| Boris Johnson and the Russians 13:34 - Nov 19 with 1402 views | itfcjoe |
From Twitter feed of Carole Cadwalladr
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/17/boris-johnson-met-alexander-lebede
BREAKING: Boris Johnson flew to Italy without his security detail & met ex-kGB agent 2 days after NATO summit to discuss Russia sanctions.
Guardian reported previously how Johnson attended party at Evgeny Lebedev’s Italian palazzo. This was him alone & looking like ‘he was about to be sick on tarmac’. Today we report that earlier that day Evgeny’s father, Alexander, an ex-KGB agent, flew in from Moscow to meet him
Here’s what @Billbrowder says about ex-KGB agents: ‘There’s no such thing as an ex-KGB agent.’ Alexander Lebedev retired as a Lieutenant Colonel from the London station. He lives in Moscow & runs businesses across Russia. To do so, he must be loyal to Putin, says Browder
This is where Boris Johnson was that Friday. At NATO summit on Russia’s ‘reckless & destabilising’ activity, as foreign secretary in midst of Skripal crisis. Incredibly, he then slipped his security detail & flew to Russian’s house to meet ex-KGB agent. This man is now our PM
The recklessness of this is off the charts. Russia had just deployed a banned chemical weapon on Britain’s streets. A woman would later die. Britain responded by expelling 23 Russian spies. Boris Johnson was foreign secretary. Dealing with this was *literally* his job.
Alexander Lebedev had been in Russia-occupied Crimea earlier that week according to his Instagram. He has repeatedly defended Russia’s illegal annexation of the territory & runs businesses there. When @lukeharding1968 asked him if was with Johnson that weekend, he denied it.
|  |
| |  |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 13:53 - Nov 19 with 1342 views | StokieBlue |
Need more facts but at best very clumsy from a particularly talentless individual. Hopefully he will be held to account for any wrongdoing far better than Trump has been.
"Russia had just deployed a banned chemical weapon on Britain’s streets."
There are a number of posters on here who don't believe Russia even did that.
SB |  |
| Avatar - M51 - The Whirlpool Galaxy - Taken on 29th April 2024 |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:01 - Nov 19 with 1304 views | itfcjoe |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 13:53 - Nov 19 by StokieBlue |
Need more facts but at best very clumsy from a particularly talentless individual. Hopefully he will be held to account for any wrongdoing far better than Trump has been.
"Russia had just deployed a banned chemical weapon on Britain’s streets."
There are a number of posters on here who don't believe Russia even did that.
SB |
It seems that Trump and Johnson are cut from the same cloth, and very easy for the Russians to get one over on - just put some beautiful women in front of them at a party.
The release of the Russia investigation being quashed until after the election is just mind-blowing. | |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:28 - Nov 19 with 1240 views | Kievthegreat |
Slightly tangential, but Aaron Banks Twitter has been hacked and it appears Carole Cadwalladr has been sent his DMs. IF (and it's a big if) they get published, could be massive!
|  | | |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:31 - Nov 19 with 1230 views | itfcjoe |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:28 - Nov 19 by Kievthegreat |
Slightly tangential, but Aaron Banks Twitter has been hacked and it appears Carole Cadwalladr has been sent his DMs. IF (and it's a big if) they get published, could be massive!
|
A few are being leaked across Twitter - Dominic Raab, Dan Hodges, Pritti Patel, Iain Dale, Julia Hartley-Brewer from a quick look | |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:33 - Nov 19 with 1210 views | BackToRussia |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:01 - Nov 19 by itfcjoe |
It seems that Trump and Johnson are cut from the same cloth, and very easy for the Russians to get one over on - just put some beautiful women in front of them at a party.
The release of the Russia investigation being quashed until after the election is just mind-blowing. |
We don't really live in a democracy. Not a very good one anyway. |  |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:35 - Nov 19 with 1213 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:28 - Nov 19 by Kievthegreat |
Slightly tangential, but Aaron Banks Twitter has been hacked and it appears Carole Cadwalladr has been sent his DMs. IF (and it's a big if) they get published, could be massive!
|
Wow. That could be fun.
