| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... 17:30 - Mar 27 with 10993 views | J2BLUE |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:44 - Mar 27 with 2332 views | giant_stow |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:40 - Mar 27 by sparks |
She seems to be putting country above party and personal interest. She'd ratehr go than lose what she considers the best solution. |
I'd say she's protecting her deal and therefore own legacy. She's also trying to save the Tories from eating themselves like they would if the deal didn't pass. All so we can be worse off and with less power than before. It's shameful, a total dereliction of duty to the country. |  |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:50 - Mar 27 with 2321 views | Trequartista |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:40 - Mar 27 by sparks |
She seems to be putting country above party and personal interest. She'd ratehr go than lose what she considers the best solution. |
If she was putting the country first, she would have delivered a brexit without her red lines. She refuses to budge because the Conservative Party would implode, and at precisely the time it is slipping away in Parliament she is complicit in a deal with brexiteers.
Having let the dust settle a bit, I am now not so certain it is going to get through. The DUP may be a lot of things but propping up her Government to sacrifice what they cannot stand in her deal i do not think is going to happen. |  |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:50 - Mar 27 with 2321 views | LeoMuff |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:44 - Mar 27 by giant_stow |
I'd say she's protecting her deal and therefore own legacy. She's also trying to save the Tories from eating themselves like they would if the deal didn't pass. All so we can be worse off and with less power than before. It's shameful, a total dereliction of duty to the country. |
How can this deal, which was openly painted as the worst of all worlds, worse than remaining for the Erg now be ok, just because we lose Maybot ?
I really don’t get the thinking here, I thought this deal was so unpopular it set HOC records, it’s bizarre. |  |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:02 - Mar 27 with 2299 views | gordon |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:50 - Mar 27 by LeoMuff |
How can this deal, which was openly painted as the worst of all worlds, worse than remaining for the Erg now be ok, just because we lose Maybot ?
I really don’t get the thinking here, I thought this deal was so unpopular it set HOC records, it’s bizarre. |
It was never really about the Withdrawal agreement except for the DUP. The deal barely covers anything - it agrees a fee to cover outstanding liabilities, that EU/UK won't kick out the others citizens, and describes how we will deal with the Irish border until we've got a full deal in place.
For Labour, opposition was to put pressure on a weak PM, for the Tory remainers it was to try to overturn Brexit, and for the ERG it was to try and push us to a cliff-edge brexit. But in practical terms, no-one really disagrees with what's in the withdrawal agreement. [Post edited 27 Mar 2019 20:03]
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:09 - Mar 27 with 2286 views | giant_stow |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:02 - Mar 27 by gordon |
It was never really about the Withdrawal agreement except for the DUP. The deal barely covers anything - it agrees a fee to cover outstanding liabilities, that EU/UK won't kick out the others citizens, and describes how we will deal with the Irish border until we've got a full deal in place.
For Labour, opposition was to put pressure on a weak PM, for the Tory remainers it was to try to overturn Brexit, and for the ERG it was to try and push us to a cliff-edge brexit. But in practical terms, no-one really disagrees with what's in the withdrawal agreement. [Post edited 27 Mar 2019 20:03]
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Not even the backstop? Personally, I think that's worse than hard brexit.
I could be muddled* and confused, but I'd say you're very wrong in your assessment there.
*Very late edit:, clearly a bit emotional [Post edited 27 Mar 2019 20:20]
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:10 - Mar 27 with 2281 views | pickles110564 |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 18:48 - Mar 27 by footers |
Depends if MV3 will even be allowed to be put again. Can they change it substantially enough to override Bercow's ruling? Doubt it, given May's previous positions. |
She will shut down parliament and start a new session which will allow the vote to come back. |  | | |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:12 - Mar 27 with 2271 views | pickles110564 |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:07 - Mar 27 by jas0999 |
Shameful stuff. Tory MPs now voting for a deal they said was rubbish. |
Will of the people. | | | |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:15 - Mar 27 with 2256 views | sparks |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:50 - Mar 27 by Trequartista |
If she was putting the country first, she would have delivered a brexit without her red lines. She refuses to budge because the Conservative Party would implode, and at precisely the time it is slipping away in Parliament she is complicit in a deal with brexiteers.
