| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? 08:11 - Nov 6 with 11688 views | itfcjoe |
I know it has always been right leaning, but I'd have had it as a respectable paper with decent journalists etc, used to read parts of it at a time and was always fair.
It has literally turned into the Conservative Internal paper, the front page is an utter embarrassment. Is it just since Brexit that it has lost it's mind? |  |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 12:05 - Nov 6 with 1879 views | itfcjoe |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 11:59 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
What does the Tories only having tow policies have to do with me. I'm voting Lib Dem.
Are you suggesting that Swinson is only saying she wont support Crbyn as PM for political reasons and will change her mind in the event of a hung Parliament? Do you think she will betray people like Luciana Berger who was driven out of Labour by the racists? Do you think she will betray the British Jews who are voting Lib Dem in this election? I think she has principles and isn't so easily bought. I don't think she is somebody who will throw the British Jewish community under the bus because in order to stop Brexit. |
I don't think she will support Corbyn, but she has to be more anti him than she probably needs to be or is at the moment because of how the Tories main line of attack is purely against him. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 12:05 - Nov 6 with 1875 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 12:03 - Nov 6 by pointofblue |
From memory Swinson is being very careful with her language - I think she’s said she will never join forces with Corbyn or Johnson rather than with Labour or the Conservatives, so the cost of Lib Dem support would be a change in leader for both parties. Most likely Labour as they’re closer politically to the Lib Dem’s than the Conservatives; at least at the moment they are. |
Yes absolutely the price for a coalition with Labour would be Corbyn stepping down.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/swinson-accuses-corbyn-of-dereliction-of-duty |  |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 12:11 - Nov 6 with 1862 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 08:35 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
It's an exact quote Johnson used about Gordon brown in 2009 when tax rate went up to 50p too |
Didn't you refer to Corbyn and the leadership of Labour as being "much more Stalinist than Socialist" less than six months ago?
Didn't you say that you couldn't vote Labour whilst Corbyn was leader because of his "anti west foreign affairs position" and that given the choice of voting Blue or Red you would vote yellow?
But a sniff at a second referendum and you are in camp Corbyn. What a man to sell your soul for Joe. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 12:28 - Nov 6 with 1842 views | Darth_Koont |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 11:59 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
What does the Tories only having tow policies have to do with me. I'm voting Lib Dem.
Are you suggesting that Swinson is only saying she wont support Crbyn as PM for political reasons and will change her mind in the event of a hung Parliament? Do you think she will betray people like Luciana Berger who was driven out of Labour by the racists? Do you think she will betray the British Jews who are voting Lib Dem in this election? I think she has principles and isn't so easily bought. I don't think she is somebody who will throw the British Jewish community under the bus because in order to stop Brexit. |
Who would be throwing the Jewish community under the bus?
This is food for thought for you. And amazingly it was a comment allowed in the frequently deranged Jewish Chronicle:
https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/rabbi-s-don-t-vote-corbyn-message-will-onl |  |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 13:05 - Nov 6 with 1806 views | itfcjoe |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 12:11 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Didn't you refer to Corbyn and the leadership of Labour as being "much more Stalinist than Socialist" less than six months ago?
Didn't you say that you couldn't vote Labour whilst Corbyn was leader because of his "anti west foreign affairs position" and that given the choice of voting Blue or Red you would vote yellow?
But a sniff at a second referendum and you are in camp Corbyn. What a man to sell your soul for Joe. |
Camp Corbyn? I'm actually in Camp Anyone But The Tories and whilst a Lib Dem member will be voting tactically at this upcoming election, that will probably be for Labour.
Positions change, I don't really like Corbyn, due to reasons stated before, but him or Johnson - sadly it is no competition.
I'm hoping for some form of Lab/Lib coalition with the inevitable new leader. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 13:06 - Nov 6 with 1801 views | monytowbray |
It’s been nicknamed the TORYGRAPH for as long as I can remember. |  |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:03 - Nov 6 with 1766 views | BrixtonBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 11:33 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
It's been known as the Torygraph for as long as I can remember.
Re the comparisons with Stalin, pictures like this give Labour's opponents an open goal.
Could you find a picture anywhere of a Tory cabinet member giving a speech in front of a banner displaying the images of Hitler and Mussolini? |
You realise that's not a picture of Jeremy Corbyn, right? |  |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:05 - Nov 6 with 1753 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:03 - Nov 6 by BrixtonBlue |
You realise that's not a picture of Jeremy Corbyn, right? |
Yes it's a picture of the real leader of the Labour party and not just his mouthpiece. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:06 - Nov 6 with 1753 views | BrixtonBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 11:43 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Jo Swinson has stated that she will not put Corbyn in number 10 in the event of a hung Parliament. One of the reasons she has given is his lack of will to combat Labour's antisemitism issue. Is she a Tory? Is everyone who is opposed to Corbyn a Tory?
If so then 80% of Labour MP's are Tories. |
We were talking about Johnson and the Torygraph (and lowhouse's defending of them). I'm not sure what your point has to do with that. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:07 - Nov 6 with 1737 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:06 - Nov 6 by BrixtonBlue |
We were talking about Johnson and the Torygraph (and lowhouse's defending of them). I'm not sure what your point has to do with that. |
You have long branded anyone who is a critic of the dear leader as "a tory". | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:15 - Nov 6 with 1708 views | BrixtonBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:05 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes it's a picture of the real leader of the Labour party and not just his mouthpiece. |
You seem to be struggling to work out what thus thread is about. It's about Boris comparing Corbyn to Stalin. Not the Labour Party, or anyone else to do with the Labour Party, but Corbyn.
