| Gareth Southgate 09:23 - Jun 21 with 3005 views | BiGDonnie |
Definitely isn't England's best asset, is he? |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 09:26 - Jun 21 with 1859 views | footers |
That Pizza Hut ad was probably him at the peak of his powers. |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 09:28 - Jun 21 with 1854 views | rickw |
I've disagreed with a lot of his decisions, but arguably qualifying from the group as second could be the best outcome and that's what we're on course to do.
The last 2 tournaments have been won by dull defensive teams who rely on their attacking stars to do something special, it seems Southgate is thinking the same, or that's what I'm telling myself anyway...... |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 09:32 - Jun 21 with 1823 views | BiGDonnie |
| Gareth Southgate on 09:26 - Jun 21 by footers |
That Pizza Hut ad was probably him at the peak of his powers. |
He'd definitely pick pineapple on his pizza over a fully fit, experienced and in form pepperoni, that's for sure! | |
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| Gareth Southgate on 09:33 - Jun 21 with 1816 views | BiGDonnie |
| Gareth Southgate on 09:28 - Jun 21 by rickw |
I've disagreed with a lot of his decisions, but arguably qualifying from the group as second could be the best outcome and that's what we're on course to do.
The last 2 tournaments have been won by dull defensive teams who rely on their attacking stars to do something special, it seems Southgate is thinking the same, or that's what I'm telling myself anyway...... |
He's out of his depth, plain and simple.
His selection has been worse than shocking. He's left put us/himself in a proper awkward situation now against Czech, needing a win and having no idea of his best 11.
Southgate Out. | |
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| Gareth Southgate on 09:44 - Jun 21 with 1778 views | Guthrum |
| Gareth Southgate on 09:33 - Jun 21 by BiGDonnie |
He's out of his depth, plain and simple.
His selection has been worse than shocking. He's left put us/himself in a proper awkward situation now against Czech, needing a win and having no idea of his best 11.
Southgate Out. |
Hardly an awkward situation. England are almost certainly through to the knock-out stages even if we lose. A draw and we'll definitely be in the top two (bear in mind we've not conceded a single goal yet). |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 09:51 - Jun 21 with 1750 views | Simonds92 |
In his 1 tournament so far he's reached the semi final. Also got us to the final of that Euro league thing. He's drawn one game and suddenly he's not good enough! (France drew with Hungary the other day, where was the outcry then?!). Head and shoulders above anyone we've had in 20 odd years and crucial to the culture he has created within the current group. The fact that players all get on, can speak to the media so well and dont feel the weight of the shirt is a really underestimated improvement he established, we cannot be successful without that. [Post edited 21 Jun 2021 9:53]
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| Gareth Southgate on 09:56 - Jun 21 with 1704 views | vilanovablue |
| Gareth Southgate on 09:51 - Jun 21 by Simonds92 |
In his 1 tournament so far he's reached the semi final. Also got us to the final of that Euro league thing. He's drawn one game and suddenly he's not good enough! (France drew with Hungary the other day, where was the outcry then?!). Head and shoulders above anyone we've had in 20 odd years and crucial to the culture he has created within the current group. The fact that players all get on, can speak to the media so well and dont feel the weight of the shirt is a really underestimated improvement he established, we cannot be successful without that. [Post edited 21 Jun 2021 9:53]
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Tactically he is a little dull or functional, call it what you will. On Friday the media were bemoaning the fact we had 4 points whilst celebrating the Welsh at the same time who also had 4 points. A win against Croatia was a good start and it was always likely to be an awful game against the Scots. It's early days and I'm not concerned at present. |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate on 09:57 - Jun 21 with 1701 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Gareth Southgate on 09:33 - Jun 21 by BiGDonnie |
He's out of his depth, plain and simple.
His selection has been worse than shocking. He's left put us/himself in a proper awkward situation now against Czech, needing a win and having no idea of his best 11.
Southgate Out. |
We don't need a win though.