Bid you see Toby Young apparently got outed as the owner of basically a racist troll account on Twitter yesterday? All very circumstantial stuff, but amusing nonetheless. |  |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:37 - Nov 19 with 1196 views | Kievthegreat |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:31 - Nov 19 by itfcjoe |
A few are being leaked across Twitter - Dominic Raab, Dan Hodges, Pritti Patel, Iain Dale, Julia Hartley-Brewer from a quick look |
Assuming it's all true data, it could be a moment to grab some popcorn. Especially as several Tory MPs being implicated in courting (or being courted) by Banks. | | | |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:42 - Nov 19 with 1179 views | Steve_M |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:37 - Nov 19 by Kievthegreat |
Assuming it's all true data, it could be a moment to grab some popcorn. Especially as several Tory MPs being implicated in courting (or being courted) by Banks. |
The immediate sense is that people are sharing any old sh1t and claiming it is from Banks. THat muddies things and makes any really interesting stuff have a lower impact.
Given Wigmore's Twitter behaviour - issuing threats all over the place - it does look like a real leak. Kind of ironic that Banks and Wigmore are getting upset about stolen data though. |  |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:47 - Nov 19 with 1161 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:33 - Nov 19 by BackToRussia |
We don't really live in a democracy. Not a very good one anyway. |
As highlighted quite neatly by Peter Oborne yesterday - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/boris-johnson-lying-media
(For those who've already lost the argument, yes I know it's in the Guardian, but Oborne has been a lifelong Tory).
Getting off the Russians for a minute (which we should do really, the heat needs to be kept on that Russian interference report), but this analysis of the election coverage in the media was interesting. No wonder the Tories are ahead in the polls. PM receiving the most media coverage and boy is the media skewed towards positive stories aroud the Tories and negative snears towards labour. You can't have an effective democracy when people are being fed lies and misleading information.
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/general-election/report-1/#section-5 | |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:48 - Nov 19 with 1147 views | giant_stow |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:42 - Nov 19 by Steve_M |
The immediate sense is that people are sharing any old sh1t and claiming it is from Banks. THat muddies things and makes any really interesting stuff have a lower impact.
Given Wigmore's Twitter behaviour - issuing threats all over the place - it does look like a real leak. Kind of ironic that Banks and Wigmore are getting upset about stolen data though. |
Northern monkeys everywhere are alreadsy up in arms. |  |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:52 - Nov 19 with 1120 views | BackToRussia |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:47 - Nov 19 by Swansea_Blue |
As highlighted quite neatly by Peter Oborne yesterday - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/boris-johnson-lying-media
(For those who've already lost the argument, yes I know it's in the Guardian, but Oborne has been a lifelong Tory).
Getting off the Russians for a minute (which we should do really, the heat needs to be kept on that Russian interference report), but this analysis of the election coverage in the media was interesting. No wonder the Tories are ahead in the polls. PM receiving the most media coverage and boy is the media skewed towards positive stories aroud the Tories and negative snears towards labour. You can't have an effective democracy when people are being fed lies and misleading information.
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/general-election/report-1/#section-5 |
It helps when you're fighting an election to be mates with the top news editors of a country's media. That's where Corbyns going wrong. | |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:55 - Nov 19 with 1111 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:31 - Nov 19 by itfcjoe |
A few are being leaked across Twitter - Dominic Raab, Dan Hodges, Pritti Patel, Iain Dale, Julia Hartley-Brewer from a quick look |
On top of Oborne and others' recent criticism of the No10 sources as client journalism, exposing the cosy collusion between so-called independent journalists and politicians on the wider scale will be a massive boost for democracy.
The UK has got the least trusted media in the West for a reason — and arguably the least trusted and most incompetent politicians too as a direct result of that. |  |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:58 - Nov 19 with 1097 views | Steve_M |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:47 - Nov 19 by Swansea_Blue |
As highlighted quite neatly by Peter Oborne yesterday - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/boris-johnson-lying-media
(For those who've already lost the argument, yes I know it's in the Guardian, but Oborne has been a lifelong Tory).
Getting off the Russians for a minute (which we should do really, the heat needs to be kept on that Russian interference report), but this analysis of the election coverage in the media was interesting. No wonder the Tories are ahead in the polls. PM receiving the most media coverage and boy is the media skewed towards positive stories aroud the Tories and negative snears towards labour. You can't have an effective democracy when people are being fed lies and misleading information.
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/general-election/report-1/#section-5 |
I agree with a lot of what Oborne writes here about UK political coverage but he has some large blind spots when it comes to Russia and Syria himself. | |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 15:06 - Nov 19 with 1058 views | Darth_Koont |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:47 - Nov 19 by Swansea_Blue |
As highlighted quite neatly by Peter Oborne yesterday - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/boris-johnson-lying-media
(For those who've already lost the argument, yes I know it's in the Guardian, but Oborne has been a lifelong Tory).
