| Well that didn’t go to plan 21:48 - Mar 27 with 7091 views | Samuelowen88 |
None of the options were supported.... so yup, MP’s taking back control is going well |  |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:17 - Mar 27 with 1973 views | J2BLUE |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:15 - Mar 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Suggesting that you are clutching at straws is not a tantrum. I am calm! |
Oh I see, you're just a bit thick 
If you can't see the logic in what I said then I worry about you. Tell me how you think parliament resolves this without a referendum. |  |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:18 - Mar 27 with 1972 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:16 - Mar 27 by J2BLUE |
I'm in. |
Excellent. I'll get Footers to send the paperwork over. Would you be open to changing your avatar to something more aligned with both of our aims? [Post edited 27 Mar 2019 23:22]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:21 - Mar 27 with 1962 views | gazzer1999 |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:17 - Mar 27 by SpruceMoose |
The first referendum said 'we want to leave'. It didn't answer 'how do we leave?' as we weren't even asked that. That's what a second referendum would give people the chance to look at, despite our politicians inability to articulate what that even looks like.
Is this how you want to leave?
More democracy can never be less democracy. |
How we leave? what like in my blue coat and trousers?Have you actually read the leave document? and I mean all of it. |  | | |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:23 - Mar 27 with 1950 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:21 - Mar 27 by gazzer1999 |
How we leave? what like in my blue coat and trousers?Have you actually read the leave document? and I mean all of it. |
Have you been drinking again Gazza? I ask because you've rocked up here with a bucket of fried chicken and waving your rod about
The first referendum didn't set out terms for leaving.
Once those are established, seems right to put it to everyone again. [Post edited 27 Mar 2019 23:24]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:26 - Mar 27 with 1932 views | Seablu |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 22:06 - Mar 27 by pickles110564 |
But may will dissolve this sitting and restart Parliament which means her vote can come back again and this time the Labour leave MP's will vote for it. |
When you learn to write and punctuate correctly you might actually be taken semi-seriously. |  | | |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:26 - Mar 27 with 1919 views | footers |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:21 - Mar 27 by gazzer1999 |
How we leave? what like in my blue coat and trousers?Have you actually read the leave document? and I mean all of it. |
Have you finished The Hungry Caterpillar? |  |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:30 - Mar 27 with 1908 views | pointofblue |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:17 - Mar 27 by SpruceMoose |
The first referendum said 'we want to leave'. It didn't answer 'how do we leave?' as we weren't even asked that. That's what a second referendum would give people the chance to look at, despite our politicians inability to articulate what that even looks like.
Is this how you want to leave?
More democracy can never be less democracy. |
And because of that (and I say this as a Remainer) then No Deal Brexit has to be on the ballot with a preferential vote between that, exiting with the tabled deal and Remain. After Brexit was voted for one clear option of leaving shouldn’t be removed simply because those in the Commons feels it’s the wrong choice. Take No Deal off the table and the far right will be fuelled - possibly strains of the far left too - resulting in a more unpleasant and split country than we reside in now.
Furthermore, it’s more likely to get support in the Commons if the options are as varied as possible; Brexiteers and Remainers might see it as a way to get what they want. |  |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:30 - Mar 27 with 1904 views | J2BLUE |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:26 - Mar 27 by footers |
Have you finished The Hungry Caterpillar? |
Don't spoil the ending please. | |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:32 - Mar 27 with 1892 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:30 - Mar 27 by pointofblue |
And because of that (and I say this as a Remainer) then No Deal Brexit has to be on the ballot with a preferential vote between that, exiting with the tabled deal and Remain. After Brexit was voted for one clear option of leaving shouldn’t be removed simply because those in the Commons feels it’s the wrong choice. Take No Deal off the table and the far right will be fuelled - possibly strains of the far left too - resulting in a more unpleasant and split country than we reside in now.
