| Over to you Keir 10:45 - Feb 12 with 7882 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Over to you Keir on 10:51 - Feb 12 with 3675 views | Pinewoodblue |
You can disown a candidate but once election is called and nominations made you can’t change them.
Someone needs to explain how he was selected as candidate, thought selection was masterminded by Labour HQ. |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 10:54 - Feb 12 with 3659 views | Keno |
I think that starmers option pre by election may be limited as this guy is already named
But it does high light a massive issue for labour in that haven’t really purged these views and it creates the whole “if you vote for Starmer this is what you get agenda”
Cue picture of Starmer with a hamas terrorist behind him |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 10:59 - Feb 12 with 3622 views | blueasfook |
George Galloway is a candidate in that by-election too? Arf! I pity the poor folk of Rochdale who have these two specimens to choose from. |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 10:59 - Feb 12 with 3627 views | DJR |
| Over to you Keir on 10:51 - Feb 12 by Pinewoodblue |
You can disown a candidate but once election is called and nominations made you can’t change them.
Someone needs to explain how he was selected as candidate, thought selection was masterminded by Labour HQ. |
It will have been, and surprising it wasn't picked up because vetting of social media is one thing that Labour now takes seriously when it comes to candidates.
Had this come to public attention a couple of weeks ago, I am sure he would have been replaced, and I am not sure he will be the candidate for the General Election.
On the other hand, Louise Ellman has spoken thus, which might suggest he ends up treated like Naz Shah.
"I have known Azhar for over twenty years and he consistently supported me when I was subjected to antisemitic attacks. He should now have the opportunity to work with the Jewish community to restore the loss of trust his actions have caused."
It is also interesting to note that George Galloway is in the mix, and that on the Today Programme it was suggested that the Green candidate had decided not to campaign because of anti-Muslim comments which had come to light. [Post edited 12 Feb 11:00]
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| Over to you Keir on 11:09 - Feb 12 with 3539 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The ongoing blurring of antisemitism? by BanksterDebtSlave 12 Feb 9:17https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/12/labour-criticised-for-backing-rochdale-candidate-after-offensive-israel-remark
This man's comments may or may not be accurate/insensitive....
The recording, obtained by the Mail on Sunday, had Ali saying: “The Egyptians are saying that they warned Israel 10 days earlier … Americans warned them a day before [that] … there’s something happening. They deliberately took the security off, they allowed … that massacre that gives them the green light to do whatever they bloody want.”
.....but in what sense are they antisemitic as claimed....?
'....said Joe Glasman, the head of political and government investigations at Campaign Against Antisemitism.
“This is distressingly familiar to days that Sir Keir Starmer promised were behind us. This is not tearing antisemitism out ‘by its roots.’”
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| Over to you Keir on 11:13 - Feb 12 with 3505 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Over to you Keir on 10:59 - Feb 12 by DJR |
It will have been, and surprising it wasn't picked up because vetting of social media is one thing that Labour now takes seriously when it comes to candidates.
Had this come to public attention a couple of weeks ago, I am sure he would have been replaced, and I am not sure he will be the candidate for the General Election.
On the other hand, Louise Ellman has spoken thus, which might suggest he ends up treated like Naz Shah.
"I have known Azhar for over twenty years and he consistently supported me when I was subjected to antisemitic attacks. He should now have the opportunity to work with the Jewish community to restore the loss of trust his actions have caused."
It is also interesting to note that George Galloway is in the mix, and that on the Today Programme it was suggested that the Green candidate had decided not to campaign because of anti-Muslim comments which had come to light. [Post edited 12 Feb 11:00]
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It's a terrible indictment of our political system that these candidates can't be replaced.
Anyone got any dirt on the Lib Dem, to complete the set? |  | | |
| Over to you Keir on 11:17 - Feb 12 with 3473 views | Blueschev |
| Over to you Keir on 10:59 - Feb 12 by DJR |
It will have been, and surprising it wasn't picked up because vetting of social media is one thing that Labour now takes seriously when it comes to candidates.
Had this come to public attention a couple of weeks ago, I am sure he would have been replaced, and I am not sure he will be the candidate for the General Election.
