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I think this is a good idea if there is enough job creation in the economy, and will create incentive for people to work, its also less socialist in practice than a benefits system as people currently in work receive the monthly payment, which is basically receiving some of your tax contribution back (highest rate is 31% for the highest salaries, which is surprisingly low for a Nordic country)
Scotland has the same size as Finland and I think it could work better for them than their current benefits system - but they do need the jobs in there economy to justify the system in regard to getting people into work, presumably extra disposable income for people currently in work could contribute to an economic boost + job creation?
whether it could work in England or not is another matter, the larger population south of the border may make it trickier.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:14 - Feb 11 with 4035 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:11 - Feb 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
Seems utopian nonsense to me but I'm interested in reading in more detail.
Giving someone 125 quid a week is suddenly going to solve everyone's problems or make them realize their dreams. People will still be unhappy, stressed and poor.
That's the spirit!
It isn't about money in the way you are thinking. Try to park that and open your mind a bit.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:16 - Feb 11 with 4027 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:13 - Feb 11 by J2BLUE
I'm unhappy and stressed now. It would solve both of those for me.
Again, like you, i'm really not convinced it's viable. I'd like to see some feasibility studies done though.
Honestly can you tell me how? Not meaning to pry I'm just interested for a realivetly small amount of money. Is your unhappiness all linked to money, this would suggest yes? So for that amount of money your life would massively change? You have the ability to do that, anyone does, find a new job, read some uplifting books. Make a change for the better!
Life is too short to be stressed and unhappy.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:16 - Feb 11 with 4025 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 18:33 - Feb 11 by jaseitfc
Some points on that
1) has Finland seen a surge in migration, and if Scotland implemented it do you think people will rush over the border from England to benefit from it?
2) you could just put a time delay on it, so you only get it after living in Scotland for 2 years or something.
3) people don't move to different countries solely for benefits, theres many other pull factors
4) even if there was a lot of migration to Scotland as a result, that is actually part of the UK that could benefit from a bit of a rise in migration!
Sorry I meant that on being introduced in England
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:20 - Feb 11 with 4017 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:16 - Feb 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
Honestly can you tell me how? Not meaning to pry I'm just interested for a realivetly small amount of money. Is your unhappiness all linked to money, this would suggest yes? So for that amount of money your life would massively change? You have the ability to do that, anyone does, find a new job, read some uplifting books. Make a change for the better!
Life is too short to be stressed and unhappy.
My job is the source of my unhappiness and stress. I would be able to quit and not worry too much if I didn't find something else immediately.
Back in the real world I am trying to make positive changes. I've had two interviews in the last week. One i've been rejected for, the other I haven't heard back yet. I am praying I will be able to post a thread on here tomorrow saying I have a new job. It's perfect for me. I'll be gutted if I don't get it. I'm trying.
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:20 - Feb 11 by J2BLUE
My job is the source of my unhappiness and stress. I would be able to quit and not worry too much if I didn't find something else immediately.
Back in the real world I am trying to make positive changes. I've had two interviews in the last week. One i've been rejected for, the other I haven't heard back yet. I am praying I will be able to post a thread on here tomorrow saying I have a new job. It's perfect for me. I'll be gutted if I don't get it. I'm trying.
Good luck mate!
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:22 - Feb 11 with 4007 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:14 - Feb 11 by tcblue
That's the spirit!
It isn't about money in the way you are thinking. Try to park that and open your mind a bit.
Hmmmm not going to lie I am struggling with this concept.
If you think of the money.....
Ok so I am trying to use myself as an example. I am early 30s and debt free. So if I got it 600 dollars a month, it would reduce my rent to by $600 or increase the amount I save or put in investments a month by $600. Would that make me happier, yes I guess. Less stressed, not really. More productive? I doubt it considering I get paid monthly based on my results anyway.
If some of my friends and colleagues get this amount of money it would be different for all. Some it would make a massive impact on and others wouldn't even notice. I have friends with college debts of hundreds of thousands and others that own $750k apartments. That's my point every circumstance is different so how can you put monetary value on basic income. People would use the additional for kind of different things, including bad things. You can't just give an entire population money when millions of people have already proved they can't manage what they have.
Is the entire point initiative to reduce the gap between rich and poor or to try and give those below the poverty line a better standard of living? If so it doesn't seem to promote my meritocratic society idea.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:52 - Feb 11 with 3965 views
So all these low paid jobs that nobody wants to do will have to become better paid, you'll have jobs that people will enjoy doing being the new minimum wage jobs and the minimum wage jobs now could become well paid....
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:52 - Feb 11 by strikalite
So all these low paid jobs that nobody wants to do will have to become better paid, you'll have jobs that people will enjoy doing being the new minimum wage jobs and the minimum wage jobs now could become well paid....
