| Desperate times on 10:06 - Apr 9 with 1375 views | Bluefish |
Another example of how lucky we are to have Marcus Evans |  |
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| Desperate times on 10:09 - Apr 9 with 1367 views | Herbivore |
Furlough the players. They can't do their job currently, they should already be furloughed. |  |
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| Desperate times on 10:15 - Apr 9 with 1354 views | ArnieM |
.....”.or players accept cuts”..... This underlines all that is wrong in the game today. Just who the f **** do these people think they are? What makes them any different from the millions of people in this Country, or the World for that matter right now, who have lost everything. The professional footballer frankly disgusts me right now. |  |
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| Desperate times on 10:18 - Apr 9 with 1336 views | Bluefish |
| Desperate times on 10:15 - Apr 9 by ArnieM |
.....”.or players accept cuts”..... This underlines all that is wrong in the game today. Just who the f **** do these people think they are? What makes them any different from the millions of people in this Country, or the World for that matter right now, who have lost everything. The professional footballer frankly disgusts me right now. |
Why?
Why should a league 1 or 2 player accept a pay cut? I don't anyone that has had a pay cut as a result of this, I know plenty of furloughed or unable to work SE that is affected but no one that has agreed a pay cut. As a chunk of a players wages is bonuses they presumably have all had a cut anyway | |
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| Desperate times on 10:18 - Apr 9 with 1333 views | WD19 |
| Desperate times on 10:15 - Apr 9 by ArnieM |
.....”.or players accept cuts”..... This underlines all that is wrong in the game today. Just who the f **** do these people think they are? What makes them any different from the millions of people in this Country, or the World for that matter right now, who have lost everything. The professional footballer frankly disgusts me right now. |
Point of order: The players signing the contracts that were put in front of them is not ‘all that is wrong with the game today.’ |  | | |
| Desperate times on 10:22 - Apr 9 with 1327 views | Guthrum |
| Desperate times on 10:15 - Apr 9 by ArnieM |
.....”.or players accept cuts”..... This underlines all that is wrong in the game today. Just who the f **** do these people think they are? What makes them any different from the millions of people in this Country, or the World for that matter right now, who have lost everything. The professional footballer frankly disgusts me right now. |
Millions have lost everything, but millions also have not, happily continuing to do their jobs - and get paid for it, in full - from home. The footballer looks at them and at his contract, then can reasonably ask why he is coming under pressure to cut his wages and give away his money, when many other's aren't. |  |
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| Desperate times on 10:24 - Apr 9 with 1326 views | itfcjoe |
I think a lot of ITFc fans still see things through the prism of the Championship, and that may be why there is an acceptance by some as to how badly we are doing and how much further we can fall.
Some of the clubs in this league and the one below are basically big non-league clubs - the differences between us and them are vast.
The value of a stable owner like Evans should hit home for some |  |
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| Desperate times on 10:26 - Apr 9 with 1303 views | Bluefish |
| Desperate times on 10:24 - Apr 9 by itfcjoe |
I think a lot of ITFc fans still see things through the prism of the Championship, and that may be why there is an acceptance by some as to how badly we are doing and how much further we can fall.
Some of the clubs in this league and the one below are basically big non-league clubs - the differences between us and them are vast.
The value of a stable owner like Evans should hit home for some |
it won't | |
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| Desperate times on 10:37 - Apr 9 with 1277 views | giant_stow |
| Desperate times on 10:18 - Apr 9 by Bluefish |
Why?
Why should a league 1 or 2 player accept a pay cut? I don't anyone that has had a pay cut as a result of this, I know plenty of furloughed or unable to work SE that is affected but no one that has agreed a pay cut. As a chunk of a players wages is bonuses they presumably have all had a cut anyway |
If I were a player, id rather take a pay cut now than a job cut down the line. |  |
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| Desperate times on 10:40 - Apr 9 with 1253 views | jaykay |
| Desperate times on 10:09 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
Furlough the players. They can't do their job currently, they should already be furloughed. |
or they could do a leeds united |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Desperate times on 10:41 - Apr 9 with 1262 views | Bluefish |
| Desperate times on 10:37 - Apr 9 by giant_stow |
If I were a player, id rather take a pay cut now than a job cut down the line. |
But it means nothing with a football club, they don't have potential jobs for life like the rest of us. They have a contract and then they are replace by someone younger and cheaper. They also have bills to pay, a footballer household income is potentially less than many of us on here. Often their partners can't build a career because they aren't settled in an area and a lower league footballer doesn't mean riches | |
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| Desperate times on 10:45 - Apr 9 with 1250 views | giant_stow |
| Desperate times on 10:41 - Apr 9 by Bluefish |
But it means nothing with a football club, they don't have potential jobs for life like the rest of us. They have a contract and then they are replace by someone younger and cheaper. They also have bills to pay, a footballer household income is potentially less than many of us on here. Often their partners can't build a career because they aren't settled in an area and a lower league footballer doesn't mean riches |
Yeah you're right, but I think the danger to football clubs is immediate - not hard to imagine clubs going bust soon. If that happens, old contracts will mean nothing new clubs will only pay what they can afford. If the prem starts to struggle or has to pay back gazillions, then that will stop the tickledown too. Really not hard to imagine the whole pack of cards tubbling and doing so soon. | |
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| Desperate times on 10:46 - Apr 9 with 1242 views | itfcjoe |
| Desperate times on 10:45 - Apr 9 by giant_stow |
Yeah you're right, but I think the danger to football clubs is immediate - not hard to imagine clubs going bust soon. If that happens, old contracts will mean nothing new clubs will only pay what they can afford. If the prem starts to struggle or has to pay back gazillions, then that will stop the tickledown too. Really not hard to imagine the whole pack of cards tubbling and doing so soon. |
A couple of players on a couple of grand a week aren't going to be the reason for it going bust though. | |
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| Desperate times on 10:49 - Apr 9 with 1230 views | giant_stow |
| Desperate times on 10:46 - Apr 9 by itfcjoe |
A couple of players on a couple of grand a week aren't going to be the reason for it going bust though. |
For the sake of argument, £100 grand x 2 per year going out - nothing coming in.