On the other hand, Louise Ellman has spoken thus, which might suggest he ends up treated like Naz Shah.
"I have known Azhar for over twenty years and he consistently supported me when I was subjected to antisemitic attacks. He should now have the opportunity to work with the Jewish community to restore the loss of trust his actions have caused."
It is also interesting to note that George Galloway is in the mix, and that on the Today Programme it was suggested that the Green candidate had decided not to campaign because of anti-Muslim comments which had come to light. [Post edited 12 Feb 11:00]
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All of this is great news for Galloway's campaign. He may well be stealing a living from us tax payers again soon.
Also, will this seat be contested again later this year if a general election is called? |  | | |
| Over to you Keir on 11:22 - Feb 12 with 3446 views | bluelagos |
That Labour can't replace him as a candidate shouldn't stop them dropping him. If the Tories had a majority in single figures could see why there would be pressure to keep him in a red rosette.
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Pretty pathetic response imho. I understand the Greens have ditched their candidate. |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 11:32 - Feb 12 with 3382 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Over to you Keir on 11:13 - Feb 12 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's a terrible indictment of our political system that these candidates can't be replaced.
Anyone got any dirt on the Lib Dem, to complete the set? |
If it is an indictment of anything it is Labour’s selection process.
When they are trying so hard to create the right image you would have thought they would have avoided anyone with the potential to rock the boat.
Perhaps they will choose more wisely for the General Election. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 11:49 - Feb 12 with 3318 views | NthQldITFC |
| Over to you Keir on 11:22 - Feb 12 by bluelagos |
That Labour can't replace him as a candidate shouldn't stop them dropping him. If the Tories had a majority in single figures could see why there would be pressure to keep him in a red rosette.
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Pretty pathetic response imho. I understand the Greens have ditched their candidate. |
I presume if they get him in and then deselect him they can have a new by-election with a new candidate, whereas if they stand down you might end up with a T*ry in there until November? |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 12:01 - Feb 12 with 3269 views | BloomBlue |
| Over to you Keir on 11:49 - Feb 12 by NthQldITFC |
I presume if they get him in and then deselect him they can have a new by-election with a new candidate, whereas if they stand down you might end up with a T*ry in there until November? |
If he wins I don't think that would automatically result in a new by-election if Labour deselect him. He can remain as an independent, as he won the seat |  | | |
| Over to you Keir on 12:12 - Feb 12 with 3221 views | Guthrum |
| Over to you Keir on 12:01 - Feb 12 by BloomBlue |
If he wins I don't think that would automatically result in a new by-election if Labour deselect him. He can remain as an independent, as he won the seat |
Indeed. Party affiliation has no bearing over an MP's holding of a seat. You are voting for the person, not the party (even if most people don't do it that way any more). |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 12:18 - Feb 12 with 3203 views | DJR |
| Over to you Keir on 11:13 - Feb 12 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's a terrible indictment of our political system that these candidates can't be replaced.
Anyone got any dirt on the Lib Dem, to complete the set? |
It's all down to the legislation, which has strict (but not overly long) timetables, for obvious reasons.
To be honest, I can't remember something like this ever happening before in the case of a main party in a national election, so it doesn't strike me as needing a law change.
The fault is Labour's, and they may well suffer, but it could be the desire to hold the by-election so soon after Tony Lloyd's death has caused them to cut corners, when there might not have been a natural successor in place. [Post edited 12 Feb 12:20]
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| Over to you Keir on 12:30 - Feb 12 with 3138 views | bluelagos |
| Over to you Keir on 11:49 - Feb 12 by NthQldITFC |
I presume if they get him in and then deselect him they can have a new by-election with a new candidate, whereas if they stand down you might end up with a T*ry in there until November? |
There would only be a byelction if he resigned.
There's around 10 or so independents at the moment - who have all been ditched by their parties or resigned - and they are all staying on and taking the salary. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 13:27 - Feb 12 with 3001 views | NthQldITFC |
| Over to you Keir on 12:30 - Feb 12 by bluelagos |
There would only be a byelction if he resigned.