Having let the dust settle a bit, I am now not so certain it is going to get through. The DUP may be a lot of things but propping up her Government to sacrifice what they cannot stand in her deal i do not think is going to happen. |
Stop buying Corbyn's narrative about red lines.
These "red lines" are basically the fundamental tenets of leaving the EU- nothing more, and nothing unreasonable or dogmatic. To leave without the benefits, and lose the influence, would be utterly stupid. |  |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:17 - Mar 27 with 2245 views | LeoMuff |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:02 - Mar 27 by gordon |
It was never really about the Withdrawal agreement except for the DUP. The deal barely covers anything - it agrees a fee to cover outstanding liabilities, that EU/UK won't kick out the others citizens, and describes how we will deal with the Irish border until we've got a full deal in place.
For Labour, opposition was to put pressure on a weak PM, for the Tory remainers it was to try to overturn Brexit, and for the ERG it was to try and push us to a cliff-edge brexit. But in practical terms, no-one really disagrees with what's in the withdrawal agreement. [Post edited 27 Mar 2019 20:03]
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Well if they were only disagreeing with it for political purposes, why go so overtop in comments in the press eg worse than no deal, a suicide belt, deranged, humiliating. | |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:20 - Mar 27 with 2237 views | sparks |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:17 - Mar 27 by LeoMuff |
Well if they were only disagreeing with it for political purposes, why go so overtop in comments in the press eg worse than no deal, a suicide belt, deranged, humiliating. |
Their comments are correct. Thats the most concerning thing. The backstop could well mean that we leave, but are still stuck to the EU's whim forever, with no proper means of detaching ourselves. It puts all the power for negotiations in their court as well- because they can simply hold it over us. Its an awful arrangement which is constitutionally objectionable for that reason.
Politicans who took the same view but will now vote for it in self interest deserve our utter contempt. | |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:22 - Mar 27 with 2226 views | Darth_Koont |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 18:00 - Mar 27 by factual_blue |
Nice oxymoron there.
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Best image of a swivel-eyed loon yet. |  |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:22 - Mar 27 with 2226 views | pickles110564 |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:20 - Mar 27 by sparks |
Their comments are correct. Thats the most concerning thing. The backstop could well mean that we leave, but are still stuck to the EU's whim forever, with no proper means of detaching ourselves. It puts all the power for negotiations in their court as well- because they can simply hold it over us. Its an awful arrangement which is constitutionally objectionable for that reason.
Politicans who took the same view but will now vote for it in self interest deserve our utter contempt. |
Or they have tried their best to change it but have realised they will possibly lose Brexit and can negogiate again during the next phase with a leaver in control. | | | |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:23 - Mar 27 with 2221 views | giant_stow |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:20 - Mar 27 by sparks |
Their comments are correct. Thats the most concerning thing. The backstop could well mean that we leave, but are still stuck to the EU's whim forever, with no proper means of detaching ourselves. It puts all the power for negotiations in their court as well- because they can simply hold it over us. Its an awful arrangement which is constitutionally objectionable for that reason.
Politicans who took the same view but will now vote for it in self interest deserve our utter contempt. |
Being in the backstop would also make our negotiating position even weaker in the next stage. It's actually beyond contempt. | |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:31 - Mar 27 with 2194 views | sparks |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:23 - Mar 27 by giant_stow |
Being in the backstop would also make our negotiating position even weaker in the next stage. It's actually beyond contempt. |
That was my point. Its a constant threat under the table in negotiations.
There is no obvious solution to the issue- and right now I cant see how it is ever going to be solved to the EUs satisfaction which means we lose all the benefits of the EU but retain the position of being in its thrall. | |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:41 - Mar 27 with 2174 views | XYZ |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:31 - Mar 27 by sparks |
That was my point. Its a constant threat under the table in negotiations.
