer the question? | |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 19:11 - Apr 9 with 1054 views | noggin |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 17:20 - Apr 9 by Zx1988 |
Care to answer the question? |
He probably doesn't care that he's wrong. Bigots care little for facts. | |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 21:18 - Apr 9 with 941 views | Horsham |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 17:09 - Apr 9 by ghostofescobar |
They get no benefits, other than £6 a day to live on (food basically). Surely even some of the most rabid racists don’t want human being starving to death by us? If we give them nothing, they would have to rob to live. Are you sure that £6 a day is the best available in Europe? Where is the evidence? Do you think that is why many leave their families and give up their savings to people smugglers, for £6 a day? Basically, if you are “illegally” in the UK, it is impossible, I repeat, impossible to claim any benefit (housing, money, anything). According to the governments own findings, 13% of companies experienced labour shortages at the end of last year. There were over 1mill job vacancies at the end of 2022. Maybe we could process some of the immigrants more efficiently and get them working, thus contributing (via tax payments) to the UK, rather then the burden that they currently are (by paying for hotels, and other accommodation). Or we could just carry on with narrow minded, prejudiced, bigoted views, being suckered into the lies fed to us by our government and racist organisations. |
One prominent Tory would maintain that is one meal and £5.70 spending money. | | | |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 21:37 - Apr 9 with 931 views | Herbivore |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:20 - Apr 9 by marcus1642 |
That's a fair shout. But these people are still entering the Country illegally and refugees should stay at the nearest point of safety and not trapse across Europe do get the best benefits. |
Others have tried to educate you, so I don't need to bother. This is a moronic post on a number of levels. | |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 22:34 - Apr 9 with 860 views | factual_blue |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 15:20 - Apr 9 by marcus1642 |
That's a fair shout. But these people are still entering the Country illegally and refugees should stay at the nearest point of safety and not trapse across Europe do get the best benefits. |
And of course the RNLI is their taxi service, isn't it? | |
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| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 22:54 - Apr 9 with 830 views | Coastalblue |
| Government admits to making up stats on small boat crossings on 16:26 - Apr 9 by noggin |
I expect that's the last we hear from marcus1642 |
marcus1465 will probably pop up on another thread next week to ffer enlightened views, before disappearing before marcus1466 appears the week after. |  |
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