| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income 14:35 - Feb 11 with 18824 views | jaseitfc |
A report here from the BBC on how the pilot is going in Finland
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-42988734
I think this is a good idea if there is enough job creation in the economy, and will create incentive for people to work, its also less socialist in practice than a benefits system as people currently in work receive the monthly payment, which is basically receiving some of your tax contribution back (highest rate is 31% for the highest salaries, which is surprisingly low for a Nordic country)
Scotland has the same size as Finland and I think it could work better for them than their current benefits system - but they do need the jobs in there economy to justify the system in regard to getting people into work, presumably extra disposable income for people currently in work could contribute to an economic boost + job creation?
whether it could work in England or not is another matter, the larger population south of the border may make it trickier.
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| Scotland looking at brining in universal basic income on 14:37 - Feb 11 with 8141 views | J2BLUE |
Love the idea, just don't see how it could ever work. Would like to be wrong. |  |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 14:53 - Feb 11 with 8096 views | Herbivore |
I think it's inevitable that a universal basic income will be implemented at some point in the future. |  |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 14:55 - Feb 11 with 8090 views | Darth_Koont |
Improvements often come from counter-intuitive ideas otherwise improvements would be obvious and we'd make them.
And it's certainly important to try different things rather than wait for societies to slowly change themselves or just break up and reorganize themselves. We used to have a good record of doing that ourselves in the Post-War years with our groundbreaking social, healthcare and education reform.
The Finns have a healthy balance of socialism and capitalism so they're already a step ahead in not falling back on traditional ideologies and ways of doing things. Their interesting and successful approach to education shows that. I'm worried that led by our politicians and media we've now become too stuck in traditional and populist thinking. |  |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 15:22 - Feb 11 with 8039 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Would be interesting to see how the pilots work, especially in some deprived areas of Scotland.
I guess its success relies wholly on the attitude of the recipients. |  |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:17 - Feb 11 with 7987 views | hampstead_blue |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 15:22 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Would be interesting to see how the pilots work, especially in some deprived areas of Scotland.
I guess its success relies wholly on the attitude of the recipients. |
Agree.
You need to deliver it with huge dollop of education and incentive. I would be terrified for the children of less educated low income parents who would just stay drunk and smoke more.
It would need to come with some pretty strong strings to make sure the children at that level don't suffer more. |  |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:35 - Feb 11 with 7970 views | gordon |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:17 - Feb 11 by hampstead_blue |
Agree.
You need to deliver it with huge dollop of education and incentive. I would be terrified for the children of less educated low income parents who would just stay drunk and smoke more.
It would need to come with some pretty strong strings to make sure the children at that level don't suffer more. |
I think the idea would be that in those sorts of examples, if it was done right, the universal basic income would hopefully replace most benefits the low income parents were receiving, so instead of being subject to the whims of DWP they had a more secure existence. |  | | |
| Scotland looking at brining in universal basic income on 16:42 - Feb 11 with 7951 views | Guthrum |
| Scotland looking at brining in universal basic income on 14:37 - Feb 11 by J2BLUE |
Love the idea, just don't see how it could ever work. Would like to be wrong. |
Might be ok in Scotland, with its smaller population. Not sure it's affordable for the whole UK, tho. |  |
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| Scotland looking at brining in universal basic income on 16:49 - Feb 11 with 7943 views | J2BLUE |
| Scotland looking at brining in universal basic income on 16:42 - Feb 11 by Guthrum |
Might be ok in Scotland, with its smaller population. Not sure it's affordable for the whole UK, tho. |
Is it really fair to give it to one part of the UK and not the other parts? I recognise that hasn't happened and it's all debate at this stage. | |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:51 - Feb 11 with 7941 views | BlueBadger |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:35 - Feb 11 by gordon |
I think the idea would be that in those sorts of examples, if it was done right, the universal basic income would hopefully replace most benefits the low income parents were receiving, so instead of being subject to the whims of DWP they had a more secure existence. |
Done right as well, there could be a substantial saving in admin costs, if the whole thing is streamlined to that extent. |  |
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| Scotland looking at brining in universal basic income on 16:55 - Feb 11 with 7927 views | gordon |
| Scotland looking at brining in universal basic income on 16:49 - Feb 11 by J2BLUE |
Is it really fair to give it to one part of the UK and not the other parts? I recognise that hasn't happened and it's all debate at this stage. |
Well, there are actually four council areas in Scotland that have been asked to trial it. Could imagine that on the borders of those council areas it could be a bit divisive.