There is no obvious solution to the issue- and right now I cant see how it is ever going to be solved to the EUs satisfaction which means we lose all the benefits of the EU but retain the position of being in its thrall. |
"retain the position of being in its thrall. "
What do you mean by this? It just sounds like a wolf whistle.
I'd rather be in the EU's "thrall" than that of 120,000 tory members with an average age of about 70. |  | | |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:46 - Mar 27 with 2156 views | Ftnfwest |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 19:07 - Mar 27 by jas0999 |
Shameful stuff. Tory MPs now voting for a deal they said was rubbish. |
What changing their mind over brexit? Only they could do that... |  | | |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:50 - Mar 27 with 2143 views | footers |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:31 - Mar 27 by sparks |
That was my point. Its a constant threat under the table in negotiations.
There is no obvious solution to the issue- and right now I cant see how it is ever going to be solved to the EUs satisfaction which means we lose all the benefits of the EU but retain the position of being in its thrall. |
There is an obvious solution - tell all the idiots that parliament is sovereign and we're revoking A50. Tough titties. |  |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:57 - Mar 27 with 2121 views | gordon |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:41 - Mar 27 by XYZ |
"retain the position of being in its thrall. "
What do you mean by this? It just sounds like a wolf whistle.
I'd rather be in the EU's "thrall" than that of 120,000 tory members with an average age of about 70. |
That's the point - these arguments only make any sense if you accept the narrative that the EU are out to do a number on us. | | | |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 21:00 - Mar 27 with 2111 views | Trequartista |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:15 - Mar 27 by sparks |
Stop buying Corbyn's narrative about red lines.
These "red lines" are basically the fundamental tenets of leaving the EU- nothing more, and nothing unreasonable or dogmatic. To leave without the benefits, and lose the influence, would be utterly stupid. |
Corbyn never entered my mind - we voted to leave the EU, there were no further details on the ballot paper. Therefore any situation where we leave the EU fulfils that mandate. Any benefits or pitfalls resulting from how we leave are purely predictive and subjective.
I agree wholeheartedly with you on the opportunism of Johnson et al, but I believe May has pursued the only line that respects the referendum and keeps her party together. That's not a shameful position but it is party above country. | |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 21:02 - Mar 27 with 2105 views | Darth_Koont |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:57 - Mar 27 by gordon |
That's the point - these arguments only make any sense if you accept the narrative that the EU are out to do a number on us. |
"The EU are out to do a number on the citizens of the UK, Greece and Italy."
So say the British, Greek and Italian politicians and influencers who have done a number on their own citizens. | |
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| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 21:06 - Mar 27 with 2097 views | XYZ |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 21:02 - Mar 27 by Darth_Koont |
"The EU are out to do a number on the citizens of the UK, Greece and Italy."
So say the British, Greek and Italian politicians and influencers who have done a number on their own citizens. |
Quite - classic distraction theft. | | | |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 21:18 - Mar 27 with 2071 views | gordon |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:17 - Mar 27 by LeoMuff |
Well if they were only disagreeing with it for political purposes, why go so overtop in comments in the press eg worse than no deal, a suicide belt, deranged, humiliating. |
The language from Rees-Mogg and Johnson et al. is more a consequence of the fact that they don't really understand the choices implied by Brexit. We were always going to have to do something like the backstop, their 'anger' is a way to shift the blame for that away from themselves. | | | |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 21:25 - Mar 27 with 2056 views | syntaxerror |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 20:12 - Mar 27 by pickles110564 |
Will of the people. |
At the moment its the will of 10 people, some of whom think the world is 4000 years old, and at least one who wanted to take up arms to break the Good Friday agreement. |  | | |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 21:38 - Mar 27 with 2029 views | pickles110564 |
| May will stand down when Brexit is delivered... on 21:02 - Mar 27 by Darth_Koont |
"The EU are out to do a number on the citizens of the UK, Greece and Italy."
So say the British, Greek and Italian politicians and influencers who have done a number on their own citizens. |
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