It doesn't always work like that though does it? Where is this extra money for low skilled jobs going to come from?
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:58 - Feb 11 with 3958 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 19:52 - Feb 11 by strikalite
So all these low paid jobs that nobody wants to do will have to become better paid, you'll have jobs that people will enjoy doing being the new minimum wage jobs and the minimum wage jobs now could become well paid....
The point is, the lower skilled jobs are becoming automated. UBI is a potential answer to the question "what happens to the truck drivers when the trucks drive themselves?".
It isn't about hand-outs, it isn't about communism. Most of all, it isn't about money. It's a potential answer to a question which is coming at pace and will cause big economic problems.
That's my last go at this thread. I would recommend reading up about it, if it does still interest you.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:02 - Feb 11 with 3949 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:01 - Feb 11 by tcblue
The point is, the lower skilled jobs are becoming automated. UBI is a potential answer to the question "what happens to the truck drivers when the trucks drive themselves?".
It isn't about hand-outs, it isn't about communism. Most of all, it isn't about money. It's a potential answer to a question which is coming at pace and will cause big economic problems.
That's my last go at this thread. I would recommend reading up about it, if it does still interest you.
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Things evolve along with technology. Pilots don't really fly planes these days but they're still needed, obviously.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:06 - Feb 11 with 3942 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:01 - Feb 11 by tcblue
The point is, the lower skilled jobs are becoming automated. UBI is a potential answer to the question "what happens to the truck drivers when the trucks drive themselves?".
It isn't about hand-outs, it isn't about communism. Most of all, it isn't about money. It's a potential answer to a question which is coming at pace and will cause big economic problems.
That's my last go at this thread. I would recommend reading up about it, if it does still interest you.
[Post edited 11 Feb 2018 20:04]
Indeed. In these current times, a government that gets ahead of the job market rather than responds to it can help ensure there's not an underclass left on the scrapheap when things change.
Given how well we've managed the move from industrial production to the service economy in this country, a lot of people in a lot of areas are going to be even more screwed than they are now. Unless we change our approach ...
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:12 - Feb 11 with 3927 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:06 - Feb 11 by Darth_Koont
Indeed. In these current times, a government that gets ahead of the job market rather than responds to it can help ensure there's not an underclass left on the scrapheap when things change.
Given how well we've managed the move from industrial production to the service economy in this country, a lot of people in a lot of areas are going to be even more screwed than they are now. Unless we change our approach ...
Less people is the answer although we're constantly being told we need more!
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:12 - Feb 11 with 3927 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:06 - Feb 11 by Darth_Koont
Indeed. In these current times, a government that gets ahead of the job market rather than responds to it can help ensure there's not an underclass left on the scrapheap when things change.
Given how well we've managed the move from industrial production to the service economy in this country, a lot of people in a lot of areas are going to be even more screwed than they are now. Unless we change our approach ...
Efficiency can actually be a good thing and allow companies to grow, boost the economy and create more jobs.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:21 - Feb 11 with 3908 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:21 - Feb 11 by Darth_Koont
Course it can be. Taking care of people can make a healthy economy happy and sustainable as well.
Which is basically how the best companies are run nowadays.
But the robots are taking over so we have to give everyone free money!
Agree always given my company good props for that. Free financial and health consultations from professionals and a decent share plan. I've only worked for one firm though so don't know if its the norm for the big companies or not.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:50 - Feb 11 with 3874 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:50 - Feb 11 by Lord_Lucan
Right.
I'm really tired, absolutely fit to drop - and feeling very lazy. I struggled to even focus on the report.
So, someone please sum it up.
Is every employer having to pay everyone £600 a month - even if part time?
Are the jobless all getting £600 a month for doing nothing?
Thanks in advance.
State provides 500 quid a month as basic income I believe, everyone entitled to it, employed, unemployed, the underclass as well as the high flyers.
I think it's because some people are unhappy at work and the robots are about to take over. Apparently it will solve everything. That's how I understand it.
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Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:57 - Feb 11 with 3864 views
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:56 - Feb 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
State provides 500 quid a month as basic income I believe, everyone entitled to it, employed, unemployed, the underclass as well as the high flyers.
I think it's because some people are unhappy at work and the robots are about to take over. Apparently it will solve everything. That's how I understand it.
Scotland looking at bringing in universal basic income on 20:56 - Feb 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior
State provides 500 quid a month as basic income I believe, everyone entitled to it, employed, unemployed, the underclass as well as the high flyers.
I think it's because some people are unhappy at work and the robots are about to take over. Apparently it will solve everything. That's how I understand it.
Ah ok.
Who the feck is going to bother to go to work then?
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