| Not antisemitic 07:26 - Sep 23 with 19947 views | GlasgowBlue |
So the Labour Party conference has started and there’s absolutely no sign of antisemitism on day one. None at all.
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| Not antisemitic on 15:16 - Sep 25 with 1557 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not antisemitic on 15:15 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s always the wrong kind of Jews with you isn’t it? Always throwing in the loyal to Israel trope for good measure. But that it’s antisemitic. No sir. Just legitimate criticism of Israel. Of course it is. |
That's a particularly scummy misreading of what I said. |  |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:19 - Sep 25 with 1525 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 15:15 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s always the wrong kind of Jews with you isn’t it? Always throwing in the loyal to Israel trope for good measure. But that it’s antisemitic. No sir. Just legitimate criticism of Israel. Of course it is. |
Is that the same "wrong kind of Jew" Alexi Sayle was the other day? |  |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:23 - Sep 25 with 1506 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 15:19 - Sep 25 by BrixtonBlue |
Is that the same "wrong kind of Jew" Alexi Sayle was the other day? |
Who said he was? I said he was perfectly entitled to his views and that he can only honestly speak from his own experiences. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:23 - Sep 25 with 1503 views | footers |
Are we redefining the internationally-recognised definition of 'conclusion' now too? |  |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:23 - Sep 25 with 1501 views | SpruceMoose |
| Not antisemitic on 15:23 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Who said he was? I said he was perfectly entitled to his views and that he can only honestly speak from his own experiences. |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:25 - Sep 25 with 1494 views | GlasgowBlue |
I think you are mistaking me for somebody else you followed around that thread.
I note you like to chip away at various posters when this subject is raised but rarely discuss the detail or give your own opinion. You’re not usually backwards in coming forwards when it’s right wing racism. [Post edited 25 Sep 2019 15:27]
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| Not antisemitic on 15:28 - Sep 25 with 1480 views | giant_stow |
| Not antisemitic on 15:05 - Sep 25 by Darth_Koont |
Why do you think it's ugly?
If they're criticising Khan for meeting Jews then that's clearly antisemitic. If they're criticising Khan for going to a meeting of a group that is hardcore pro-Israel and Zionist by its own admission, and has had a dubious part to play in amplifying and distorting antisemitism within Labour, then that's clearly not antisemitic.
The JLM are not above criticism because they aren't "the Jewish people in Labour" as much as they like to pretend they are. There are many Jews in Labour who would criticize Khan for meeting them as well. |
Mainly because of the 'these Israeli Zionists' bit. I thought they're british jews?
I can see you have it in for the JLM, which is a shame - is every member a wrongun by you then? .
I like Friedman's last tweet:
"What I saw was the leader of our capital city and a proud Muslim stand with his Jewish “brothers and sisters” against those who would exclude Jews. It was both depressing and heartening. We Jews know we have enemies - but we also have friends (ends)"
heartening. [Post edited 25 Sep 2019 15:29]
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| Not antisemitic on 15:34 - Sep 25 with 1465 views | SpruceMoose |
| Not antisemitic on 15:25 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
I think you are mistaking me for somebody else you followed around that thread.
I note you like to chip away at various posters when this subject is raised but rarely discuss the detail or give your own opinion. You’re not usually backwards in coming forwards when it’s right wing racism. [Post edited 25 Sep 2019 15:27]
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Oh we're back to insinuating that I'm a racist again. How tiresome. Never mind the Glasgow Swerve, its disappointing cousin is in town, the Glasgow Smear.
See, this is why nobody takes you seriously. You're a hack, and whatever decent point you may occasionally, accidentally stumble across gets lost and utterly ruined by you because, well, your particular brand of politics is of the extremely seedy, gutter kind.
How's about that for an opinion on a right winger eh? No need to reply, I won't bother acknowledging you from this point onwards. [Post edited 25 Sep 2019 15:36]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:36 - Sep 25 with 1452 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 15:34 - Sep 25 by SpruceMoose |
Oh we're back to insinuating that I'm a racist again. How tiresome. Never mind the Glasgow Swerve, its disappointing cousin is in town, the Glasgow Smear.
See, this is why nobody takes you seriously. You're a hack, and whatever decent point you may occasionally, accidentally stumble across gets lost and utterly ruined by you because, well, your particular brand of politics is of the extremely seedy, gutter kind.