There's around 10 or so independents at the moment - who have all been ditched by their parties or resigned - and they are all staying on and taking the salary. |
Good point, well made by you and others  Silly me, I did know it really but wasn't thinking straight having just seen a car called YE51 TFC which, rather childishly, excited me. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 13:35 - Feb 12 with 2977 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Over to you Keir on 11:32 - Feb 12 by Pinewoodblue |
If it is an indictment of anything it is Labour’s selection process.
When they are trying so hard to create the right image you would have thought they would have avoided anyone with the potential to rock the boat.
Perhaps they will choose more wisely for the General Election. |
How on earth would Labour know what he's going to say after they've selected him? |  |
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| Over to you Keir on 13:37 - Feb 12 with 2960 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Over to you Keir on 11:49 - Feb 12 by NthQldITFC |
I presume if they get him in and then deselect him they can have a new by-election with a new candidate, whereas if they stand down you might end up with a T*ry in there until November? |
Can you imagine how Starmer would feel if the voters of Rochdale turned to George Galloway.
More likely that a Tory winning there. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 13:41 - Feb 12 with 2932 views | DJR |
Interesting to note that Simon Danczuk, the former Labour MP for Rochdale, is standing for Reform UK. | | | |
| Over to you Keir on 14:00 - Feb 12 with 2861 views | bluelagos |
| Over to you Keir on 13:27 - Feb 12 by NthQldITFC |
Good point, well made by you and others Silly me, I did know it really but wasn't thinking straight having just seen a car called YE51 TFC which, rather childishly, excited me. |
My kid bro lives in WA and drives a car with a ITFC1978 number plate.
I tend to think personalised number plates are a bit knobbish - but fair dos if have one like that. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 14:25 - Feb 12 with 2792 views | Kievthegreat |
| Over to you Keir on 11:13 - Feb 12 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's a terrible indictment of our political system that these candidates can't be replaced.
Anyone got any dirt on the Lib Dem, to complete the set? |
I hear he wears socks with sandals. |  | | |
| Over to you Keir on 17:07 - Feb 12 with 2609 views | MattinLondon |
Why is this considered by some to be antisemitism? |  | | |
| Over to you Keir on 17:13 - Feb 12 with 2586 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Over to you Keir on 17:07 - Feb 12 by MattinLondon |
Why is this considered by some to be antisemitism? |
I have asked that a couple of times too. It does indeed seem that it can be used pretty much at will now with all the emotive implications that come with it. Fancy!
Edit...from what I can tell there is no denial that Israel was warned about the attack days in advance by Egypt and the US, so I can only presume that it is the inference he took that therefore Nethanyahoo and his right wing allies ignored the warnings for their own personal and political motives that is being called out as antisemitic. Hopefully somebody will explain to me how. [Post edited 12 Feb 17:17]
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| Over to you Keir on 17:17 - Feb 12 with 2561 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Over to you Keir on 13:35 - Feb 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How on earth would Labour know what he's going to say after they've selected him? |
He made the comments at a meeting of the Lancashire Labour Party soon after the 7/10 masacre. He was selected as the Labour candidate on just two weeks ago. | |
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| Over to you Keir on 17:21 - Feb 12 with 2555 views | positivity |
| Over to you Keir on 17:13 - Feb 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I have asked that a couple of times too. It does indeed seem that it can be used pretty much at will now with all the emotive implications that come with it. Fancy!
Edit...from what I can tell there is no denial that Israel was warned about the attack days in advance by Egypt and the US, so I can only presume that it is the inference he took that therefore Nethanyahoo and his right wing allies ignored the warnings for their own personal and political motives that is being called out as antisemitic. Hopefully somebody will explain to me how. [Post edited 12 Feb 17:17]
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i'm only guessing, but the implication that netanyahu knew AND then took border guards away from their posts tips it into conspiracy theory for me.
as to the anti-semitism angle, people with more expertise than me can let us know, please! | |
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| Over to you Keir on 17:25 - Feb 12 with 2526 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Over to you Keir on 17:07 - Feb 12 by MattinLondon |
Why is this considered by some to be antisemitism? |
We have somebody spouting age old anti-Semitic tropes, and people seemingly can't recognise them. FFS. | |
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