Furthermore, it’s more likely to get support in the Commons if the options are as varied as possible; Brexiteers and Remainers might see it as a way to get what they want. |
Having no deal on the ballot is like having euthanasia as a potential treatment plan for appendicitis! | |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:33 - Mar 27 with 1876 views | J2BLUE |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:32 - Mar 27 by SpruceMoose |
Having no deal on the ballot is like having euthanasia as a potential treatment plan for appendicitis! |
Meh let them have it. It hasn't got anywhere near the support to win and will divide the pro Brexit campaign as they argue over what type of Brexit is the true Brexit. Remain can focus on the positives and let the leave campaigns destroy each other. | |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:35 - Mar 27 with 1871 views | footers |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:30 - Mar 27 by J2BLUE |
Don't spoil the ending please. |
Sadly, I already know the answer as gazzer1999's review was published in the Paris Review of Books last week. I shall let you read his startling conclusions for yourself. Most illuminating. | |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:36 - Mar 27 with 1869 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:33 - Mar 27 by J2BLUE |
Meh let them have it. It hasn't got anywhere near the support to win and will divide the pro Brexit campaign as they argue over what type of Brexit is the true Brexit. Remain can focus on the positives and let the leave campaigns destroy each other. |
I'm not so confident that a no deal referendum choice won't be lied about and fudged around so much that it starts to appeal to people. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:38 - Mar 27 with 1854 views | J2BLUE |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:36 - Mar 27 by SpruceMoose |
I'm not so confident that a no deal referendum choice won't be lied about and fudged around so much that it starts to appeal to people. |
Hmm. I suppose if we're Cersei's army there is a chance the white walkers win and the Night King raises Jon's dead army against Cersei.
I think the softer option would win though and splitting their campaign seems like a golden opportunity. | |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:40 - Mar 27 with 1837 views | pointofblue |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:36 - Mar 27 by SpruceMoose |
I'm not so confident that a no deal referendum choice won't be lied about and fudged around so much that it starts to appeal to people. |
On a preferential vote basis I think the deal will get to 50% after the first and second choices are counted as it’s the compromise option. I really cannot see No Deal Brexit managing that bearing in mind the split was just over a million votes in a head to head in 2016.
Either way I think it’s a risk which will need to be taken; if No Deal is removed from the ballot without the people having an option to vote for it it’ll be seen as a parliamentary fudge, even by some who wouldn't have voted for it but see it as an understandable option considering the first referendum result. | |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:40 - Mar 27 with 1836 views | XYZ |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:30 - Mar 27 by J2BLUE |
Don't spoil the ending please. |
Says the board's butterfly. | | | |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:41 - Mar 27 with 1827 views | footers |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:40 - Mar 27 by XYZ |
Says the board's butterfly. |
Natural Lib Dem. | |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:48 - Mar 27 with 1801 views | Guthrum |
Surprise!
(Not surprised) |  |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:57 - Mar 27 with 1774 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:32 - Mar 27 by SpruceMoose |
Having no deal on the ballot is like having euthanasia as a potential treatment plan for appendicitis! |
But do you disagree with their logic? Makes sense to me......apart from I would expect the result to still be close one way or the other.....the genie is out of the bottle. |  |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 00:16 - Mar 28 with 1742 views | XYZ |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:41 - Mar 27 by footers |
Natural Lib Dem. |
Natural free thinker still exploring. Doesn't sit on the fence. Hurdles it when he decides to, intelligently and unapologetically.
Nothing like a lib dem really. | | | |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 08:47 - Mar 28 with 1671 views | flimflam |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 21:54 - Mar 27 by Sarge |
Most popular option was a second referendum. How many times will May’s deal have to lose before it gets accepted? This is a weird kind of democracy. |
But it still lost the vote?
How can losing something be twisted into almost winning so thats good enough? |  |
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| Well that didn’t go to plan on 08:56 - Mar 28 with 1665 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Well that didn’t go to plan on 23:40 - Mar 27 by pointofblue |
On a preferential vote basis I think the deal will get to 50% after the first and second choices are counted as it’s the compromise option. I really cannot see No Deal Brexit managing that bearing in mind the split was just over a million votes in a head to head in 2016.
Either way I think it’s a risk which will need to be taken; if No Deal is removed from the ballot without the people having an option to vote for it it’ll be seen as a parliamentary fudge, even by some who wouldn't have voted for it but see it as an understandable option considering the first referendum result. |
I think sky were reporting their poll showing 46 % would back no deal last night in another referendum. So on transferrable votes it would all be equally close/divisive again and if the dispossessed turn out again then leave probably win again imho. | |
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