But regardless, I'm looking forward to ditching the day job and getting the watercolours out. | | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:57 - Feb 11 with 7918 views | crunchie1978 |
Well then you'd have to sort the immigration out.....every man and his dog would be clambering to get over here. | | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:57 - Feb 11 with 7917 views | BlueBadger |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:57 - Feb 11 by crunchie1978 |
Well then you'd have to sort the immigration out.....every man and his dog would be clambering to get over here. |
You could separate them out easily by not allowing in anyone who doesn't know the difference between 'clamouring' and 'clambering'. | |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:58 - Feb 11 with 7910 views | gordon |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:57 - Feb 11 by BlueBadger |
You could separate them out easily by not allowing in anyone who doesn't know the difference between 'clamouring' and 'clambering'. |
Zinger! | | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:01 - Feb 11 with 7905 views | crunchie1978 |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 16:57 - Feb 11 by BlueBadger |
You could separate them out easily by not allowing in anyone who doesn't know the difference between 'clamouring' and 'clambering'. |
Oh sorry....grammar police in full flow. | | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:02 - Feb 11 with 7903 views | BlueBadger |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:01 - Feb 11 by crunchie1978 |
Oh sorry....grammar police in full flow. |
Sorry, too late, you're going to have to go. | |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:04 - Feb 11 with 7898 views | crunchie1978 |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:02 - Feb 11 by BlueBadger |
Sorry, too late, you're going to have to go. |
Where? Scotland....free money? | | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:07 - Feb 11 with 7891 views | BlueBadger |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:04 - Feb 11 by crunchie1978 |
Where? Scotland....free money? |
They're doing swap deal, exchange one useless Brit for an immigrant who knows how to speak English. | |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:10 - Feb 11 with 7878 views | crunchie1978 |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:07 - Feb 11 by BlueBadger |
They're doing swap deal, exchange one useless Brit for an immigrant who knows how to speak English. |
Well should that not read...."they are doing a swap deal".....not " they're doing swap deal"......sounds like they might get two for one! | | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:11 - Feb 11 with 7877 views | BlueBadger |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:10 - Feb 11 by crunchie1978 |
Well should that not read...."they are doing a swap deal".....not " they're doing swap deal"......sounds like they might get two for one! |
I'm already on my way to evening classes to learn Portuguese. | |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:12 - Feb 11 with 7867 views | crunchie1978 |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:07 - Feb 11 by BlueBadger |
They're doing swap deal, exchange one useless Brit for an immigrant who knows how to speak English. |
And a brit????????
Country of birth and origin is England dear boy. | | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:18 - Feb 11 with 7856 views | BlueBadger |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:12 - Feb 11 by crunchie1978 |
And a brit????????
Country of birth and origin is England dear boy. |
Your passport says 'British'. | |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:18 - Feb 11 with 7857 views | Darth_Koont |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:12 - Feb 11 by crunchie1978 |
And a brit????????
Country of birth and origin is England dear boy. |
Get behind Britain, you traitor.
Typical that you're over here not wanting to assimilate or learn the language. | |
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| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:27 - Feb 11 with 7838 views | crunchie1978 |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:18 - Feb 11 by BlueBadger |
Your passport says 'British'. |
Makes no difference....i class myself as English. | | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:27 - Feb 11 with 7833 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
So they're giving the unemployed free money? |  | | |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:28 - Feb 11 with 7826 views | crunchie1978 |
| Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 17:18 - Feb 11 by Darth_Koont |
Get behind Britain, you traitor.
Typical that you're over here not wanting to assimilate or learn the language. |
No | | | |
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