It's not really that difficult. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:16 - Nov 6 with 1705 views | BrixtonBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:07 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
You have long branded anyone who is a critic of the dear leader as "a tory". |
Again, you seem to be struggling to understand the thread or what people have actually written in it. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:21 - Nov 6 with 1684 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:16 - Nov 6 by BrixtonBlue |
Again, you seem to be struggling to understand the thread or what people have actually written in it. |
You clearly stated to Lowhouse "Your hatred of Corbyn is so deep now you've actually become a Tory"
ergo, you hate Corbyn that makes you a Tory. Your perception that Lowhouse is defending Johnson comes from the fact that he hates Corbyn so much that it's made him a Tory. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:39 - Nov 6 with 1659 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 13:05 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
Camp Corbyn? I'm actually in Camp Anyone But The Tories and whilst a Lib Dem member will be voting tactically at this upcoming election, that will probably be for Labour.
Positions change, I don't really like Corbyn, due to reasons stated before, but him or Johnson - sadly it is no competition.
I'm hoping for some form of Lab/Lib coalition with the inevitable new leader. |
How does that work though? Corbyn is elected as Labour leader and did so with a massive majority of Labour members. If Swinson is prepared to back a moderate Labour leader, that leader has to be voted in by the membership which is Cobynite. Do you see the Labour membership rubber stamping Tom Watson or Kier Starmer as leader? [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 14:40]
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:53 - Nov 6 with 1638 views | itfcjoe |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:39 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
How does that work though? Corbyn is elected as Labour leader and did so with a massive majority of Labour members. If Swinson is prepared to back a moderate Labour leader, that leader has to be voted in by the membership which is Cobynite. Do you see the Labour membership rubber stamping Tom Watson or Kier Starmer as leader? [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 14:40]
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Guess we'll see if it comes to pass | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:57 - Nov 6 with 1628 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:53 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
Guess we'll see if it comes to pass |
If a Brexiter gave a vague answer like that you'd be down in them like a ton of bricks. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 15:01 - Nov 6 with 1622 views | footers |
"Democracy is a wonderful thing and I'm enjoying every minute of it!" |  |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 15:07 - Nov 6 with 1604 views | Darth_Koont |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 13:05 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
Camp Corbyn? I'm actually in Camp Anyone But The Tories and whilst a Lib Dem member will be voting tactically at this upcoming election, that will probably be for Labour.
Positions change, I don't really like Corbyn, due to reasons stated before, but him or Johnson - sadly it is no competition.
I'm hoping for some form of Lab/Lib coalition with the inevitable new leader. |
Well said.
Anyone who looks at the last 9 years of the Tories and their Brexit-caused acceleration into even worse territory should realise the imperative of getting them out.
After that, people will have preferences for who replaces them but any constellation of Lab, LibDem, SNP, Green, Plaid Cymru is preferable given we know the damage is just increasing under the Tories. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 15:28 - Nov 6 with 1562 views | itfcjoe |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:57 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
If a Brexiter gave a vague answer like that you'd be down in them like a ton of bricks. |
What are you on about? | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 16:38 - Nov 6 with 1493 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 15:28 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
What are you on about? |
"Guess we'll see if it comes to pass". A leap of faith. It'll be alright on the night.
If a Brexiter said this about their vote they'd be roundly mocked.
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 17:53 - Nov 6 with 1351 views | SpruceMoose |
This thread got lobbed off at the knees I see! Good! |  |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 17:57 - Nov 6 with 1327 views | itfcjoe |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 16:38 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
"Guess we'll see if it comes to pass". A leap of faith. It'll be alright on the night.
If a Brexiter said this about their vote they'd be roundly mocked.
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Lib Dem’s have ruled out supporting Corbyn, if they are the only party left with morals as you state then that will surely hold up and if only way to get Tories out is for Lab and LD to form coalition what other option is there? | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 18:07 - Nov 6 with 1308 views | GlasgowBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 17:57 - Nov 6 by itfcjoe |
Lib Dem’s have ruled out supporting Corbyn, if they are the only party left with morals as you state then that will surely hold up and if only way to get Tories out is for Lab and LD to form coalition what other option is there? |
Corbyn will attempt to form a minority government and call another election. | |
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| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 18:37 - Nov 6 with 1288 views | BrixtonBlue |
| WHen did the Telegraph just become a Tory mouthpiece? on 14:21 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
You clearly stated to Lowhouse "Your hatred of Corbyn is so deep now you've actually become a Tory"
ergo, you hate Corbyn that makes you a Tory. Your perception that Lowhouse is defending Johnson comes from the fact that he hates Corbyn so much that it's made him a Tory. |
Your ergo is wrong.
"Your hatred of Corbyn - i.e. Lowhouse's - is so deep now you've actually become a Tory".
It doesn't follow that if you hate Corbyn you're a Tory. I'm saying that Lowhouse's hatred, which has led to him defending Boris and the Torygraph, has practically turned him into a Tory. | |
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