How's about that for an opinion on a right winger eh? No need to reply, I won't bother acknowledging you from this point onwards. [Post edited 25 Sep 2019 15:36]
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No. We are back to you chipping away at posters in this subject but never actually giving an option on the racism whereas you are very quick to jump in right wing racism. I dint think for one minute you are a racist and never suggested that you were/are. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:36 - Sep 25 with 1450 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not antisemitic on 15:28 - Sep 25 by giant_stow |
Mainly because of the 'these Israeli Zionists' bit. I thought they're british jews?
I can see you have it in for the JLM, which is a shame - is every member a wrongun by you then? .
I like Friedman's last tweet:
"What I saw was the leader of our capital city and a proud Muslim stand with his Jewish “brothers and sisters” against those who would exclude Jews. It was both depressing and heartening. We Jews know we have enemies - but we also have friends (ends)"
heartening. [Post edited 25 Sep 2019 15:29]
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That's a bad faith reading, ullaa. I said pro-Israeli not Israeli and anyway pro-Israeli is pretty redundant given their hardcore Zionism.
Have a read for yourself in their own words:
https://www.jewishlabour.uk/what_is_the_jewish_labour_movement
If you think they're just representing Jews in Labour and not instrumental in this fight (often against other Jews I might add) then you'll obviously not understand why people could be legitimately critical. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:40 - Sep 25 with 1433 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 15:23 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Who said he was? I said he was perfectly entitled to his views and that he can only honestly speak from his own experiences. |
Lowhouse certainly did. A couple of others did too.
Whilst you certainly did say he's perfectly entitled to his views... you also dismissed them by saying "they are not views or experiences shared by the majority of British Jews."
I bet if Sayle had been slating Corbyn you'd have been all over it like a cheap suit, and in fact would've been first to post it. As it was praising Corbyn, you only appeared towards the end of page 3... swiftly adding more from your antisemitism file. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:42 - Sep 25 with 1428 views | giant_stow |
| Not antisemitic on 15:36 - Sep 25 by Darth_Koont |
That's a bad faith reading, ullaa. I said pro-Israeli not Israeli and anyway pro-Israeli is pretty redundant given their hardcore Zionism.
Have a read for yourself in their own words:
https://www.jewishlabour.uk/what_is_the_jewish_labour_movement
If you think they're just representing Jews in Labour and not instrumental in this fight (often against other Jews I might add) then you'll obviously not understand why people could be legitimately critical. |
I'm not talking about what you said fella - you asked me why the convo was ugly - I explained why those bods using 'these Israeli Zionists' was ugly in my book.
Surprised you missed that distinction - if you hadn't, you might understand why GB and me found it off. Friedman was careful to surround those words in quotes too.
So no bad faith reading.
So by the sounds of it you just don't like Zionists - i make no comment on that, but is this all of them or just the current right-wing version? | |
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| Not antisemitic on 15:56 - Sep 25 with 1399 views | lowhouseblue |
| Not antisemitic on 15:40 - Sep 25 by BrixtonBlue |
Lowhouse certainly did. A couple of others did too.
Whilst you certainly did say he's perfectly entitled to his views... you also dismissed them by saying "they are not views or experiences shared by the majority of British Jews."
I bet if Sayle had been slating Corbyn you'd have been all over it like a cheap suit, and in fact would've been first to post it. As it was praising Corbyn, you only appeared towards the end of page 3... swiftly adding more from your antisemitism file. |
I certainly did not. please provide a link.
I said he was a 1970s commie and his support for corbyn was therefore predictable. I didn't say his race had anything to do with his support or otherwise for Corbyn. so link or edit. |  |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:01 - Sep 25 with 1386 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not antisemitic on 15:42 - Sep 25 by giant_stow |
I'm not talking about what you said fella - you asked me why the convo was ugly - I explained why those bods using 'these Israeli Zionists' was ugly in my book.
Surprised you missed that distinction - if you hadn't, you might understand why GB and me found it off. Friedman was careful to surround those words in quotes too.
So no bad faith reading.
So by the sounds of it you just don't like Zionists - i make no comment on that, but is this all of them or just the current right-wing version? |
No, I'm very sceptical of Zionism in 2019 as it is undeniably fuelling the oppression and occupation of the Palestinians. But then again I'm not a fan of any belief when it slips into ethno-religious nationalism and fundamentalism.