Do we? |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:00 - Jun 21 with 1675 views | noggin |
BiGDonnie definitely isn't TWTD's best asset, is he? |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:04 - Jun 21 with 1666 views | SaigonTractor |
I just don't think there are many top level managers who want to manage international teams. While I don't think Southgate is a tactical genius, he does seem to understand how to handle the press and stop the players losing their heads. Which has been England's problem as long as I can remember.
The Scotland result was very disappointing, but apart from Italy there hasn't been a single team who has looked good every game they've played at this Euros. I think that's just the reality of tournament football. |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:05 - Jun 21 with 1654 views | BiGDonnie |
| Gareth Southgate on 09:44 - Jun 21 by Guthrum |
Hardly an awkward situation. England are almost certainly through to the knock-out stages even if we lose. A draw and we'll definitely be in the top two (bear in mind we've not conceded a single goal yet). |
Are you happy with what you've seen so far?
Apparently we're now a work in progress.
He's so far out of his depth tactically it's insane. | |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:06 - Jun 21 with 1630 views | fergalsharkey |
who would you have in charge then....harry i will do anything for a monkey redknapp? |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:10 - Jun 21 with 1609 views | chicoazul |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:05 - Jun 21 by BiGDonnie |
Are you happy with what you've seen so far?
Apparently we're now a work in progress.
He's so far out of his depth tactically it's insane. |
We played pretty well against Croatia. In hindsight the last half hour of the Scotland game was two teams who were both happy with the result standing off one another a bit. I don’t think Southgate is a genius and he is a bit defensive but I think he’s a decent manager for England. |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:11 - Jun 21 with 1601 views | BiGDonnie |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:06 - Jun 21 by fergalsharkey |
who would you have in charge then....harry i will do anything for a monkey redknapp? |
Arsene Wenger. | |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:13 - Jun 21 with 1583 views | HighgateBlue |
| Gareth Southgate on 09:51 - Jun 21 by Simonds92 |
In his 1 tournament so far he's reached the semi final. Also got us to the final of that Euro league thing. He's drawn one game and suddenly he's not good enough! (France drew with Hungary the other day, where was the outcry then?!). Head and shoulders above anyone we've had in 20 odd years and crucial to the culture he has created within the current group. The fact that players all get on, can speak to the media so well and dont feel the weight of the shirt is a really underestimated improvement he established, we cannot be successful without that. [Post edited 21 Jun 2021 9:53]
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You're absolutely right to object to knee jerk reactions. But also bear in mind that in the tournament where we got to the semifinals, our best results were beating Sweden and beating Colombia on penalties. We did nothing at all against the leading lights: we lost to Croatia, and we managed to lose to Belgium twice...
So it was very much a 'par' performance in terms of form. But obviously wonderful for the nation to reach the semis of a world cup for the first time since Sir Bobby... |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:14 - Jun 21 with 1576 views | Guthrum |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:05 - Jun 21 by BiGDonnie |
Are you happy with what you've seen so far?
Apparently we're now a work in progress.
He's so far out of his depth tactically it's insane. |
Happy? No, the Scotland game was awful and we weren't able to improvise a way break through. But at least the defence is solid. I very much doubt we could beat someone like the Italians, French or Germans without significant improvement (like either Kane sorting himself out or being replaced).
However, saying we're in a awkward position facing the Czechs is vastly over-egging the pudding. It would be a very odd set of results to see us not go through to the knock-out stages. And England are not going to change manager mid-tournament. | |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:15 - Jun 21 with 1572 views | Ftnfwest |
I think after years of different coaches who by and large picked the best 11 players, but crucially not the best team and formation, he tended to do that before and during the world cup. Looks sadly very much like he's lapsing back into the former approach now though and trying to cram everyone in (except grealish) in a formation that doesn't look like working. That said, Friday was what it was always going to be, a slugfest we fell for tactically. We have always moved the ball very slowly compared to other 'top' teams and the conditions made that even more apparent. You could see the surface water spray on a lot of the passes - something else we didn't adapt to. |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:18 - Jun 21 with 1544 views | hype313 |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:04 - Jun 21 by SaigonTractor |
I just don't think there are many top level managers who want to manage international teams. While I don't think Southgate is a tactical genius, he does seem to understand how to handle the press and stop the players losing their heads. Which has been England's problem as long as I can remember.
