| Not antisemitic 07:26 - Sep 23 with 19948 views | GlasgowBlue |
So the Labour Party conference has started and there’s absolutely no sign of antisemitism on day one. None at all.
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| Not antisemitic on 18:50 - Sep 23 with 3335 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 18:33 - Sep 23 by footers |
Been a busy day on Twitter, huh. |
I wouldn't know. I posted the links this morning, was asked to quantify why I believed each example was antisemitic and did so at 14.08 and again earlier this evening. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 18:53 - Sep 23 with 3327 views | footers |
| Not antisemitic on 18:50 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
I wouldn't know. I posted the links this morning, was asked to quantify why I believed each example was antisemitic and did so at 14.08 and again earlier this evening. |
Yeah, what you believe doesn't make something so. Which is always the problem when we get to this, innit, you refuse to see shades of grey, presumably because you can make political capital out of it.
Round and round the garden, like a teddy bear. |  |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:08 - Sep 23 with 3310 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not antisemitic on 18:49 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
I did so in reply to Callis at 14.08. You even replied to that post at 14.18. There are none so blind as those who will not see. |
You'll have to run that by me again. This time pointing out actual antisemitism rather than a context that you yourself have given it.
The point of the IHRA definition and examples was to give indicators and then use context to explore their use. You've used a particular context that is yours and mostly without IHRA indicators to say antisemitism is indicated. So you've got it completely @rse about face.
IHRA was designed as a tool to define and categorise antisemitism. Not make it up. |  |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:09 - Sep 23 with 3304 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 18:53 - Sep 23 by footers |
Yeah, what you believe doesn't make something so. Which is always the problem when we get to this, innit, you refuse to see shades of grey, presumably because you can make political capital out of it.
Round and round the garden, like a teddy bear. |
Which of the 5 links do you believe are not antisemitic? | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:10 - Sep 23 with 3299 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 19:08 - Sep 23 by Darth_Koont |
You'll have to run that by me again. This time pointing out actual antisemitism rather than a context that you yourself have given it.
The point of the IHRA definition and examples was to give indicators and then use context to explore their use. You've used a particular context that is yours and mostly without IHRA indicators to say antisemitism is indicated. So you've got it completely @rse about face.
IHRA was designed as a tool to define and categorise antisemitism. Not make it up. |
Run it past you again? I've posted it twice now and given my reasons each time. Read the thread. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:13 - Sep 23 with 3297 views | footers |
| Not antisemitic on 19:09 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Which of the 5 links do you believe are not antisemitic? |
Arguably all of them.
Happy to help.
Edit: Awaits emotional, dramatic reply. [Post edited 23 Sep 2019 19:13]
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| Not antisemitic on 19:21 - Sep 23 with 3282 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not antisemitic on 19:10 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Run it past you again? I've posted it twice now and given my reasons each time. Read the thread. |
I've read it and you've not explained them with regard to IHRA.
None of your evidence applies to the definition. And only one of the examples does but the context of him being a dissenting Israeli Jew is key to that being dubious as antisemitism. Anti-Israel and antizionist most certainly but there's nothing wrong with that is there?
You have made your own specious framing of them relate to the IHRA. But IHRA doesn't work that way - it addresses the content on its own terms. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:22 - Sep 23 with 3273 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 19:13 - Sep 23 by footers |
Arguably all of them.
Happy to help.
Edit: Awaits emotional, dramatic reply. [Post edited 23 Sep 2019 19:13]
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No emotional or dramatic reply.Your reply was entirely expected. [Post edited 23 Sep 2019 19:24]
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| Not antisemitic on 19:23 - Sep 23 with 3268 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 19:21 - Sep 23 by Darth_Koont |
I've read it and you've not explained them with regard to IHRA.
None of your evidence applies to the definition. And only one of the examples does but the context of him being a dissenting Israeli Jew is key to that being dubious as antisemitism. Anti-Israel and antizionist most certainly but there's nothing wrong with that is there?
You have made your own specious framing of them relate to the IHRA. But IHRA doesn't work that way - it addresses the content on its own terms. |
The IHRA includes all of the examples. They are part of the same document.