That £200 grand could be life and death for a small club with no benefactor. | |
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| Desperate times on 10:52 - Apr 9 with 1218 views | JakeITFC |
| Desperate times on 10:15 - Apr 9 by ArnieM |
.....”.or players accept cuts”..... This underlines all that is wrong in the game today. Just who the f **** do these people think they are? What makes them any different from the millions of people in this Country, or the World for that matter right now, who have lost everything. The professional footballer frankly disgusts me right now. |
It's very likely that some of us on this board earn more in a year than some of these players - it seems weird to ask just the footballers to pitch in that this point (especially when they have such short careers). |  | | |
| Desperate times on 10:55 - Apr 9 with 1209 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Desperate times on 10:24 - Apr 9 by itfcjoe |
I think a lot of ITFc fans still see things through the prism of the Championship, and that may be why there is an acceptance by some as to how badly we are doing and how much further we can fall.
Some of the clubs in this league and the one below are basically big non-league clubs - the differences between us and them are vast.
The value of a stable owner like Evans should hit home for some |
Even Sunderland - Donald is not a wealthy man at all in football terms and has one foot out the door already. |  | | |
| Desperate times on 11:00 - Apr 9 with 1192 views | giant_stow |
| Desperate times on 10:52 - Apr 9 by JakeITFC |
It's very likely that some of us on this board earn more in a year than some of these players - it seems weird to ask just the footballers to pitch in that this point (especially when they have such short careers). |
Again fair on one hand, but maybe footballers are going to have to accept that their 'value' just collapsed.
Given we're looking at possible economic catastrophe, I wonder whether people will ever be up for or able to pay for sky to pay players again. | |
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| Desperate times on 11:02 - Apr 9 with 1184 views | Atractorive |
| Desperate times on 10:22 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
Millions have lost everything, but millions also have not, happily continuing to do their jobs - and get paid for it, in full - from home. The footballer looks at them and at his contract, then can reasonably ask why he is coming under pressure to cut his wages and give away his money, when many other's aren't. |
Surely the difference is that the people continuing to work at home and being paid in full are doing so because they are still able to do the job that they are paid to do. The argument would be that footballers aren't able to do the job they are paid to do from home? |  | | |
| Desperate times on 11:03 - Apr 9 with 1176 views | Bluefish |
| Desperate times on 11:02 - Apr 9 by Atractorive |
Surely the difference is that the people continuing to work at home and being paid in full are doing so because they are still able to do the job that they are paid to do. The argument would be that footballers aren't able to do the job they are paid to do from home? |
the vast majority of their job involves training and keeping in condition, they will definitely be expected to continue that | |
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| Desperate times on 11:12 - Apr 9 with 1117 views | Atractorive |
| Desperate times on 11:03 - Apr 9 by Bluefish |
the vast majority of their job involves training and keeping in condition, they will definitely be expected to continue that |
hmmm. I see your point. But if you look at it as just another job that is redundant during a pandemic, I am sure you can find examples of other professions that have taken pay cuts but are expected to maintain the required skills, physical or otherwise, to able to do their job when things go back to normal? | | | |
| Desperate times on 11:14 - Apr 9 with 1107 views | textbackup |
| Desperate times on 10:06 - Apr 9 by Bluefish |
Another example of how lucky we are to have Marcus Evans |
how long does he keep paying them tho, considering his main income will be seriously hit by this |  |
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| Desperate times on 11:14 - Apr 9 with 1106 views | Bluefish |
| Desperate times on 11:12 - Apr 9 by Atractorive |
hmmm. I see your point. But if you look at it as just another job that is redundant during a pandemic, I am sure you can find examples of other professions that have taken pay cuts but are expected to maintain the required skills, physical or otherwise, to able to do their job when things go back to normal? |
but I haven't seen a single campaign about those professions and I haven't seen a single compliant when they have used furlough.
I think this is being viewed the wrong way round, no one is demanding footballers keep all of their money. We are just saying the campaigns and attacks to single them out is unfair | |
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| Desperate times on 11:16 - Apr 9 with 1097 views | Bluefish |
| Desperate times on 11:14 - Apr 9 by textbackup |
how long does he keep paying them tho, considering his main income will be seriously hit by this |
Longer than any other owner in our history probably could and longer than other owners in the league I suspect but presumably not forever | |
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| Desperate times on 11:28 - Apr 9 with 1055 views | JakeITFC |
| Desperate times on 11:00 - Apr 9 by giant_stow |
Again fair on one hand, but maybe footballers are going to have to accept that their 'value' just collapsed.
Given we're looking at possible economic catastrophe, I wonder whether people will ever be up for or able to pay for sky to pay players again. |
But this is more about blokes on £50k at places like Morecambe rather than the millionaires in the Premier League. | | | |
| Desperate times on 11:39 - Apr 9 with 1025 views | noggin |
If players are furloughed, would they be entitled to move to another club, for free? |  |
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