Getting off the Russians for a minute (which we should do really, the heat needs to be kept on that Russian interference report), but this analysis of the election coverage in the media was interesting. No wonder the Tories are ahead in the polls. PM receiving the most media coverage and boy is the media skewed towards positive stories aroud the Tories and negative snears towards labour. You can't have an effective democracy when people are being fed lies and misleading information.
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/general-election/report-1/#section-5 |
You can extend that over the past 5 years too. Apparently the defence is that the media are just reporting what other people have said that is negative ... but that's not the same thing as just uncritically repeating it, surely!??
We have a media where even the supposedly balanced centre of the BBC and Guardian is not really fit for purpose in the modern information age. Despite the efforts of a few journalists like Callawadr and Oborne who still ask the tough questions and care about the answers. | |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 15:08 - Nov 19 with 1054 views | Illinoisblue |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 14:35 - Nov 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Wow. That could be fun.
Bid you see Toby Young apparently got outed as the owner of basically a racist troll account on Twitter yesterday? All very circumstantial stuff, but amusing nonetheless. |
twitter will get all in a tizz and people will nudge nudge and suggest very important things are going to be revealed. And then they won't and Boris will win the election. Then Trump will get reelected. And on we go. Sigh. |  |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 15:13 - Nov 19 with 1034 views | Bluesquid |
So this ex KGB agent is loyal to Putin is he?
Funny way to show his loyalty.
"Lebedev, together with the former President of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, is the owner of 49% of Novaya Gazeta, one of the most vocal newspapers critical of the current Russian Government." [Post edited 19 Nov 2019 15:21]
|  | | |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 15:24 - Nov 19 with 994 views | StokieBlue |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 15:13 - Nov 19 by Bluesquid |
So this ex KGB agent is loyal to Putin is he?
Funny way to show his loyalty.
"Lebedev, together with the former President of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, is the owner of 49% of Novaya Gazeta, one of the most vocal newspapers critical of the current Russian Government." [Post edited 19 Nov 2019 15:21]
|
Where did you get the numbers from? Wiki says it's a much lower %:
"As Editor-in-Chief Dmitriy Muratov said in an interview, that was published on YouTube by Novaya Gazeta on 28 January 2017,[27] Newspaper's organisation had 76% of shares, Alexander Lebedev owned 14% of shares, Mikhail Gorbachev had 10%."
It also shows a circulation of less then 200,000 so pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. You are right though, two of it's reporters have been killed and it's pretty vocal against Putin.
SB | |
| Avatar - M51 - The Whirlpool Galaxy - Taken on 29th April 2024 |
| |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 15:37 - Nov 19 with 957 views | Bluesquid |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 15:24 - Nov 19 by StokieBlue |
Where did you get the numbers from? Wiki says it's a much lower %:
"As Editor-in-Chief Dmitriy Muratov said in an interview, that was published on YouTube by Novaya Gazeta on 28 January 2017,[27] Newspaper's organisation had 76% of shares, Alexander Lebedev owned 14% of shares, Mikhail Gorbachev had 10%."
It also shows a circulation of less then 200,000 so pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. You are right though, two of it's reporters have been killed and it's pretty vocal against Putin.
SB |
Wiki - Alexander Lebedev.
Also a journo and an editor at that paper that he owns were threatened and according to wiki the style of the attack resembled others linked to a Russian businessman with ties to the Kremlin and Putin.
What a strange way perhaps then for the Kremlin to behave towards newspaper staff employed by someone that according to Bill Browder is loyal to Putin!
He is en ex KGB agent who is critical of Putin. [Post edited 19 Nov 2019 16:28]
| | | |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 16:12 - Nov 19 with 896 views | StokieBlue |
| Boris Johnson and the Russians on 15:37 - Nov 19 by Bluesquid |
Wiki - Alexander Lebedev.
Also a journo and an editor at that paper that he owns were threatened and according to wiki the style of the attack resembled others linked to a Russian businessman with ties to the Kremlin and Putin.
What a strange way perhaps then for the Kremlin to behave towards newspaper staff employed by someone that according to Bill Browder is loyal to Putin!
He is en ex KGB agent who is critical of Putin. [Post edited 19 Nov 2019 16:28]
|
Fair enough - poor that Wiki is internally inconsistent.
SB | |
| Avatar - M51 - The Whirlpool Galaxy - Taken on 29th April 2024 |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