No point in continuing this with you. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:25 - Sep 23 with 3264 views | footers |
| Not antisemitic on 19:22 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
No emotional or dramatic reply.Your reply was entirely expected. [Post edited 23 Sep 2019 19:24]
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I enjoyed your token Uighur post earlier. Right on! | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:26 - Sep 23 with 3260 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 19:25 - Sep 23 by footers |
I enjoyed your token Uighur post earlier. Right on! |
Yawn. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:28 - Sep 23 with 3254 views | footers |
"Hang Nelson Mandela"
Your life, your choice. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:34 - Sep 23 with 3243 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not antisemitic on 19:23 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
The IHRA includes all of the examples. They are part of the same document.
No point in continuing this with you. |
No. You're supplying your own context to these to make the case that they're antisemitic.
I'l give you an example: Elsewhere on here and in the media and social media, others have supplied the context that talking about an Israel lobby is antisemitic because that indicates conspiracy, dual loyalty etc. etc. So when you agreed there was an Israel lobby you yourself were being antisemitic?! Really?? Surely you can see that IHRA just doesn't work that way around. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:36 - Sep 23 with 3236 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 19:28 - Sep 23 by footers |
"Hang Nelson Mandela"
Your life, your choice. |
Still arguing like a 6th former. Grow up mate. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:47 - Sep 23 with 3220 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 08:34 - Sep 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Here we go.....another epic fail of a post......did you actually watch that video...I may have heard one distant voice shout something!
Pathetic even by your low standards Tory boy. |
I've watched it too. Didn't hear any booing.
The smear campaign rolls on. |  |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:50 - Sep 23 with 3214 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 08:59 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Pretend what? I left the Tory party because it went into a loose coalition with bigots. I didn’t vote Tory at the recent local and EU elections. I won’t vote Tory at the next election? And I won’t consider voting Tory again until they start an independent inquiry into Islamophobia within their ranks.
There is no pretend. It’s called principles. This may be hard for somebody like you to understand.
But this seems to be the tactic favoured by the apologists for labour’s Antisemitism. Ignore the racism. Attack the person highlighting the racism. I mean how fcuked up is it that when shown examples of racism the first thought is to attack the person complaining about the issue. You should be in Brighton this week. You’d fit right in. [Post edited 23 Sep 2019 9:04]
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There is no racism in your OP. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 19:53 - Sep 23 with 3208 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 19:50 - Sep 23 by BrixtonBlue |
There is no racism in your OP. |
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| Not antisemitic on 20:05 - Sep 23 with 3176 views | wkj |
Goes to show you that Corbyn isn't antisemitic at least. |  |
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| Not antisemitic on 20:09 - Sep 23 with 3170 views | longtimefan |
Game, Set and Match !!! |  | | |
| Not antisemitic on 20:11 - Sep 23 with 3165 views | BrixtonBlue |
I imagine Corbyn's been advised to say that. Because of people like you twisting it. Like others in the thread I disagree with him.
Every one of your examples has been pulled apart as false (by posters more knowledgable than me).
The video... I've just watched it. Can't hear any booing.
There are plenty of examples of anti semitism (which you've highlighted before and are disgusting). Making them up just weakens your argument. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 20:11 - Sep 23 with 3163 views | wkj |
| Not antisemitic on 20:09 - Sep 23 by longtimefan |
Game, Set and Match !!! |
That is a bit of chilling thought, civil rights becoming a bit of a point scoring exercise, yeesh | |
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| Not antisemitic on 20:12 - Sep 23 with 3160 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 20:09 - Sep 23 by longtimefan |
Game, Set and Match !!! |
In what way? | |
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| Not antisemitic on 20:20 - Sep 23 with 3145 views | longtimefan |
| Not antisemitic on 20:12 - Sep 23 by BrixtonBlue |
In what way? |
In the way that despite all the assertions on here that the OP contained no anti-semitism, that tweet from the Leader of the Opposition rightly points out that is does. | | | |
| Not antisemitic on 20:21 - Sep 23 with 3139 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 20:20 - Sep 23 by longtimefan |
In the way that despite all the assertions on here that the OP contained no anti-semitism, that tweet from the Leader of the Opposition rightly points out that is does. |
Or that he was advised to say that to stop people twisting it... | |
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| Not antisemitic on 20:23 - Sep 23 with 3136 views | longtimefan |
| Not antisemitic on 20:21 - Sep 23 by BrixtonBlue |
Or that he was advised to say that to stop people twisting it... |
So our “take home” from this is that the Leader of the Opposition just does what his advisors tell him to do? | | | |
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