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Mad roof woman is easy to understand as she’s just swallowed some bull she’s seen in the Mail or on Facebook. It’s this type of person voting to leave I struggle to understand. His company depends on stock moving easily between multiple EU companies and the UK. Why on Earth would they think becoming a Third Country would be a good idea? Maybe I should have watched after all, as I’d liked to have heard why he voted to leave (if he was asked).
Man in white who voted for Brexit, "It's really difficult to get past the red tape that is in place, when we've got all of our stock sitting in the Netherlands, Belgium. Lead times are higher. Everything is more expensive." #BBCQTpic.twitter.com/8Y2vAI6iNp
Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 21:40 - Jun 22 by Swansea_Blue
Mad roof woman is easy to understand as she’s just swallowed some bull she’s seen in the Mail or on Facebook. It’s this type of person voting to leave I struggle to understand. His company depends on stock moving easily between multiple EU companies and the UK. Why on Earth would they think becoming a Third Country would be a good idea? Maybe I should have watched after all, as I’d liked to have heard why he voted to leave (if he was asked).
Man in white who voted for Brexit, "It's really difficult to get past the red tape that is in place, when we've got all of our stock sitting in the Netherlands, Belgium. Lead times are higher. Everything is more expensive." #BBCQTpic.twitter.com/8Y2vAI6iNp
And fair play too. Takes some balls to be open and honest like that on national tv.
It’s on TV later on as usual. This is the live red button/iplayer feed.
And to your point, they were lied to. And tonight the Government sent no-one to the show.
So the government won’t have a representative on @bbcquestiontime tonight. Quite something that seven years on from their flagship “achievement†they can’t face an audience made up entirely of people who voted for it. Anyone would think they were frit as Maggie used to say
I think this is the case of the old person explaining why they have lived so long.
No real idea, so they come out with "I have a bowl of custard before bed and a walnut every second Sunday in the month".
These are basically bigots/racists who don't understand how the EU works so regurgitate some horror story from the Mail, or lately kGB Views.
Now given that the producers know what you are going to ask, I have been on QT, I suspect they will question those who will gave answers to provoke wider debate about something.......that was on Question Time.
I think it's easy to laugh at someone like this, but ultimately what she says is true - in construction the levels of H&S get higher and higher and more costly via EU rules - makes business at times very difficult......but think most people get over and get on with it as generally it mostly makes sense (bar all the OTT paperwork)
But then you go to other countries in EU, especially in Southern Europe - Greece, Cyprus, Spain, Portugal (and that's before we look at old Eastern Bloc) and there are clearly next to no H&S standards applied and it is frightfully dangerous.
We are all supposed to be signed up to the same set of rules, and our firms are supposed to compete with EU firms with free trade etc, but we are hamstrung by regulations where they are ignored on the continent and therefore can't compete
Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 21:07 - Jun 22 by Swansea_Blue
Bizarre. I don’t remember seeing ‘we want to be free to kill tradespeople’ on the side of a bus.
As someone who has canvassed voters over the years, I have come to realise that many people vote more on emotion than anything else, and often vote for particularly irrational reasons. One voter in Hastings on benefits, for example, was planning to vote Tory back in 2015 because he objected to the flying of an EU flag on the town hall which he thought had been required by the EU. Sadly, trying to explain to him or them that it is not in their interests to vote as they do falls on deaf ears.
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Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 08:47 - Jun 23 with 2812 views
Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 08:37 - Jun 23 by itfcjoe
I think it's easy to laugh at someone like this, but ultimately what she says is true - in construction the levels of H&S get higher and higher and more costly via EU rules - makes business at times very difficult......but think most people get over and get on with it as generally it mostly makes sense (bar all the OTT paperwork)
But then you go to other countries in EU, especially in Southern Europe - Greece, Cyprus, Spain, Portugal (and that's before we look at old Eastern Bloc) and there are clearly next to no H&S standards applied and it is frightfully dangerous.
We are all supposed to be signed up to the same set of rules, and our firms are supposed to compete with EU firms with free trade etc, but we are hamstrung by regulations where they are ignored on the continent and therefore can't compete
A few months after the June 2016 referendum I was in New Zealand and we found ourselves surrounded by elderly French tourists at breakfast. They told us that the problem with the British was that we stuck to the rules, as in they regarded law as more of a guideline and when it was not pragmatic to follow the law then there was a justification to 'do the sensible thing'. Or. as Dicken's Mr. Bumble observed, there are times when the law is an ass. So why are the English so obedient ?
Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 08:37 - Jun 23 by itfcjoe
I think it's easy to laugh at someone like this, but ultimately what she says is true - in construction the levels of H&S get higher and higher and more costly via EU rules - makes business at times very difficult......but think most people get over and get on with it as generally it mostly makes sense (bar all the OTT paperwork)
But then you go to other countries in EU, especially in Southern Europe - Greece, Cyprus, Spain, Portugal (and that's before we look at old Eastern Bloc) and there are clearly next to no H&S standards applied and it is frightfully dangerous.
We are all supposed to be signed up to the same set of rules, and our firms are supposed to compete with EU firms with free trade etc, but we are hamstrung by regulations where they are ignored on the continent and therefore can't compete
Agreed Joe, but I can't get my head around why this woman voted for Brexit due to lacklustre H&S laws applied in Southern Europe.
Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 08:53 - Jun 23 by itfcjoe
I guess it's more that 'they' set the rules and then 'they' don't follow them whilst we do and it hurts us.
Where 'they' covers the bureaucrats in Brussels, the carpenters in Cyprus and the scaffolders in Sofia
Bit of a playground mentality that. We were always involved in setting the rules, and unless we think being massively lax on health and safety in the construction sector is a good thing then I'm not really sure what the issue is.
Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 08:59 - Jun 23 by Herbivore
Bit of a playground mentality that. We were always involved in setting the rules, and unless we think being massively lax on health and safety in the construction sector is a good thing then I'm not really sure what the issue is.
The issue is we are supposedly competing on a level footing but aren't because the EU doesn't enforce the rules across the country - so we get punished for doing the right thing and following the rules.
I think there is a similarity to some of the State Aid debates, where we play by the rules and it costs us - it seems none of the other big European powers would countenance firms from other countries taking on major infrastructure projects but we do because we follow the rules.
Maybe that is that inate Britishness mentioned above, that we are sticklers for the rules and we see that clash with British exceptionalism - but it obviously frustrated people holidaying in the EU when they see those with same rules just flouting them
Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 09:06 - Jun 23 by itfcjoe
The issue is we are supposedly competing on a level footing but aren't because the EU doesn't enforce the rules across the country - so we get punished for doing the right thing and following the rules.
I think there is a similarity to some of the State Aid debates, where we play by the rules and it costs us - it seems none of the other big European powers would countenance firms from other countries taking on major infrastructure projects but we do because we follow the rules.
Maybe that is that inate Britishness mentioned above, that we are sticklers for the rules and we see that clash with British exceptionalism - but it obviously frustrated people holidaying in the EU when they see those with same rules just flouting them
EU regulations always have been implemented at state level. If we choose to be sticklers, that is on us. To be honest, I can't say I've seen lots of Cypriot building firms over here knocking up housing developments on the cheap without so much as a hard hat in sight and I'm not sure how many UK construction firms are looking to bid to build a few villas in Greece, so not sure how the competition point holds in that instance.
On state aid, other countries didn't flout the rules, we simply weren't willing to do what was allowed within the rules ourselves because the Tories, unless it enriches them somehow, are generally against state interference in the market. They cited state aid as a reason to leave but it was repeatedly pointed out that they'd never sought to go to the limit of let alone beyond what was allowed as an EU member state. France are in the EU and were able to fully nationalise EDF during the energy crisis and we are now effectively subsidizing them. We were outside the EU and did we look to nationalise the failing energy companies, let alone take over any of the big ones so we could more closely control costs to consumers?
Brexit - it was all about the roofs apparently on 09:14 - Jun 23 by Herbivore
EU regulations always have been implemented at state level. If we choose to be sticklers, that is on us. To be honest, I can't say I've seen lots of Cypriot building firms over here knocking up housing developments on the cheap without so much as a hard hat in sight and I'm not sure how many UK construction firms are looking to bid to build a few villas in Greece, so not sure how the competition point holds in that instance.
On state aid, other countries didn't flout the rules, we simply weren't willing to do what was allowed within the rules ourselves because the Tories, unless it enriches them somehow, are generally against state interference in the market. They cited state aid as a reason to leave but it was repeatedly pointed out that they'd never sought to go to the limit of let alone beyond what was allowed as an EU member state. France are in the EU and were able to fully nationalise EDF during the energy crisis and we are now effectively subsidizing them. We were outside the EU and did we look to nationalise the failing energy companies, let alone take over any of the big ones so we could more closely control costs to consumers?
The other thing to bear in mind is that not all health and safety laws are EU derived, so maybe we just opt for higher standards here than some other countries choose to do.
And the black economy in southern Europe may also play a large part in corners being cut there, coupled perhaps with a lack of enforcement.
Having said that, enforcement may be an increasing problem here as the following indicates.
In any event, I remember when we had our kitchen done a few years ago, the apprentice carpenter only wore a mask (as he was required to do) when in the presence of someone from his college.
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