Otherwise, sorry for the confusion and thinking it was a bad faith reading. I understand now that you were reading the Twitter thread.
Yes, it was definitely incorrect for these men to call the JLM "Israeli Zionists" - not antisemitic though. Perhaps they were just confused by the JLM's main "object" as they call it: "To maintain and promote Labour or Socialist Zionism as the movement for self-determination of the Jewish people within the state of Israel." Which is "Israeli" because that's really just the point of Zionism not that they themselves are Israeli.
Of course, I also don't think the JLM are innocent and just defending against antisemitism. I think their leaders have been more smeary and politically motivated than almost anyone else. As you know, I've got the evidence if you want to discuss that. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:06 - Sep 25 with 1367 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 15:56 - Sep 25 by lowhouseblue |
I certainly did not. please provide a link.
I said he was a 1970s commie and his support for corbyn was therefore predictable. I didn't say his race had anything to do with his support or otherwise for Corbyn. so link or edit. |
I didn't say anything about race. The comment was about "wrong kind of Jew." Among other things you dismissed him as an ageing comic... I asked what his age had to do with it but you declined to respond. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:07 - Sep 25 with 1364 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 16:06 - Sep 25 by BrixtonBlue |
I didn't say anything about race. The comment was about "wrong kind of Jew." Among other things you dismissed him as an ageing comic... I asked what his age had to do with it but you declined to respond. |
So he didn’t call Sayle “the wrong kind of Jew”. As Elton says, sorry seems to be the hardest word. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:09 - Sep 25 with 1361 views | lowhouseblue |
| Not antisemitic on 16:06 - Sep 25 by BrixtonBlue |
I didn't say anything about race. The comment was about "wrong kind of Jew." Among other things you dismissed him as an ageing comic... I asked what his age had to do with it but you declined to respond. |
a link to where I said 'wrong kind of jew' or edit. don't just discuss something different. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:11 - Sep 25 with 1351 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 16:09 - Sep 25 by lowhouseblue |
a link to where I said 'wrong kind of jew' or edit. don't just discuss something different. |
Did you not read the Thomas Cook/Bankers thread? Dolly doesn't do “I was wrong”. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:12 - Sep 25 with 1351 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 16:07 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
So he didn’t call Sayle “the wrong kind of Jew”. As Elton says, sorry seems to be the hardest word. |
He dismissed him for being old, among other things. So old Jews don't count. That's the same as "wrong kind of Jew." | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:14 - Sep 25 with 1347 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 16:09 - Sep 25 by lowhouseblue |
a link to where I said 'wrong kind of jew' or edit. don't just discuss something different. |
Ageing comic Jews shouldn't be considered (in your eyes), so in that respect he's the wrong kind of Jew.
You don't need to actually say the words "wrong kid of Jew" to dismiss someone's views. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:15 - Sep 25 with 1344 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 16:11 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Did you not read the Thomas Cook/Bankers thread? Dolly doesn't do “I was wrong”. |
I am often wrong and say so when I am. Where was I wrong I that thread though? | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:16 - Sep 25 with 1340 views | footers |
| Not antisemitic on 13:09 - Sep 25 by footers |
The matter has been concluded.
Let us all go our different ways in brotherly love.
Peace, peace at last. |
Seems not, huh. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:17 - Sep 25 with 1337 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not antisemitic on 16:14 - Sep 25 by BrixtonBlue |
Ageing comic Jews shouldn't be considered (in your eyes), so in that respect he's the wrong kind of Jew.
You don't need to actually say the words "wrong kid of Jew" to dismiss someone's views. |
“Who said wrong kind of Jew”?
“Lowhouse certainly did”.
“You don't need to actually say the words "wrong kid of Jew" to dismiss someone's views”
Fcuk me you can swerve and wriggle Dollers. | |
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| Not antisemitic on 16:20 - Sep 25 with 1331 views | stewartm |
https://newspunch.com/israel-put-up-a-1000000-bounty-for-insiders-to-undermine-u
I am Jewish and I have a couple of Labour supporting friends who are fine with me and what I read and hear about anti Semitism in the Labour Party is not a reflection of the Labour Party or its policy, it seems more like a slur or an attempt to slander by right wing fanatics (some of which are on this forum).
Remember Boris is a traitor and the Tory Party are finished hahahahaha! [Post edited 25 Sep 2019 16:24]
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