The Scotland result was very disappointing, but apart from Italy there hasn't been a single team who has looked good every game they've played at this Euros. I think that's just the reality of tournament football. |
I think this is the crux of the situation, top level managers see international jobs as retirement gigs so we are left with the level below, historically could you imagine a manager who had a 3 yr stint at Boro getting the national job? Look at what Sir Bob had to achieve and compare it with Southgate.
FWIW Southgate's advantage is he is an FA yes man, whilst having 2-3 world class players and an abundance of younger talent coming through, so he can be successful as a by product of the talent he has at his disposal. |  |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:26 - Jun 21 with 1502 views | Guthrum |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:04 - Jun 21 by SaigonTractor |
I just don't think there are many top level managers who want to manage international teams. While I don't think Southgate is a tactical genius, he does seem to understand how to handle the press and stop the players losing their heads. Which has been England's problem as long as I can remember.
The Scotland result was very disappointing, but apart from Italy there hasn't been a single team who has looked good every game they've played at this Euros. I think that's just the reality of tournament football. |
It's a part-time half-job, with no player development aspect, having to battle clubs to use their players, with a very slight chance of success (reaching perhaps the last four of a knock-out competition) only every couple of years and a very high likelihood of failure and even embarrassment (brollies, bungs).
Far better to stay in domestic league football, where finishing in the top half of the top tier and chasing a bit of silverware is usually considered good enough to keep the generous pay-packet rolling in and the fans happy. | |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:28 - Jun 21 with 1487 views | Bluefields |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:05 - Jun 21 by BiGDonnie |
Are you happy with what you've seen so far?
Apparently we're now a work in progress.
He's so far out of his depth tactically it's insane. |
Can you explain why you feel he is tactically out of his depth please? | | | |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:34 - Jun 21 with 1442 views | SaigonTractor |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:18 - Jun 21 by hype313 |
I think this is the crux of the situation, top level managers see international jobs as retirement gigs so we are left with the level below, historically could you imagine a manager who had a 3 yr stint at Boro getting the national job? Look at what Sir Bob had to achieve and compare it with Southgate.
FWIW Southgate's advantage is he is an FA yes man, whilst having 2-3 world class players and an abundance of younger talent coming through, so he can be successful as a by product of the talent he has at his disposal. |
Exactly. Looking at France I wouldn't say their manager is much better than Southgate, but France have such a quality team that you and I could probably manage to take them to the semis at least. | | | |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:37 - Jun 21 with 1422 views | Nazemariner |
Tactically he doesn't have a Scooby Doo.
Picks players because they play for big clubs, and insists on playing a formation because it's fashionable. |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:41 - Jun 21 with 1406 views | ChiefXL |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:37 - Jun 21 by Nazemariner |
Tactically he doesn't have a Scooby Doo.
Picks players because they play for big clubs, and insists on playing a formation because it's fashionable. |
Mings - Villa
Pickford - Everton
Phillips - Leeds
Rice - West Ham
Stop talking out of your arse |  | | |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:46 - Jun 21 with 1373 views | noggin |
One lacklustre game against a Scotland team that played very well on the day, and fans are calling for the manager's head. And we wonder why England never succeed at these tournaments. FFS. | |
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| Gareth Southgate on 10:48 - Jun 21 with 1360 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Gareth Southgate on 10:37 - Jun 21 by Nazemariner |
Tactically he doesn't have a Scooby Doo.
Picks players because they play for big clubs, and insists on playing a formation because it's fashionable. |
The players from big clubs bit is nonsense, I can’t remember the last England manager that picked more players from outside the big clubs
And for those he does pick, has it ever occurred to your that those players might play for big clubs for a reason? |  |
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